Egypt is considering the establishment of a factory for the production and assembly F-31/35

Not really? They are not developing that bird since years, testing it in several different iterations but all more or less the same size without a side bay and then suddenly a dramatically upscale one pops up with side bays for a 250kg bomb … how likely is this?
Admittingly it seems relatively unlikely but not totally farfetched either IMO

How many changes do they really have to implement on the airframe in order to incorporate side bays? Maybe the the potential enlargement need is not neccesary as big it seems. Just sayin. The engine will be incrementally improved too with every other batch.

Maybe the sidebays are a goal for a redesigned/upgraded version some years into the future
 
Admittingly it seems relatively unlikely but not totally farfetched either IMO

How many changes do they really have to implement on the airframe in order to incorporate side bays? Maybe the the potential enlargement need is not neccesary as big it seems. Just sayin. The engine will be incrementally improved too with every other batch.

Maybe the sidebays are a goal for a redesigned/upgraded version some years into the future
Plain and simple … to add side bays of a decent size you need to upscale the whole aircraft, add new engines and in the end you get a totally new type aka a fighter comparable in size to the J-20, which makes no sense in the same way, the CG in discussion makes no sense and IMO that was exactly the intention: To spread a fake imagery that is eagerly picked up my the fan boys in the social media and hides the true developments behind.
 
Hard to believe this discussion went on for 4 pages? This FC-31 is going to die a quiet death soon. Nobody is buying warplanes anymore folks.....lol.....just like nobody is buying Tanks or warships.......lol
 
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Hard to believe this discussion went on for 4 pages? This FC-31 is going to die a quiet death soon. Nobody is buying warplanes anymore folks.....lol.....just like nobody is buying Tanks or warships.......lol
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Time is what determines the truth of the matter. Opportunities are promising for the plane. Indeed, there is Pakistan that announced its fear of purchasing, and negotiations between Egypt and China two years ago. The global market is in need of it, and therefore its existence is more than denial of matters. The plane is built on the basis of the techniques of a previous successful project, the J-20 plane, of which several were produced. The project actually took off, so the project is real. The difference between years ago and the main thing is that there was no customer in 2019. China had offered Turkey to participate with it, and Turkey refused. Currently, there is more than negotiating for customers, so the topic that it is a project that will fail or die is outside logic and beyond credibility. A product is being developed and customers are negotiating. The purchase and the country that manufactured it succeeded in producing a fifth generation fighter denies allegations of the failure of the project. China itself needs a copy of it for aircraft carriers at least. All these factors prove that your words are hostile aspirations.

Some people do not understand the importance of such a project for multiple countries outside the system of Western and Russian monopolies. Acceptable specifications, even less, concealment compensated by the reliability of the plane, better than the F-35. The presence of the plane in the air like fourth-generation fighters is an advantage in the ability to carry out missions, even if the plane has a 4++ level of capability. It is equivalent to European fighters, which are twice the price, that is, simply a plane, and its presence is important to many countries. We previously explained that encouraging countries like China to produce fighters will give them the same results that happened to drones. When Chinese drones achieved international sales, he encouraged them to pump more investments, so he provided them with more money. The products and their international market expanded, so the people benefited from the presence of a banned product from America, making countries turn away from the American Predator aircraft and the MQ-9, simply because the Chinese alternative is available. We clearly see other advantages available to China, which are the ability of Chinese production to meet the needs of international customers, which is greater than European sources as a result of the shrinkage of the aviation industry. The European side, in addition to the concerns of the American production lines with F-35 fighters, makes any demands for them take years.
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China's advantage of being a sole supplier of aircraft components makes the export decision depend only on it and not on countries participating in the project
All of these factors make the option of contracting an aircraft from many countries advantages that are not available in other countries
 
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Instead of insulting me, you should refute what I say with evidence, instead of trying to misbehave with me.
Asking if you are a troll is not an insult. But you give, day after day, fake news, so....
 
