"Controversy Erupts Pakistani Prime Minister Tweets Despite Nationwide Ban on X"

[nahtanbob]

I don't know how the CPEC plan is expressed in Pakistan, but in Chinese, Gwadar's goal is a special economic zone.

In the CPEC plan, Gwadar is ultimately positioned as a special economic zone similar to Shenzhen, China.

Shenzhen is nominally under the jurisdiction of Guangdong Province, but in fact it is directly under the jurisdiction of the central government, and it has a very large right of economic autonomy. In the early days of Shenzhen's development, Chinese were severely restricted from entering the area, requiring a special document to enter, until this restriction was lifted in recent years.

It is precisely because of many special policy supports that Shenzhen can develop rapidly. Now, Shenzhen is driving the economic development of the entire Guangdong Province, making Guangdong the richest region in China. There are a lot of Chinese companies you know (Huawei, DJI, Tencent, BYD, SF Express........... ), all developed in this environment.

This model is not suitable for the development of a traditional commercial city like Karachi, it can only be Gwadar. ----------- the high cost of demolition and redevelopment in traditional business districts

CPEC plans to build Gwadar City into a highly developed area through the construction of the Gwadar Special Economic Zone first, and then drive the economic development of the surrounding areas through its influence.

I think that judging from the scale of Chinese investment in Gwadar, this plan should have been proposed by the Pakistani government at the beginning.

The Chinese government is well aware of the difficulty of building the Gwadar Special Economic Zone. China has sufficient financial resources and capacity-building, but the Pakistani government does not have the capacity to formulate and manage the policies required for such planning. The Chinese Government has also consistently insisted on non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries.

This is probably how Gwadar's embarrassment today came about.

Do you know the population and literacy rate of Gwadar and the surrounding areas ?

 

[Cash gk]

CPEC was inherently a failed project from the get-go.

I don’t know if you brought ideas from Bajwa or Asim Munir Nawaz Shief's head … two people failed Bajwa and Nawaz Sharif. Nawaz paid the price being living illegally in the UK. for getting Indian support to get into Pakistan.CPEC was the cost. UK and USA will not allow their Pakistani slaves to allow China easy access to Pakistan. American and Indian proxies in Pakistan will make sure cpec do not reach its top and get fail. Since Dubai will get direct Competition from Gwadar Port. We all know how strong Arab proxies are in Pakistan. They are the reason that Pakistan has this all unrest . If Pakistan surrender port city everything will be okay they may stop funding infighting in Pakistan but Pakistan has to fight for its sovereignty

 

[Cash gk]

If China is serious about the Gwadar Port then they have to give Shut Up call to United Arab Emirates

 

[Cash gk]

In my view, we need around 8 heads to be hanged if Pakistan wants to survive. Nawaz Sharif asim munier zardari unjam bajwa maryam Shahbaz qazi. This is the price Pakistan must pay if they want to come out of traitor nation . This is the price if we want to make cpec successful

 

[Cash gk]

Do you know the population and literacy rate of Gwadar and the surrounding areas

You know what was United Arab Emirates population went Dubai port started

 

[Michael]

If China is serious about the Gwadar Port then they have to give Shut Up call to United Arab Emirates

You don't seem to be figuring out the relationship between priorities and priorities.

CPEC is a cooperation program between China and Pakistan. China does want to open up this corridor to reduce the cost of transportation from China to the Middle East and Europe, and at the same time help Pakistan's economic development. But China is more than that.

So, is CPEC more important to China or Pakistan? Will the termination of CPEC have a greater impact on China or Pakistan?

The issue of Gwadar port is a complex political issue that we cannot discuss. China can afford to buy the right to operate the Gwadar port; But can Pakistan afford to lose this opportunity for economic development? You should go and ask your government officials. And not for China to call the U.A.E..

 

[Quwa]

I want to refer you to this report from the World Bank in 2021. Several points were made in this report:

- $ 3 billion to expand Karachi & possibly even Port Qasim, creating a deeper channel and expanding the berth(s) at both ports. There would have been no need for a multi-billion dollar new port.

- $ 300-400 million to expand the road and rail network and connect it to the national highway system.

- Bring in outside investors to expand the capacity handling capability of Karachi and Qasim Ports.

