DeepSeek, China's AI model: News & Discussion

[SaadH]

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This is what happens when mediocre no talent zionists get to run tech big companies due to prototypical jewish/white priviledge instead of managing the family run jewelry/garment business which is more corresponding to their cognitive abilities than science and engineering fields.

 

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If China only knew his great strength, or if a Chinese Napoleon should show himself, how long would this giant submit to being led by little Europe" Napolean

This has always been the biggest fear of Western nations. Deep inside, they know that China has some of the fundamental characteristics of a great power:

Population
Unity
Right cultural values
Intellect and hard work

This is why Napoleon famously warned the British to leave China alone.

In the 1990s, American elites were quite confident that China was too far behind to rise as a global power. That’s why it was welcomed into the WTO.

But China defied every analysis and historical precedent:

Its GDP grew 18x in the last 25 years
Gained significant global diplomatic clout
Achieved technological independence in most areas
Avoided all sorts of pitfalls — financial crises, economic collapse, civil wars, environmental disasters, political chaos etc.

China beat the USA in the latter’s own game — capitalism, free trade, and competition.

Now the US wants to change the rules of the games to protect its imperialist and unipolar powers.

It’s too late. Nothing is 100% guaranteed in life.

 

[FHN]

henry kissinger said in the past two thousand years, there were only two hundred years when china wasn’t the most powerful nation. nobody would listen and all the coercion tactics only serve to speed up china’s development.

 

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[FHN]

a prosperous China would deprive the US of its global economic control as well as the ability to rewrite rules and to rob other countries.
For the US, it's a zero-sum game in which America's imperial empire mentality is projected onto China, and every other nation is subservient to America's national interests. This perspective essentially disregards the advantages of a collaborative and multipolar global order.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Trump says China's DeepSeek AI 'should be a wake-up call' for American tech companies​

DeepSeek's sudden popularity and praise for it shook tech markets in the United States on Monday.
Jan. 28, 2025, 9:22 AM GMT+8
By David Ingram

President Donald Trump said Monday that the sudden rise of the Chinese artificial intelligence app DeepSeek “should be a wake-up call” for America’s tech companies as the runaway popularity of yet another Chinese app presented new questions for the administration and congressional leaders.

Trump said he still expected U.S. tech companies to dominate artificial intelligence, but he acknowledged the challenge posed by DeepSeek, a low-cost AI assistant that rose to No. 1 on the Apple app store over the weekend.

“The release of DeepSeek AI from a Chinese company should be a wake-up call for our industries that we need to be laser focused on competing,” he said as he traveled in Florida.

DeepSeek is causing a panic within U.S. tech companies and in the stock market because it has performed well in tests compared with competing AI models from Meta and OpenAI, while it was developed at a much lower cost, according to the little-known Chinese startup behind it.

Trump said he considered the low-cost model to be “very much a positive development” for AI overall, because “instead of spending billions and billions, you’ll spend less, and you’ll come up with, hopefully, the same solution.”

DeepSeek is the latest in a series of Chinese apps to surge in popularity in the United States in recent weeks. Americans embraced the Chinese apps RedNote and Lemon8 as alternatives to TikTok when TikTok was on the verge of being banned temporarily in the United States for its own links to China.

TikTok went dark for less than a day and came back online for existing users after Trump delayed enforcement of a bipartisan law requiring either a new non-Chinese owner or a ban. TikTok, though, remains unavailable for new downloads from the Apple and Google app stores.

Security experts have expressed concern about TikTok and other apps with links to China, including from a privacy standpoint.

Last week, Trump signed an executive order undoing certain Biden administration rules about AI development that Trump said had held the industry back.

It wasn’t immediately clear, though, what new AI policies, if any, the Trump administration or Congress might pursue in response to DeepSeek’s rise.

Rep. John Moolenaar, R-Mich., the chair of the House Select Committee on China, said Monday he wanted the United States to act to slow down DeepSeek, going further than Trump did in his remarks.

“DeepSeek — a new AI model controlled by the Chinese Communist Party — openly erases the CCP’s history of atrocities and oppression,” he said, referring to reports that DeepSeek censors topics such as the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989.

“The U.S. cannot allow CCP models such as DeepSeek to risk our national security and leverage our technology to advance their AI ambitions. We must work to swiftly place stronger export controls on technologies critical to DeepSeek’s AI infrastructure,” he said.

DeepSeek’s developers say they created the app despite U.S. controls on the export of high-performing semiconductors, leading to a vigorous online debate Monday about how effective those controls have been and what their future should be.

Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., defended existing export controls related to advanced chip technology and said more regulation might be needed.

“While I think there’s more to learn about DeepSeek’s development activities, what’s in the public record reveals that the PRC continues [to] prioritize advancement in AI and that export control alone will not stymie their efforts,” he said, referring to China by the initials for its formal name, the People’s Republic of China.

“Claims that export controls have proved ineffectual, however, are misplaced: DeepSeek’s efforts still depended on advanced chips, and PRC hyperscalers’ efforts to build out worldwide cloud infrastructure for deployment of these models is still heavily impacted by U.S. controls,” he said.

House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., called DeepSeek “a serious threat” and said China had been a “terrible trading partner.”