F-16 & MIRAGE-2000 fighter fleet
The large number was 260 aircraft. Therefore, the replacement process cannot be for Egypt to be under European or American pressure. The process of embargoing weapons on Egypt from the Western side to limit its military capabilities cannot be accepted by Egypt.
A 260 fleet is not a small force !
What are the ennemies of Egypt to day? They are in peace with Israel, the events in Lybia are going down, the south neighbors are weak.
No need of dark stars for Egypt.
They have so many social threats to face.
 
A 260 fleet is not a small force !
What are the ennemies of Egypt to day? They are in peace with Israel, the events in Lybia are going down, the south neighbors are weak.
No need of dark stars for Egypt.
They have so many social threats to face.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
 
Is Egypt also still interested in J10-CE ? There was talk of possible purchase of J10-CE for sometime.
Yes..reports say both..
 
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Instead of posting long useless texts full of most speculative content but barely any credibly sources facts and mock any member who asks reasonable questions, you should ask yourself how realistic is this BS posted in the original post? Is this not more a wet-dream than a realistic option and is this report not more a typical sensational click-bait report for the local uninformed masses than reality?

Why are you assuming it is so unrealistic & BS? I'm just curious why you're automatically dismissing a Hebrew source (all things considered) seems a bit strange, especially how their open-source intelligence follows Egyptian military news like hawks and vultures lingering along the tree lines.

Of course no one knows exactly what details were discussed but I'm very curious why you're so dismissive of such a possibility ending up in lowly Egypt.

Honestly, no Chinese source mentioned this, that meeting with the fancy J-20 in the background was just a meeting for good will and nothing more and finally, China/AVIC and SAC will never ever allow a production line to be established in Egypt! That's pure nonsense.

Why is it such pure nonsense? I'm guessing you have some knowledge of the history of the J-6 & F-7B production lines established in Egypt back in the late 70s & 80s as well as a very respectable Egyptian/Chinese trade in warfare platforms that has even grown in recent years. So it makes me quite surprised why you would be so dismissive about such a possibility with such a history. Egypt was even reprimanded by the US for allowing a Chinese military delegation to take a rather "close look" at one of the EAF's F-16s back in the early 90s. That was a huge risk that Egypt took for certain reasons that are still unknown till today. Not sure why it's so unrealistic.
 
If Egypt, Pakistan, and China buy this aircraft in decent numbers…along with a couple other countries…the aircraft’s price per unit would end up being quite affordable for even developing countries just due to mass production.
Depends on what you mean by affordable......

It would be around 75-85 mil per airframe if China indeed have a go at it (If we go vis-a-vis Chinese Jet price compare to Western Jet).

Unless you are talking about export by thousand, the price won't actually drop that much.

Also, you are talking about post 2030 (They only have maybe 3 prototype) for them to get any meaningful number.
 

The #Égypte is reportedly finalizing an agreement with the #Chine for the acquisition of 5th generation FC-31 (J-31) stealth fighters, thereby strengthening its military capabilities with advanced technologies. Joint production and technology transfer agreements are also being considered.

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It is clear that some do not understand the importance of Egypt as a market for the FC-31 aircraft.

It is the gateway to the international export market for countries considered good markets.

China spent $2 billion on the project as a development and the Egyptian defense market achieves good profits for the aircraft. Even if Egypt requested 120 aircraft at a price of $75 million including the development cost, it will cover the development cost and achieve limited profits for China in addition to the Chinese market for the Chinese Navy.

Many countries consider that Egypt selects good weapons more than any other country and every weapon that Egypt selects achieves success in international markets. China exported 400 K-8E aircraft after Egypt contracted for them and even Egypt, which requested a large development package for the F-7, F-6 aircraft, after which China achieved good results in export markets.

