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[Leviathan]

Rafale or not..The neutralization of the Awacs was not an option but rather a pivotal tactical necessity. Its high radar imprint (RCS) and its constant radiation makes it a attractive passive point for any advanced ESM system. What Pakistan - most likely - did is the implementation of a coordinated electronic chain that began to monitor the AWACS fingerprint passively, and pass its accurate coordinates (4D) immediately to EA, which led to the isolation of Indian fighters from the air command center.

Then the fighters lost their network cover, and became "blind" in a battlefield running in kilowatts and waves before the missiles. Pakistan took advantage of this moment and pushed advanced BVR platforms equipped with PL-15 missiles capable of killing out the opponent's combat awareness.

But the most important thing is that the PL-15 is nothing but the spearhead in an integrated series of capabilities: a passive long-range detection, advanced electronic support, penetration of communications signals, and perhaps even disturbing the spectrum set for Indian command systems.

Conclusion: Whoever controls the electromagnetic spectrum ... controls the sky. It appears that the Pakistanis were the ones who controled the "right wave at the right time".

You all keep rambling on about networks, systems, electronics—missing the damn point - The PL-15E! The PL-15E isn't just some random BVR missile. It the most advanced air-to-air missile on this planet at this moment! PAF build the system around it. It's at least 30 years ahead of anything Egypt's Air Force has in its inventory. Even the U.S. is scrambling to build the AIM-260 just to counter it.

https://aviationweek.com/defense/lockheed-quietly-developing-aim-260-counter-chinese-pl-15

On the night of May 7th, without the PL-15E, Pakistan’s F-16s, J-10CEs, and JF-17s would've needed to close to within 70 km just to exchange BVR shots—AIM-120Cs/SD-10s VS India’s Rafales MICA EMs and su30s R-77 . Now apply that same scenario to Egypt’s FA-50s, MiGs, and F-16s—with close to zero BVR capability—and the IAF wouldn’t just win, they’d beat the shit out of the Egypt’s Air Force.

Conclusion: First, get a jet that can actually fire the PL-15E! Without it, your air force—even with the system/link/electronics, it will still eat like a cake by PAF.

Not a good video but the best I can find.

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Here is the video explain much better how PL15E superlong range, ASEA seeker, INS + Beidou updates, Two-way datalink, dual-pulse works

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Qs5VzCEG6/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=dce69c5b0988b6ef6cf86798c788255e

 

[Sami_1]

It’s absolutely pathetic to see Egypt waste its next decade’s air force budget on this worthless junk. Not 24, not 36, but a hundred of them?! for real? ? There’s no doubt—this deal is stuffed with massive kickbacks for corrupt Egyptian officials. This so-called 'fighter' is a flying coffin, completely useless in modern air combat. If this plane participated in 5.7 air war, it’ll be nothing more than a target drone, obliterated at 150km away by a PL-15E before it even knows what hit it. What a disgrace!

This is the mentality of naive children who see things from the perspective of clashes with specific standards. First, in the field of war, a small battle does not always change permanent tactics. The Indians are not a measure of superiority, nor is the efficiency of their use of weapons a criterion for some to impose a point of view that may be close to stupidity, especially since he is ignorant of combat tactics and methods of employing weapons in battles. Therefore, making one user of a weapon the basis is a kind of strategic stupidity. On the contrary, what happened in the past days will make everyone change tactics, even by modernizing some weapons, not getting rid of them. The other stupidity is replacing one fighter plane with another, or one missile with another. Death does not mean that the J-10 is the best in all aspects or superior. Otherwise, the same thinking would have been applied to the MIG-21 and the results it achieved in the October War. Egypt should not have requested newer fighters. The same thing applies to the PL-15 missile. Its tactical superiority does not mean that it is continuous or permanent due to a single battle, especially since the Indians themselves are mediocre in performance. Rather, the entire missile fell on Indian territory. This will force everyone to work to neutralize it in any battle, due to a complete failure that reveals its full potential after analysis.

It is also foolish for some to think that the entry of fighters into service is not related to studies and requires a long time. Let us clarify matters further:

The Chinese offered Egypt J-10C fighters, what we call the 2025 production version, with additional developments in radar and electronic warfare systems, multiple weapons systems, and more modern ammunition than what was offered to Pakistan in the 2021 deal, which began receiving deliveries in 2022. Even the higher price of $65 million instead of $50 million does not mean that these matters are being studied. We would also have welcomed the deal on Chinese fighters as a means of putting pressure on other international suppliers, as well as providing fighters in quantity and quality, as compared to other fighters.