The other main issue I mentioned before is that Gwadar has no strong population base and no incentive for anyone to move there.

Karachi is the economy's center of gravity, and whether you hate it or love it, it will remain so for the foreseeable future. It can't be replaced with a port in the middle of nowhere, which is why the port failed to attract any traffic, along with a poor road network.

At most, Gwadar should have just been a Naval Base of the Pakistan Navy.

Hence, why I said, my contacts said there was no economic or technical scope done, and China's blind trust got them stuck in this failed project.

https://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/568641635829707091/pdf/Pakistan-Karachi-Ports-Supply-and-Demand-Assessment.pdf

It's a long-shot, but hear me out...

I think Gwadar can make a good home for the bulk of the defence industry initiatives, like:

• Aviation City/NASTP
• Naval shipyard
• Expansion of POF
• etc

The strategic value of moving these sites to Gwadar includes pulling them farther back from the Indian border, bringing the producers closer to the firing ranges (e.g., Sonmiani), and having more space to expand various production sites.

In fact, it's not even an issue of moving anything, but expanding the industry into Gwadar.

For example, a new naval shipyard will help take the burden from KSEW and, potentially, lead KSEW to focus more on civilian ships (like merchant vessels).

A second POF could be set up in Gwadar so that we have more than one ammunition factory. Or set up a division focused on guided rockets, cruise missiles, glide bombs, and other guided munitions.

Likewise, you expand PAC whereby Gwadar takes on UAV, UCAV, loitering munition, etc., work. Or maybe a satellite production program.

Once you actually insert some industry in Gwadar, the population and commercial activity will take root. It won't be nearly as much as Karachi, but it wouldn't be a ghost town either.

In fact, with the right planning, you could nurture a high-tech cluster centered around defence. Set up STEM schools and labs, encourage the local youth into an education funnel from early age, and see from there, basically.

We'd probably expect a naval base, air base, and an army facility there as well. The result would be that the armed forces set up a presence in that region, expanding their reach further west.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Indeed, very cringe tweet, spl given that Pakistan isn't really onboard any of the UAE's big plans. A diplomacy fail, unless the good King/Emir is a Trump type personality who likes a good ego massage.

 

[nahtanbob]

You know what was United Arab Emirates population went Dubai port started

Dubai has petrodollars. What does Gwadar have ?

 

[Sharma Ji]

Dubai has petrodollars. What does Gwadar have ?

@r3alist

@vsdoc @Lulldapull @r3alist

 

[r3alist]

Cannot see

 

[Cash gk]

You don't seem to be figuring out the relationship between priorities and priorities.

CPEC is a cooperation program between China and Pakistan. China does want to open up this corridor to reduce the cost of transportation from China to the Middle East and Europe, and at the same time help Pakistan's economic development. But China is more than that.

So, is CPEC more important to China or Pakistan? Will the termination of CPEC have a greater impact on China or Pakistan?

The issue of Gwadar port is a complex political issue that we cannot discuss. China can afford to buy the right to operate the Gwadar port; But can Pakistan afford to lose this opportunity for economic development? You should go and ask your government officials. And not for China to call the U.A.E..

You don't seem to be figuring out the relationship between priorities and priorities.

CPEC is a cooperation program between China and Pakistan. China does want to open up this corridor to reduce the cost of transportation from China to the Middle East and Europe, and at the same time help Pakistan's economic development. But China is more than that.

So, is CPEC more important to China or Pakistan? Will the termination of CPEC have a greater impact on China or Pakistan?

The issue of Gwadar port is a complex political issue that we cannot discuss. China can afford to buy the right to operate the Gwadar port; But can Pakistan afford to lose this opportunity for economic development? You should go and ask your government officials. And not for China to call the U.A.E..

I agree The relationship between the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Pakistan is complicated, i saw some reports suggesting that the UAE India and USA might be funding groups within Pakistan to disrupt the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). This is a serious concern for China, as CPEC is crucial for connecting its less-developed western provinces to global markets.

India, on the other hand, benefits from shorter trade routes via the Indian Ocean and enjoys strong support from global powers like the USA and Europe. This support could give India a competitive advantage in international markets, particularly since China faces longer and potentially more vulnerable trade routes. China’s less developed western provinces rely heavily on CPEC to access global markets, making this corridor more critical for China than for Pakistan.