“They abuse the system. They steal our intellectual property. They’re now trying to get a leg up on us on AI, as you’ve seen the last day or so,” he said. “It’s a serious threat to us and to our economy and our security in every way. So the president takes that seriously, and I think that he will deal with that [in an] appropriate manner.”

David Sacks, Trump’s White House AI and cryptocurrency czar, said on X that DeepSeek’s success “shows that the AI race will be very competitive.” He also said former President Joe Biden “hamstrung” American AI companies with a previous executive order on the subject.

“I’m confident in the U.S. but we can’t be complacent,” he wrote.

Trump says China's DeepSeek AI 'should be a wake-up call' for American tech companies

DeepSeek's sudden popularity and praise for it shook tech markets in the United States on Monday.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Musings]

Everytime somebody posts anything that the Chinese on PDF don't want to hear they just default to start screaming lies..lies..lies..lies..lies.lies..lies..lies.lies..lies..lies.

The person interviewed was the CEO who created DeepSeek!!
But they stick their fingers in their ears and still point at him and call him a liar just the same. Okay fine..Chinese are just liars...geez...just go with the PDF flow...

You mentioned liars - I merely pointed out you come from a nation where lies become truths. Nothing to do with China or PDF. Just factual. History confirms
What I say is correct so a case of pot calling the kettle black. Calm down and let’s not raise our blood pressure…….

 

[BHAN85]

The best minds in US go to hedge funds/private equity and wall street to figure out how to make money out of thin air...The US STEM jobs are then staffed by dime a dozen cyber coolies from shining India who made their bones by rote learning, copying and getting caste system DEI hiring benefits...

China invested 6 filthy millions dollars to prove USA AI power consumption lies.

Are the best minds of China working in that crappy 6 millions dollars company? I dont think so, just a tiny company but working INDEPENDENTLY from USA world of lies.

USA in tech industry is like Soviet Union but with better marketing and a lot more of lies. Google/Meta/Twitter/Apple/OpenAI are different names for same USA deep state controlled companies. De facto public state owned companies with the fake speech of entrepreneurship and free market.

By the other side European DumbfucksUnion shot themselves in the foot regulating AI before it existed European AI companies .

Western world big companies are a fcking comedy of lies.

 

[Dalit]

China's DeepSeek AI shakes industry and dents America's swagger
The speed at which the new Chinese AI app DeepSeek has shaken the technology industry, the markets and the bullish sense of American superiority in the field of artificial intelligence (AI) has been nothing short of stunning.

Venture capitalist Marc Andreessen may have said it best. "DeepSeek-R1 is AI's Sputnik moment," he posted to X on Sunday, referring to the satellite which kicked off the space race.

DeepSeek was the most downloaded free app on Apple's US App Store over the weekend. By Monday, the new AI chatbot had triggered a massive sell-off of major tech stocks which were in freefall as fears mounted over America's leadership in the sector.

Shares of AI chip designer and recent Wall Street darling Nvidia, for example, had plunged by 17% by the time US markets closed on Monday. Or to put it in even starker terms, it lost nearly $600bn in market value which, according to Bloomberg, is the biggest drop in the history of the US stock market.

This extraordinary, historic spooking can largely be attributed to something as simple as cost. And a claim by DeepSeek's developers which prompted serious questions in Silicon Valley.

While ChatGPT-maker OpenAI has been haemorrhaging money - spending $5bn last year alone - DeepSeek's developers say it built this latest model for a mere $5.6m.

That is a tiny fraction of the cost that AI giants like OpenAI, Google, and Anthropic have relied on to develop their own models.

DeepSeek AI shakes American swagger and upends assumptions

The app spooked the markets as well as the bullish sense of American superiority in AI development.

www.bbc.com

China's Sputnik moment...

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Dalit bro,

You and all my Pakistani friends seem very proud of the achievements of your taller than mountain friends! I am sure you could have been no prouder than what you are today had Deep Seek, Huawei or such other been Pakistani achievements.

Regards

 

[UKBengali]

@Dalit bro,

You and all my Pakistani friends seem very proud of the achievements of your taller than mountain friends! I am sure you could have been no prouder than what you are today had Deep Seek, Huawei or such other been Pakistani achievements.

Regards

Not proud but more gloating about US being shown for the fake “AI Leader” it claimed itself to be.

 

[Dalit]

@Dalit bro,

You and all my Pakistani friends seem very proud of the achievements of your taller than mountain friends! I am sure you could have been no prouder than what you are today had Deep Seek, Huawei or such other been Pakistani achievements.

Regards

Very satisfied. What about you Indians? Are you in a state of shock just like your anti-China partner USA?

 

[UKBengali]

The events of the past month has even overwhelmed my expectations. At this point, China is already by far the dominant tech power, it’s just thrashing around the US like a rag doll giving zero fucks.

These are not one offs but the result of a huge foundation China has crafted for decades. It has all the resources and momentum. It’s actually just the beginning of complete and unquestioned Chinese dominance.

This whole bunch of cr*p about US being attractive to "talents" was always nonsense as once you get above a certain population threshold like the billion+ with China, then it is all about your culture and system in order to give the opportunity to those rare geniuses to thrive.

China's system(education, cultural and governance) is on another level of efficiency compared to the US.

It is now in a race with itself for world technological dominance.

 

[iblini]