Accepting that the Chinese product is better than the Western one is a kind of foolishness. Things do not change with the result of a single engagement, especially since the Pakistanis, in the last war, did not want to enter into a large, comprehensive war due to their weakness and inability to continue. In the Lord for a long time, and also their work with a policy of limited reaction due to their limited capabilities. Even Chinese support related to 100 PL-15 missiles, in addition to the PL-15E missiles delivered to Pakistan previously, demonstrates that China provided limited support during the fighting. Even international support to Pakistan was not significant. In exchange for 70 C-17 transport aircraft, Turkey and China provided limited arms shipments, demonstrating that China's support capabilities during the war did not match those provided by the West. This is another weakness.
Chinese products have always been linked to quality and short lifespan. For example, the lifespan of the Chinese J-7 fighters was no more than 25 years. In fact, the Egyptians preferred the old Russian MIG-21 due to its reliability, despite Egypt requesting major modifications from China to the F-7, which made the aircraft's price at the time $3 million, instead of the $1 million it was sold to Iran for at the time. We have experience with Chinese fighters and also with the K-8E trainer aircraft. Despite the many modifications Egypt implemented, Egypt was forced to seek European assistance to develop it due to the modest Chinese capabilities. And saving its project in Egypt always makes us skeptical and we demand Western standards for the quality levels of Eastern fighters, whether Chinese or Russian. All of this is inappropriate due to the clash and tactics and the Indians’ inability to effectively link their complete air systems, which makes some children destroy air weapons and excellent fighters just to promote some junk from entering service by Chinese standards. The short lifespan of Chinese fighters is always parallel to their low price. Any product, the market determines its fair value, and not only because the manufacturing cost is low and production is widespread. We will give a very simple example: Chinese cars are still of low quality despite the widespread European touches in them and even the sustainability of European platforms for the Chinese car industry. We also have old experiences with the CHL-906 ELINT-A/ESM/EW/PR/ECM system, which entered service in Egypt in 2012, while it entered Algeria in 2021. Egypt found it built on civilian commercial systems and was modest. Therefore, Egypt introduced better Russian and German systems, then asked China to redevelop them into a joint program as a result of modest performance. Despite the Chinese commercial propaganda, what is being promoted as propaganda and the superiority of Chinese fighters cannot be taken seriously or credibly. This also explains why Egypt is requesting major modifications and developments on Chinese platforms because it needs that to be effectively acceptable for service and to confront hostile challenges and threats. Some consider the clashes between India and Pakistan as the standard, which is closer to naivety and stupidity to accept it.

 

[Sami_1]

You all keep rambling on about networks, systems, electronics—missing the damn point - The PL-15E! The PL-15E isn't just some random BVR missile. It the most advanced air-to-air missile on this planet at this moment! PAF build the system around it. It's at least 30 years ahead of anything Egypt's Air Force has in its inventory. Even the U.S. is scrambling to build the AIM-260 just to counter it.

https://aviationweek.com/defense/lockheed-quietly-developing-aim-260-counter-chinese-pl-15

On the night of May 7th, without the PL-15E, Pakistan’s F-16s, J-10CEs, and JF-17s would've needed to close to within 70 km just to exchange BVR shots—AIM-120Cs/SD-10s VS India’s Rafales MICA EMs and su30s R-77 . Now apply that same scenario to Egypt’s FA-50s, MiGs, and F-16s—with close to zero BVR capability—and the IAF wouldn’t just win, they’d beat the shit out of the Egypt’s Air Force.

Conclusion: First, get a jet that can actually fire the PL-15E! Without it, your air force—even with the system/link/electronics, it will still eat like a cake by PAF.

Not a good video but the best I can find.

