Dr. Shahiduzzaman: in order to change India’s habitual perception, our only answer as I feel is nuclearization.

[AjayGhatak]

So now you admit that was intentional even though your government denied the claim. Hasina is gone. Can’t stop China from building dams to counter India so don’t worry, flash flood card isn’t going to work in the future

Yeah it was and no there is nothing Bangladesh can be in coming 10-20 years to prevent it. You want to prevent it? Get nukes.

 

[Fallstuff]

You can certainly build conventional missiles, hypersonic will take sometime. Also if you buy from outside, it will be range limited to 300 KM. Still very useful.

That being said, India will only need 150 KM range rocket artillery to cover entire Bangladesh due to geography.

So economics of this kind of war favours INdia.

I wonder what will happen if couple of these projectiles end up in Pune or Chennai.

 

[AjayGhatak]

I wonder what will happen if couple of these projectiles end up in Pune or Chennai.

Uhhh.. Pune is much further than 300 KM and for coming 10 years even if you start now, you cannot make projectile with such ranges.

Besides, If India decides to go all out conventionally, there will be no bangladesh left.

 

[hyperman]

I’m not even talking about a second strike; Pakistan doesn’t even have the capability to launch a nuclear weapon against India.
That's why India maintains a policy of not using nuclear weapons against Pakistan—because India knows Pakistan lacks any credible nuclear deterrence against it.

you literally wrote

"There is no possibility of a second strike once Pakistan launches a nuclear missile against India." in response to a comment by me about Second strike, so don't gaslight. lol

You don't know what you are talking about. lol

Believe what you want to believe.

No first use doesn't means they refuse to use Nuclear weapons, but that they won't use it first, this isn't really anything new, its common among states that have an advantage in conventional means. A state which doesn't have a conventional advantage is one that explicitly lays out that it will use nuclear weapons first, and it defines red lines and thresholds for its use, and typically concentrated on building tactical battlefield nuclear weapons deployment. Its thresholds for use in its doctrine are far smaller than a state with a no first use policy. For example the Russian doctrine compared to the US.

 

[Al-Zakir]

Uhhh.. Pune is much further than 300 KM and for coming 10 years even if you start now, you cannot make projectile with such ranges.

Besides, If India decides to go all out conventionally, there will be no bangladesh left.

Key word is "IF" yaani Agar.

Who stop you? Tussle kar ke dekh le agar haiN himmat?

 

[AjayGhatak]

Key word is "IF" yaani Agar.

Who stop you? Tussle kar ke dekh le agar haiN himmat?

India just flooded Bangladesh with dam load of water and got zero response from Bangladesh. India regularly shoots Bangladeshi citizens trying sneak into India. For past 50 years or so Bangladesh was a total slave to India. Not to mention, India is right now cutting electricity supply to Bangladesh. I do not think any more "himmat" is needed on India's part. India also rejected Bangladesh's insistance of getting Hasina back.

Bangladesh has been absolutely helpless here. It does not have any weapon to hit India back. All those "missiles" are just fantasies and even those are inadequate.

 

[Al-Zakir]

India just flooded Bangladesh with dam load of water and got zero response from Bangladesh. India regularly shoots Bangladeshi citizens trying sneak into India. For past 50 years or so Bangladesh was a total slave to India. Not to mention, India is right now cutting electricity supply to Bangladesh. I do not think any more "himmat" is needed on India's part. India also rejected Bangladesh's insistance of getting Hasina back.

Bangladesh has been absolutely helpless here. It does not have any weapon to hit India back. All those "missiles" are just fantasies and even those are inadequate.

That's not himmat. That's called chalaki, begairati, farebi, makkari.

 

[AjayGhatak]

That's not himmat. That's called chalaki, begairati, farebi, makkari.

Whatever. There is no response from Bangladesh still. More correctly, they can not respond.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Yeah it was and no there is nothing Bangladesh can be in coming 10-20 years to prevent it. You want to prevent it? Get nukes.

We will see about that

 

[Michael Corleone]

I know about their yields which were of typical fission device and the fact that they only tested once. That is more than enough to tell which country will have more reliable and better tested weapon : Pakistan or North Korea.

Now tell me, when did you join Los Alamos?

They tested 5 devices on a single day. Just like India

I never joined los alamos but read plenty about it to know what’s right vs wrong

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

you literally wrote

"There is no possibility of a second strike once Pakistan launches a nuclear missile against India." in response to a comment by me about Second strike, so don't gaslight. lol

You don't know what you are talking about. lol

Believe what you want to believe.