Egypt obtained 150 F-7 aircraft previously and 90 F-6 models, some of which were delivered directly from China, in addition to another part that was part of the assembly of 120 F-7 aircraft exported from Egypt to Sudan and Iraq and the same thing 120 F-6 aircraft, 40 of which are for the Egyptian market and the rest for export. Egypt had requested a package of developments on these aircraft, which made the price of the Egyptian F-7 aircraft one million dollars, although the price of the Chinese export version is between 1-1.5 million dollars. The difference is the cost of development. The same thing. Egypt bought the K-8E aircraft for 3.5 million dollars, while the Chinese export version for the first batch was priced at 2.5 million dollars. The difference was the cost of 33 modifications to the Chinese aircraft to make it suitable for service in the Egyptian Air Force. Perhaps some Chinese do not understand why China offered Egypt to produce the L-15 aircraft for Egypt and produce it locally in 2010. Egypt refused because of its suffering in modifying the development of the K-8E aircraft, which required Egypt to resort to a European supplier to develop some components so that the aircraft would continue to serve in Egypt well and continuously.

While China did not succeed in exporting fighters in large numbers, it drove trivial numbers to the markets of Pakistan and Myanmar.

Establishing a local production line in Egypt will push Egypt to develop the aircraft We see it widely in 40 Egyptian air bases

That is, the terrifying thing is that China's interests met, and it refused to sell the plane to Egypt before when Egypt requested higher specifications for the J-10 plane
It only succeeded in exporting it to Pakistan

The large Egyptian demand for the plane provides China with economic feasibility, regardless of other projects such as South Korea and Turkey, as Egypt is a potential market for this plane

The spread of the Chinese plane will reduce the cost of its acquisition and provide China with more inclination towards sixth-generation fighters and establish itself as a supplier of fifth-generation fighters, so China will achieve the spread here

Egypt's purchases of Chinese weapons in the seventies are what opened the Gulf markets for purchases, an argument resulting from the presence of Egyptian military advisors in these countries, and they gave good evaluations of Chinese weapons

Egypt was an international gateway for transferring Western weapons technology to China over 50 years

Some do not understand what is happening in the world, China has turned into a factory for the world, not only because Europe and America import Chinese products, but also markets such as Egypt Brazil and Turkey for simple and low-tech Chinese products and even the Chinese car industry, when China opened factories through its partners in Brazil, Turkey and Egypt, Chery Chinese cars spread and money flowed into China and the same thing.

We explained a simpler example, which is drones, turning them into the largest global market and the largest real customer for China in drones outside China, which is Egypt, which made Chinese drones the most popular.

So the importance of the matter for China is marketing and a market, and also the success of BRICS, as the national exchange of currencies will encourage countries to buy without the need for the dollar, so BRICS will succeed at the expense of the Group of Seven, which will move to a weaker economic group and leave the arena to BRICS.

Buying the fighter will bring about the purchase of ammunition, missiles, modernization warehouses, reconnaissance warehouses and electronic warfare systems. Any purchases made over 40 years do not stop. You do not buy a plane, but after that you buy spare parts, development, reconstruction and ammunition are much more important than the price of the plane at the time of purchase.

The clearest example of this is the F-16 aircraft purchased by Egypt in 1981 at a price of $11 million per aircraft and in 1984 at a price of $25 million per aircraft. The F-16 development program now costs $30 million per aircraft, more than its purchase price. The cost of operating an F-16 fighter is $7 million annually, including spare parts and fuel.

In addition to Egypt's local production, it will simply mean that Egyptians will demand development, and thus they will claim the development cost for the Chinese side.