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https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Qs5VzCEG6/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=dce69c5b0988b6ef6cf86798c788255e

Analyses are always related to the availability of information, and thus stupidity still prevails among some. Over the past ten years, Egypt has introduced BVR missiles, not zero. Egypt even requested the manufacture of the PL-15 missile in 2022. Indeed, Egypt linked the acquisition of the limited-performance JF-17 fighter jet to the local manufacture of the SD-10 missile in 2009, which is the reason the deal was not implemented at all. We still classify the JF-17 as a limited-performance aircraft. The fact that it is used only as a platform to carry the PL-15 missile and its reliance on AEW&C radars does not make the JF-17 fighters superior. The whole thing is a stroke of luck that may not happen again. Everyone will change their tactics. Some, just to justify their viewpoint, deny the presence of the METEOR and R-77 missiles in service. Egypt also rejected the American F-15 fighters and linked them to the request for the AIM-260 missile as part of the contract. This demonstrates the extent of Egypt's interest in justifying its own product or viewpoint. Therefore, his statement is also slander and an attempt This is just a disparagement, not an abstract fact, as some people try to suggest. For example, they ignore the fact that the Egyptians have not applied the same level of technology as the Pakistanis, or even Egypt, which has been using E-2C aircraft since 1987, before the Pakistanis and Turks dreamed of early warning aircraft and have been using them for the past ten years. The fact that Egypt is now seeking to replace them, given that they are scheduled to be retired in 2027, demonstrates that Egyptian plans are proceeding in an organized manner. The Chinese have a problem with the secrets of the PL-15 missile, which are currently being revealed and efforts are being made to neutralize them. Therefore, it has become necessary to work on radical developments.

 

[Sami_1]

Everyone fears that Chinese fighters will become like Chinese cars, with lots of accessories and lights, and after three years they will become scrap and will not continue. Egypt's previous experience with Chinese fighters made it stay away from them for 30 years. We have bad experience with the unfortunate Chinese F-6 fighters, whose unfortunate Chinese engines Egypt replaced with other engines because they were easily crashed during flight, which is the reason for their short life in service in Egypt, because Egypt put them in the right place at the time, in the scrap.

 

[Leviathan]

This is the mentality of naive children who see things from the perspective of clashes with specific standards. First, in the field of war, a small battle does not always change permanent tactics. The Indians are not a measure of superiority, nor is the efficiency of their use of weapons a criterion for some to impose a point of view that may be close to stupidity, especially since he is ignorant of combat tactics and methods of employing weapons in battles. Therefore, making one user of a weapon the basis is a kind of strategic stupidity. On the contrary, what happened in the past days will make everyone change tactics, even by modernizing some weapons, not getting rid of them. The other stupidity is replacing one fighter plane with another, or one missile with another. Death does not mean that the J-10 is the best in all aspects or superior. Otherwise, the same thinking would have been applied to the MIG-21 and the results it achieved in the October War. Egypt should not have requested newer fighters. The same thing applies to the PL-15 missile. Its tactical superiority does not mean that it is continuous or permanent due to a single battle, especially since the Indians themselves are mediocre in performance. Rather, the entire missile fell on Indian territory. This will force everyone to work to neutralize it in any battle, due to a complete failure that reveals its full potential after analysis.

It is also foolish for some to think that the entry of fighters into service is not related to studies and requires a long time. Let us clarify matters further:

The Chinese offered Egypt J-10C fighters, what we call the 2025 production version, with additional developments in radar and electronic warfare systems, multiple weapons systems, and more modern ammunition than what was offered to Pakistan in the 2021 deal, which began receiving deliveries in 2022. Even the higher price of $65 million instead of $50 million does not mean that these matters are being studied. We would also have welcomed the deal on Chinese fighters as a means of putting pressure on other international suppliers, as well as providing fighters in quantity and quality, as compared to other fighters.