No first use doesn't means they refuse to use Nuclear weapons, but that they won't use it first, this isn't really anything new, its common among states that have an advantage in conventional means. A state which doesn't have a conventional advantage is one that explicitly lays out that it will use nuclear weapons first, and it defines red lines and thresholds for its use, and typically concentrated on building tactical battlefield nuclear weapons deployment. Its thresholds for use in its doctrine are far smaller than a state with a no first use policy. For example the Russian doctrine compared to the US.

India has a policy of not using nuclear weapons against Pakistan, but follows a 'No First Use' policy with China. This is because Pakistan lacks the capability to launch a nuclear strike on India, whereas China does.
Pakistan's stated policy is to use nuclear weapons on its own territory if it is captured by India during a conflict. Their nuclear weapons are not intended for use directly against India.
Like Pakistan, Bangladesh could also acquire nuclear weapons, but this would not provide any nuclear deterrence against India. deterrence requires the capability to deliver nuclear weapons in a way that can penetrate India’s advanced air defense systems. Similarly, giving nuclear weapons to Hamas would not offer any deterrence against Israel, as their rockets cannot evade Israel’s Iron Dome or other air defense systems. Moreover, Israel would likely neutralize any nuclear installations controlled by Hamas.

 

[hyperman]

India has a policy of not using nuclear weapons against Pakistan, but follows a 'No First Use' policy with China. This is because Pakistan lacks the capability to launch a nuclear strike on India, whereas China does.
Pakistan's stated policy is to use nuclear weapons on its own territory if it is captured by India during a conflict. Their nuclear weapons are not intended for use directly against India.
Like Pakistan, Bangladesh could also acquire nuclear weapons, but this would not provide any nuclear deterrence against India. deterrence requires the capability to deliver nuclear weapons in a way that can penetrate India’s advanced air defense systems. Similarly, giving nuclear weapons to Hamas would not offer any deterrence against Israel, as their rockets cannot evade Israel’s Iron Dome or other air defense systems. Moreover, Israel would likely neutralize any nuclear installations controlled by Hamas.

you really have no idea what you are taking around.

Who told you India won't use Nuclear weapons against Pakistan? You think India won't respond if Pakistan launches all it nuclear weapons and emties its arsenal on India?

you got a source? lol complete nonsense, Even your own countrymen will point out this is BS.

Secondly, who told you that Pakistan's stated policy is to only use weapons on its own territory? that doesn't even make sense. But regardless of that, the mere fact that Pakistan is developing long range platforms from ballistic missiles to cruise missiles is a refutation of this nonsense.

Air Defenses are not absolute BTW, its not a magical thing, in terms of principle its always easier to build a bullet that penetrates a shield than an impenetrable shield. Its foolish to overestimate air defense especially with what we are witnessing in the current conflicts around the world.

and what does Hamas have to do with anything? there is no correlation. lol

anyways im done wasting time in this thread.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

you really have no idea what you are taking around.

Who told you India won't use Nuclear weapons against Pakistan? You think India won't respond if Pakistan launches all it nuclear weapons and emties its arsenal on India?

you got a source? lol complete nonsense, Even your own countrymen will point out this is BS.

Secondly, who told you that Pakistan's stated policy is to only use weapons on its own territory? that doesn't even make sense. But regardless of that, the mere fact that Pakistan is developing long range platforms from ballistic missiles to cruise missiles is a refutation of this nonsense.

Air Defenses are not absolute BTW, its not a magical thing, in terms of principle its always easier to build a bullet that penetrates a shield than an impenetrable shield. Its foolish to overestimate air defense especially with what we are witnessing in the current conflicts around the world.

and what does Hamas have to do with anything? there is no correlation. lol

anyways im done wasting time in this thread.

You must have watched too many Pakistani movies and media if you think Pakistan can launch a nuclear weapon against India. In reality, they don’t have the capability to do so.
Pakistan believes the most credible way to deter a conventional war against a nuclear India is to asymmetrically escalate a conflict by threatening first use of tactical nuclear weapons on advancing Indian forces once they cross the border into Pakistani soil

The Dangers of Pakistan’s Tactical Nuclear Weapons

Why Pakistan’s tactical nukes are inherently a threat to the country’s nuclear security.

thediplomat.com

What I find funny is that India has officially stated that it won’t allow Pakistan to use nuclear weapons on Pakistani territory. If Pakistan attempts to do so, India will intervene militarily in Pakistan. Lol
It's like if Pakistan tries to use nuclear weapons on Balochistan, India will neutralize the missiles and start bombing Pakistan's nuclear installations.