CPEC is vital for China as it provides an alternative route to the South China Sea, where Chinese goods face competition from Indian products due to India’s geographic advantage. Pakistan’s policymakers, however, seem to be influenced by American, Western, and Indian interests, which might undermine CPEC’s success. The removal of Imran Khan, who was perceived as a pro-China leader understands the west equally , may have weakened China’s position in Pakistan. By not recognizing the importance of Khan’s leadership in safeguarding its interests, China may have endangered its investments in CPEC.

CPEC is part of China’s broader Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) and is intended to provide China with direct access to the Arabian Sea, bypassing the volatile South China Sea and the Malacca Strait, key chokepoints controlled by powers like the USA. Meanwhile, India’s strategic alliances with the USA, Japan, and Australia through the Quad (Quadrilateral Security Dialogue) showcase a united front against China’s influence in the Indo-Pacific, strengthening India’s position with technological and military support that could counterbalance China’s economic power.

The US and European countries increasingly view India as a counterbalance to China in Asia. Recent partnerships in technology, defence, and trade between India and these Western powers illustrate how India is becoming a pivotal player in the region. In contrast, political instability in Pakistan, including the ouster of pro-China leaders like Imran Khan, might lead to policies less favourable to China, creating vulnerabilities for CPEC, especially if the current leadership is more aligned with the West or hostile to China’s influence.

By not intervening or supporting a pro-China leadership in Pakistan, China may have inadvertently weakened its strategic position, potentially jeopardizing CPEC, a project crucial to China’s global trade ambitions. Disruption of CPEC could have significant consequences for China’s economic and strategic goals.

In this context, India, with the backing of the USA and Europe, appears to be in a stronger position geopolitically, with shorter trade routes and significant global support. China, meanwhile, faces challenges from longer, more complex trade routes and geopolitical tensions in Pakistan. To secure its position in the region, China needs to reassess its approach in Pakistan, ensuring stable, pro-China leadership to protect its investments and strategic interests. Without such reassessment, India and its allies could outmanoeuvre China in the global economic and geopolitical arena.

 

[KingQamaR]

Pakistan hasn't still gotten the basics right Without stable government whatever you do will not matter so unless we can separate our military from the governance it will continue to fail. and Gwadar port is your prime example wha happened . And If anyone but Pakistanis had this port it would have become a regional economic hub.

 

[Cash gk]

Dubai has petrodollars. What does Gwadar have ?

It has back up of 250 million population plus connectivity with a Chinese mainland via road than access to Central Asia. it has capacity of Asia’s largest and deepest sea port.

 

[Cash gk]

I don't know how the CPEC plan is expressed in Pakistan, but in Chinese, Gwadar's goal is a special economic zone.

In the CPEC plan, Gwadar is ultimately positioned as a special economic zone similar to Shenzhen, China.

Shenzhen is nominally under the jurisdiction of Guangdong Province, but in fact it is directly under the jurisdiction of the central government, and it has a very large right of economic autonomy. In the early days of Shenzhen's development, Chinese were severely restricted from entering the area, requiring a special document to enter, until this restriction was lifted in recent years.

It is precisely because of many special policy supports that Shenzhen can develop rapidly. Now, Shenzhen is driving the economic development of the entire Guangdong Province, making Guangdong the richest region in China. There are a lot of Chinese companies you know (Huawei, DJI, Tencent, BYD, SF Express........... ), all developed in this environment.

This model is not suitable for the development of a traditional commercial city like Karachi, it can only be Gwadar. ----------- the high cost of demolition and redevelopment in traditional business districts

CPEC plans to build Gwadar City into a highly developed area through the construction of the Gwadar Special Economic Zone first, and then drive the economic development of the surrounding areas through its influence.

I think that judging from the scale of Chinese investment in Gwadar, this plan should have been proposed by the Pakistani government at the beginning.

The Chinese government is well aware of the difficulty of building the Gwadar Special Economic Zone. China has sufficient financial resources and capacity-building, but the Pakistani government does not have the capacity to formulate and manage the policies required for such planning. The Chinese Government has also consistently insisted on non-interference in the internal affairs of other countries.

This is probably how Gwadar's embarrassment today came about.

China must help Pakistan on emergency basis to built skilled manpower. If they want to see this very port successful.