Accepting that the Chinese product is better than the Western one is a kind of foolishness. Things do not change with the result of a single engagement, especially since the Pakistanis, in the last war, did not want to enter into a large, comprehensive war due to their weakness and inability to continue. In the Lord for a long time, and also their work with a policy of limited reaction due to their limited capabilities. Even Chinese support related to 100 PL-15 missiles, in addition to the PL-15E missiles delivered to Pakistan previously, demonstrates that China provided limited support during the fighting. Even international support to Pakistan was not significant. In exchange for 70 C-17 transport aircraft, Turkey and China provided limited arms shipments, demonstrating that China's support capabilities during the war did not match those provided by the West. This is another weakness.
Chinese products have always been linked to quality and short lifespan. For example, the lifespan of the Chinese J-7 fighters was no more than 25 years. In fact, the Egyptians preferred the old Russian MIG-21 due to its reliability, despite Egypt requesting major modifications from China to the F-7, which made the aircraft's price at the time $3 million, instead of the $1 million it was sold to Iran for at the time. We have experience with Chinese fighters and also with the K-8E trainer aircraft. Despite the many modifications Egypt implemented, Egypt was forced to seek European assistance to develop it due to the modest Chinese capabilities. And saving its project in Egypt always makes us skeptical and we demand Western standards for the quality levels of Eastern fighters, whether Chinese or Russian. All of this is inappropriate due to the clash and tactics and the Indians’ inability to effectively link their complete air systems, which makes some children destroy air weapons and excellent fighters just to promote some junk from entering service by Chinese standards. The short lifespan of Chinese fighters is always parallel to their low price. Any product, the market determines its fair value, and not only because the manufacturing cost is low and production is widespread. We will give a very simple example: Chinese cars are still of low quality despite the widespread European touches in them and even the sustainability of European platforms for the Chinese car industry. We also have old experiences with the CHL-906 ELINT-A/ESM/EW/PR/ECM system, which entered service in Egypt in 2012, while it entered Algeria in 2021. Egypt found it built on civilian commercial systems and was modest. Therefore, Egypt introduced better Russian and German systems, then asked China to redevelop them into a joint program as a result of modest performance. Despite the Chinese commercial propaganda, what is being promoted as propaganda and the superiority of Chinese fighters cannot be taken seriously or credibly. This also explains why Egypt is requesting major modifications and developments on Chinese platforms because it needs that to be effectively acceptable for service and to confront hostile challenges and threats. Some consider the clashes between India and Pakistan as the standard, which is closer to naivety and stupidity to accept it.

Why you like to write such long responses without proper paragraph breaks? It's really hard to read—especially the last part.

First of all, buying FA-50s—not 36, not 56, but 100! What kind of air force buys 100 FA-50s?
A. Country with a tiny budget and nearly no existing air power. they want to buy a number of FA-50s to train pilots and maybe drop a few bombs on terrorists in the forest at same time, since they cant afford anything more.
B. The air forces that want just a few high-performance trainers to complete their advanced pilot training programs.

So what is Egypt doing buying 100 of them? Is your enemy some ragtag group hiding in the forest? Or do you have such a massive air force that you actually need 100 advanced trainers? I don’t think so.

If your opposing force is even more powerful than the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), then FA-50s will just be expensive flying targets—burning your already tight budget.

“A small battle does not always change permanent tactics.”

Did you even look closely at the May 7th air fight? That wasn’t just another skirmish—it was the biggest air combat engagement since the 1982 Lebanon War (Bekaa Valley Air Battle). And this time, there was no unfair tech advantage. India used the most advanced European fighter available—the Rafale, which, by the way, Egypt just spent a fortune on.

India launched about 80 aircraft in a coordinated combat formation. Can Egypt’s air force even get 80 planes in the air at once today? You wish the Egyptian Air Force could do what the IAF pulled off that night.

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"Accepting that the Chinese product is better than the Western one is a kind of foolishness."

Yeah, sure. You’ll definitely crush the J-10CE + PL-15E combo with 100 F-35s + AIM-120D-3.

"Chinese cars are still of ·low quality despite the widespread European touches in them and even the sustainability of European platforms for the Chinese car industry."

I’m not sure what kind of Chinese cars you saw in Egypt that gave you that impression. But with Egypt’s current economy, I can say with 100% confidence that you will not seeing those chinese car models on the streets of China.

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[Leviathan]