So some naive people and those who claim to know do not understand that the issue is very complex and very profitable for the Chinese side. Rather, it is a chance for China to get ahead of itself as a source for fifth-generation fighters that failed to penetrate the export in a real way because there is no major customer who has proven confidence in the modern Chinese fighters. Therefore, China must prove its success in exporting a major deal that opens the doors to international export. The matter will start with Egypt, then some Gulf countries and Arab countries such as Algeria, followed by countries from Central Asia and Africa. All of them will increase purchases after purchasing an air force known for its professionalism. And its ability to operate fighters efficiently always. An example of the success of the Rafale fighter was due to the Egyptian deal that opened the doors to the success of the plane. Some think that the latest technologies should not be provided to countries that want to buy weapons. Simply put, if you do not provide what the customer requests, you will not get markets or money, and you and your products will eventually fail because, simply put, the international market has competitors. Even Russia, which is subject to sanctions, secretly exports weapons and fighters and uses countries as a front for its exports. In addition, it has already succeeded in restoring its production capacity greater than before in 2022. Some consider it a relative advantage. The Russians’ distancing. The Chinese forget the factor of experience. The Russians filled their fighters with SU-35/57/34/30 models. Therefore, their return to the international market will make it difficult for them to market their fighters. Seizing the opportunity by China is beneficial for them. It is true that Egypt wants to replace a large fleet of F-16 fighters, but the Chinese offer will not be the only one. Simply put, the offer

It is true that Egypt wants to replace a large fleet of F-16 fighters, but the Chinese offer will not be the only one. Simply put, the South Korean offer is a strong competitor, even the RAFALE F5 aircraft. France will also try to provide incentives to Egypt, such as increasing local assembly rates and some advantages in exchange for increasing Egypt’s orders for it.

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It is clear that some do not understand the importance of Egypt as a market for the FC-31 aircraft.
Maybe.
But such an agrement inked the end of the US military weapons furniture. Are the Egyptian top brass ready for that ? Is the Chines weapons quality high enough to take that risk ?
my opinion is no. I think it is only bargaining to have something special from USA (F35 ???)
 
The importance of such news is the imminent production of the aircraft and also the gradual confidence of countries in the aircraft. There are no negotiations on a weapon that is not reliable.


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The importance of such news is the imminent production of the aircraft and also the gradual confidence of countries in the aircraft. There are no negotiations on a weapon that is not reliable.


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That's why that guy @Deino keeps laughing childloishly at your posts (don't worry he does that to a few of mine every once in a while I can remember 2 so far) and when I call him out on it, he ignores me because either he just doesn't feel like spending the time to argue a useless point or he just thinks someone like Pakistan will not be flying the FC-31 anytime soon just ask @MastanKhan that and he will tell you about the whole thread in the PAF thread where it's titled "Pakistan Air Force will so induct the FC-31" and our friend jumped ugly on all of them for even thinking of the possibility.

Now for me, what I know is the original FC-31 all black right here:

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Was the only image that ever came out and we thought that was the final design, it looked just like a mini-F-22 Raptor with the huge vertical stabilizers etc. and that would be it. But years went by and nothing happened until this bad Larry showed up and we were all like WTF!!!! WOW that looks friggin incredible! But some are saying this is the carrier/naval version. So we don't really know for sure, do we?

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Either way, what Deino has a problem with is that he thinks we're all going to be getting this great stealth aircraft next year if not sooner. Of course that'll never happen since there are at least 5 to 8 more years of not only more prototype construction, but mximum testing which also takes an additional 2 years at least! Then there is China's own production line which takes a fair amount of time to organize, set up and build and work out all the problems etc. and they start producing CHINA'S OWN aircraft first. How many will China need before it starts even thinking of an export version, let alone a ToT production line? 10 years? I would say AT LEAST. So is any of this is to happen, export to Pakistan if that's all it's interested in might happen in 8 years at the soonest from now and ToT assembly in Egypt if it does happen might take at least 10 years if not more.

I think it eveyone understands these basic concepts, the discussion would be much better IMO. The only problem I have with the crap coming from @Deino is that he thinks China would NEVER give Egypt any type of ToT or assembly at all, NEVER! Coming from him it's rather surprising and when I asked him, he didn't answer. Wonder why? Maybe he was unaware of the extensive relationship Egypt has with the great people of China.
 

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