Analyses are always related to the availability of information, and thus stupidity still prevails among some. Over the past ten years, Egypt has introduced BVR missiles, not zero. Egypt even requested the manufacture of the PL-15 missile in 2022. Indeed, Egypt linked the acquisition of the limited-performance JF-17 fighter jet to the local manufacture of the SD-10 missile in 2009, which is the reason the deal was not implemented at all. We still classify the JF-17 as a limited-performance aircraft. The fact that it is used only as a platform to carry the PL-15 missile and its reliance on AEW&C radars does not make the JF-17 fighters superior. The whole thing is a stroke of luck that may not happen again. Everyone will change their tactics. Some, just to justify their viewpoint, deny the presence of the METEOR and R-77 missiles in service. Egypt also rejected the American F-15 fighters and linked them to the request for the AIM-260 missile as part of the contract. This demonstrates the extent of Egypt's interest in justifying its own product or viewpoint. Therefore, his statement is also slander and an attempt This is just a disparagement, not an abstract fact, as some people try to suggest. For example, they ignore the fact that the Egyptians have not applied the same level of technology as the Pakistanis, or even Egypt, which has been using E-2C aircraft since 1987, before the Pakistanis and Turks dreamed of early warning aircraft and have been using them for the past ten years. The fact that Egypt is now seeking to replace them, given that they are scheduled to be retired in 2027, demonstrates that Egyptian plans are proceeding in an organized manner. The Chinese have a problem with the secrets of the PL-15 missile, which are currently being revealed and efforts are being made to neutralize them. Therefore, it has become necessary to work on radical developments.

Break it into paragraphs.
That's why we have paragraph breaks—to make things easier to read.

"Egypt even requested the manufacture of the PL-15 missile in 2022."
I keep read this kind claim at here...where the hell you get your source from?
Absolutely no way you're getting the production line for the PL-15E!
This is the latest and most advanced air-to-air missile out there. It's like asking NVIDIA not just for best AI graphics cards to build your own AI model—but for the entire card production line!

1. First, how the PL-15E is made is a top-classified secret—because it's even the lastest for Chinese air force. (PL-17 with 400+ range isn't even the same type of weapon which cant replace PL-15. Only PL-16 on the way for 6gen fighter, but nothing before 2030)
2. Second, just like with AI chips, you definitely can afford to buy the missile itself—but not the production line.
3. Third, even if you had the money and China somehow agreed to sell it to you, you wouldn't even have the technical talent to run it. Its a indstual 4.0 standard dark-room line！The production line is so advanced that any human involvement—even entering the production room—would require at least a master's degree from a top 10 Chinese university in this field.

I cant find english version. here are the Key Features of the PL-15E Production Line grabed by chatgpt in the video:
Fully Automated Operations: Once materials are loaded and software parameters are set, the production line operates entirely without human intervention.

• 24-Hour Non-Stop Production: The system is designed to run continuously, 24 hours a day, ensuring high efficiency and output.
• Minimal Human Oversight: Only 12 hours of operator monitoring are required daily, significantly reducing labor costs and human error.
• Flexible Manufacturing: The production line can adapt to various missile variants, supporting small-batch, multi-variety manufacturing.

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[The SC]

Obviously, we are not talking about the same thing.
@royalharris has already elaborated on most of the contents of a complete communication system. You can think about it carefully.

I have no intention of elevating or devaluing any country. So, I don't want to comment too much on their military communication systems.

As for China.
Many years ago, the PLA R&D department developed a military computer operating system (KylinOS). At the same time, China independently developed and manufactured the "Loongson" CPU. From this, we built our own military computer system. Although it has many problems, we still insist on using it and continue to develop and upgrade it.
As for the communication field. I think this is a well-known story.
As for various satellites, data links, radar and reconnaissance systems, etc., you should all know the current situation in China.
Because of our great efforts on these basic platforms, we have built our independent military information network today.

This road cannot be achieved by purchasing weapons and equipment from all over the world.

There is a sentence in the study of US military tactical thinking.

Where am I? Where is the enemy? Where is my support/teammate?​

This sentence seems simple. However, it is very, very difficult to achieve it. It can be clearly said that today's Russia cannot achieve this goal. Perhaps only China and the United States can achieve this goal.

Actually you should familiarize yourself with the Arab world military advancements.. some were made in cooperation with the US and Europe, some with Russia and recently a lot with China proper..

Like i told you before Egypt, Saudi Arabia, The UAE, Morocco and Algeria all have their own military and civilian satellites in use as well as communication and civilian satellites.. so for regional matters they are very well equipped for:
Where am I? Where is the enemy? Where is my support/teammate?
On a regional level.. they are not playing on the International level, like the US, China and Russia..

 

[The SC]

You all keep rambling on about networks, systems, electronics—missing the damn point - The PL-15E! The PL-15E isn't just some random BVR missile. It the most advanced air-to-air missile on this planet at this moment! PAF build the system around it. It's at least 30 years ahead of anything Egypt's Air Force has in its inventory. Even the U.S. is scrambling to build the AIM-260 just to counter it.

https://aviationweek.com/defense/lockheed-quietly-developing-aim-260-counter-chinese-pl-15

On the night of May 7th, without the PL-15E, Pakistan’s F-16s, J-10CEs, and JF-17s would've needed to close to within 70 km just to exchange BVR shots—AIM-120Cs/SD-10s VS India’s Rafales MICA EMs and su30s R-77 . Now apply that same scenario to Egypt’s FA-50s, MiGs, and F-16s—with close to zero BVR capability—and the IAF wouldn’t just win, they’d beat the shit out of the Egypt’s Air Force.

Conclusion: First, get a jet that can actually fire the PL-15E! Without it, your air force—even with the system/link/electronics, it will still eat like a cake by PAF.

Not a good video but the best I can find.

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Here is the video explain much better how PL15E superlong range, ASEA seeker, INS + Beidou updates, Two-way datalink, dual-pulse works

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Qs5VzCEG6/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=dce69c5b0988b6ef6cf86798c788255e

Nope you are missing the point totally, networks, systems, electronics, EW, AWACS platforms and everything else used are bases for the pL-15 to be used in the first place.. it is just a tool, although a mighty tool with its specs.. but on its own it is just another air to air missile with zero value..

 

[The SC]

Break it into paragraphs.
That's why we have paragraph breaks—to make things easier to read.

"Egypt even requested the manufacture of the PL-15 missile in 2022."
I keep read this kind claim at here...where the hell you get your source from?View attachment 120169
Absolutely no way you're getting the production line for the PL-15E!
This is the latest and most advanced air-to-air missile out there. It's like asking NVIDIA not just for best AI graphics cards to build your own AI model—but for the entire card production line!

1. First, how the PL-15E is made is a top-classified secret—because it's even the lastest for Chinese air force. (PL-17 with 400+ range isn't even the same type of weapon which cant replace PL-15. Only PL-16 on the way for 6gen fighter, but nothing before 2030)
2. Second, just like with AI chips, you definitely can afford to buy the missile itself—but not the production line.
3. Third, even if you had the money and China somehow agreed to sell it to you, you wouldn't even have the technical talent to run it. Its a indstual 4.0 standard dark-room line！The production line is so advanced that any human involvement—even entering the production room—would require at least a master's degree from a top 10 Chinese university in this field.

I cant find english version. here are the Key Features of the PL-15E Production Line grabed by chatgpt in the video:
Fully Automated Operations: Once materials are loaded and software parameters are set, the production line operates entirely without human intervention.

• 24-Hour Non-Stop Production: The system is designed to run continuously, 24 hours a day, ensuring high efficiency and output.
• Minimal Human Oversight: Only 12 hours of operator monitoring are required daily, significantly reducing labor costs and human error.
• Flexible Manufacturing: The production line can adapt to various missile variants, supporting small-batch, multi-variety manufacturing.

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Maybe spare parts..some parts for sure as all Arabs now-a-day won't buy any weapon system without TOT..including Egypt..

 

[The SC]

Why you like to write such long responses without proper paragraph breaks? It's really hard to read—especially the last part.

First of all, buying FA-50s—not 36, not 56, but 100! What kind of air force buys 100 FA-50s?
A. Country with a tiny budget and nearly no existing air power. they want to buy a number of FA-50s to train pilots and maybe drop a few bombs on terrorists in the forest at same time, since they cant afford anything more.
B. The air forces that want just a few high-performance trainers to complete their advanced pilot training programs.

So what is Egypt doing buying 100 of them? Is your enemy some ragtag group hiding in the forest? Or do you have such a massive air force that you actually need 100 advanced trainers? I don’t think so.

If your opposing force is even more powerful than the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), then FA-50s will just be expensive flying targets—burning your already tight budget.


Did you even look closely at the May 7th air fight? That wasn’t just another skirmish—it was the biggest air combat engagement since the 1982 Lebanon War (Bekaa Valley Air Battle). And this time, there was no unfair tech advantage. India used the most advanced European fighter available—the Rafale, which, by the way, Egypt just spent a fortune on.

India launched about 80 aircraft in a coordinated combat formation. Can Egypt’s air force even get 80 planes in the air at once today? You wish the Egyptian Air Force could do what the IAF pulled off that night.

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Yeah, sure. You’ll definitely crush the J-10CE + PL-15E combo with 100 F-35s + AIM-120D-3.


I’m not sure what kind of Chinese cars you saw in Egypt that gave you that impression. But with Egypt’s current economy, I can say with 100% confidence that you will not seeing those chinese car models on the streets of China.

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‘It can do the same things as the F-16’: South Korea is developing a new fighter based on the FA-50 aircraft​

https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/05/09/1310750.html

 

[Leviathan]

View attachment 119938

Everyone fears that Chinese fighters will become like Chinese cars, with lots of accessories and lights, and after three years they will become scrap and will not continue. Egypt's previous experience with Chinese fighters made it stay away from them for 30 years. We have bad experience with the unfortunate Chinese F-6 fighters, whose unfortunate Chinese engines Egypt replaced with other engines because they were easily crashed during flight, which is the reason for their short life in service in Egypt, because Egypt put them in the right place at the time, in the scrap.

First of all, F-6 is from 50 years ago, not 30 years ago... If I remember correctly, PAF did exaclty job with F-6, had 3:13 in the war with india.

Also im not sure why you use some product from China's 70s to estamite product from today's china.
China in 70S

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It’s not the responsibility of the Chinese Air Force to showcase how much China has advanced in the past thirty years. It’s the duty of every country’s air force to keep up with the latest and most advanced technologies in the world.
Any air force that fails to do so will end up like the IAF on the night of 5.7—a $280million fighter shot down right at the doorstep of its own airbase, by an enemy jet from 120+ kilometers away.

The most advanced air superiority fighter on this planet that on market

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[Leviathan]

Nope you are missing the point totally, networks, systems, electronics, EW, AWACS platforms and everything else used are bases for the pL-15 to be used in the first place.. it is just a tool, although a mighty tool with its specs.. but on its own it is just another air to air missile with zero value..

How are you going to use the PL-15E on its own? Duct-tape it to the wing of a 40-year-old F-16 or the new flying-coffin FA50??

First, to fire a PL-15E, you need a compatible aircraft—something like the JF-17 Block III.
Second, to maximum its 200+km maximum range, you’d need a J-10CE equipped with a 260 km AESA radar.
Last, to fully utilize its INS + Beidou updates, Two-way datalink capability，that can engage enemy aircraft in slient, you’d need a Chinese AWACS platform with Chinese link system.

Conclusion: If you're able to fully utilize the full capabilities of the PL-15E, then you already have the full system in place—not the other way around.

 

[The SC]

How are you going to use the PL-15E on its own? Duct-tape it to the wing of a 40-year-old F-16 or the new flying-coffin FA50??

First, to fire a PL-15E, you need a compatible aircraft—something like the JF-17 Block III.
Second, to maximum its 200+km maximum range, you’d need a J-10CE equipped with a 260 km AESA radar.
Last, to fully utilize its INS + Beidou updates, Two-way datalink capability，that can engage enemy aircraft in slient, you’d need a Chinese AWACS platform with Chinese link system.

Conclusion: If you're able to fully utilize the full capabilities of the PL-15E, then you already have the full system in place—not the other way around.

That is what I was saying.. no! ..you need the whole system in place in order to use the Pl-15.. otherwise it is of no value..

 

[Leviathan]

Maybe spare parts..some parts for sure as all Arabs now-a-day won't buy any weapon system without TOT..including Egypt..

I would agree with you and go for a TOT deal if your eastern neighbor were not hostile and had a powerful air force capable of striking your capital at any moment. Should learn from Pakistan Air Force, they chose the best and did well to response to its hostile eastern neighbor.

 

[The SC]

You probably haven’t followed South Korea’s buildup closely.

First of all, South Korea has a robust economy with a total GDP close to russia.
Second, South Korea has a strong R&D sector that...

Egypt failed at the very first step...

We are talking about the FA-50.. and you switched to economy..

Thing you have no idea of Egypt's economy is double when you take into account the dark economy.. and beyond that..Egypt's economy is linked directly to GCC economy.. keep your negative thoughts for yourself next time as you are showing a lot of ignorance on the MR here..

Be it South Korea. Japan or China.. without the Western capital and technological input you wouldn't be where you are now.. So keep that as a secret... and don't be too arrogant here..