Egyptian Armed Forces

[Sami_1]

It will be shit honestly. We saw what happened with alleged SU-35 radar. IDK remember what happened but something related that the SU-35 radar will guide the BVR missile up to 100 km Mesh faker awy. With the ongoing war, Russia will not produce a good quality AESA radar.

There is a difference between facts and propaganda. Today, the Russians have offered India the Sukhoi 35 again
During two years of battles, the Ukrainian fighters were able to range over long distances, and there are no real complaints about the plane. On the contrary, the Russians developed another version of it, the SU-35M, which has higher specifications, lighter weight, and higher engine capacity. In other words, the Russians simply provided a development program for the delivered versions, since the Russians did not object to the delivery of the fighters. Egypt, rather, Egypt, requested to update the specifications, which is what happened with the ANTY-2500 system after the completion of its manufacturing. Egypt refused to receive even its development, and even the MIG-29M/M2 plane. The official delivery program is in 2020, which is the end dates for the development of the specification requested by Egypt.

The Russians delivered the latest ammunition to Egypt, and even fulfilled Egypt's requests regarding special requests for air-to-air missiles

The Americans cannot provide any advanced weapons to Egypt because it is against Israel’s expansion plans in the Middle East, which are currently being implemented. Therefore, Egypt’s F-15 illusions have not been realized, and I mentioned it two years ago. America had 48 F-15E aircraft. If they had been delivered to Egypt, at the cost of developing the latest standard, they would have been considered an alternative to the aircraft. The SU-35, and I am still not analyzing my analysis. Egypt actually canceled the contract for 30 SU-57 aircraft for the simple reason that the Laruses did not finish their development program until 2022, whether with the new AL-51 engine or even with electronic equipment and reducing the radar and thermal signature to the required level.
The Russians have not abandoned the arms markets, on the contrary, they are continuing, but in another way. Rather, their expansion in Africa also includes supplying weapons to West African countries to expel the French and Americans from West Africa, and this includes supplies of new weapons to these countries immediately.

 

[Sami_1]

And for me, if the TAI Hurjet enters the competition with the FA-50, then there is a probability that Egypt will eventually choose the Hurjet because less strings etc...

On the contrary, the Turkish plane cannot be risked by contracting it

The T-50 plane is present in the air weapons of 7 countries, and more than 200 planes have been produced so far and are still being produced to complete export contracts. 130 planes were exported, and the Korean Air Force owns 142 planes.

The HURJET plane has not entered service. It is still in trials. One of the conditions of the Egyptian contracts is that the plane enter service with the original operator for 3 years to ensure that there are no problems or defects with the plane.
If you want a plane devoid of any foreign components, then the LCA MK1A plane with UTTAM radar and RD-33 engine is without any restrictions and foreign components. Otherwise, the Turkish plane itself has components from other functions and is not produced by Turkey in full manufacturing proportions as promoted. The engine is American, the seat is not an English ejector, and the electronics package has European components.
The countries that currently have full-fledged industries in the world are limited, such as the Russians and the Chinese themselves. Their production aircraft are still made with components that were previously approved from other international suppliers.


We come to the price point in exchange for performance. The Korean plane is higher in price than the Indian plane and the Turkish plane, but with a contract package that has not been announced, all of it is better with attractive Korean offers, in addition to one of the export offers through local Egyptian production.

The Turks entered late and did not provide excellence in the aircraft provided by them, whether in performance, and the luxurious fighter version was not produced.

The Turks are offering Egypt everything: fighters, attack helicopters, various drones, and technical transfer packages, but Egypt will not move on from the deals it signed for the eyes of the Turks. Rather, the Turks will only enter the competition first and foremost, whoever presents Egypt with the best offer that Egypt will accept. In general, the Koreans are of higher technology than the Turks and the Turks themselves. They get a great deal. Self-propelled guns and tanks from South Korea

 

[Ghostkiller]

There is a difference between facts and propaganda. Today, the Russians have offered India the Sukhoi 35 again
During two years of battles, the Ukrainian fighters were able to range over long distances, and there are no real complaints about the plane. On the contrary, the Russians developed another version of it, the SU-35M, which has higher specifications, lighter weight, and higher engine capacity. In other words, the Russians simply provided a development program for the delivered versions, since the Russians did not object to the delivery of the fighters. Egypt, rather, Egypt, requested to update the specifications, which is what happened with the ANTY-2500 system after the completion of its manufacturing. Egypt refused to receive even its development, and even the MIG-29M/M2 plane. The official delivery program is in 2020, which is the end dates for the development of the specification requested by Egypt.

The Russians delivered the latest ammunition to Egypt, and even fulfilled Egypt's requests regarding special requests for air-to-air missiles

The Americans cannot provide any advanced weapons to Egypt because it is against Israel’s expansion plans in the Middle East, which are currently being implemented. Therefore, Egypt’s F-15 illusions have not been realized, and I mentioned it two years ago. America had 48 F-15E aircraft. If they had been delivered to Egypt, at the cost of developing the latest standard, they would have been considered an alternative to the aircraft. The SU-35, and I am still not analyzing my analysis. Egypt actually canceled the contract for 30 SU-57 aircraft for the simple reason that the Laruses did not finish their development program until 2022, whether with the new AL-51 engine or even with electronic equipment and reducing the radar and thermal signature to the required level.
The Russians have not abandoned the arms markets, on the contrary, they are continuing, but in another way. Rather, their expansion in Africa also includes supplying weapons to West African countries to expel the French and Americans from West Africa, and this includes supplies of new weapons to these countries immediately.

It isn't propaganda. I remember in the old forum, we discussed about the capabilities of the SU-35's radar with some members like @GoMig-21 @The SC and others. But I can't find the article.

 

[Ghostkiller]

We come to the price point in exchange for performance. The Korean plane is higher in price than the Indian plane and the Turkish plane, but with a contract package that has not been announced, all of it is better with attractive Korean offers, in addition to one of the export offers through local Egyptian production.

Sorry but you contradict yourself or maybe you changed your opinion about the FA-50/LCA MK1A competition. I remembered that you said that LCA MK1A was better than the FA-50 etc...Why you changed your point of view (nothing against you)

 

[The SC]

It isn't propaganda. I remember in the old forum, we discussed about the capabilities of the SU-35's radar with some members like @GoMig-21 @The SC and others. But I can't find the article.

Su-35’s Triple Radars Provide Maximum Situational Awareness Against Stealth Targets​

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/su35-triple-radars-detect-stealth

 

[Ghostkiller]

Su-35’s Triple Radars Provide Maximum Situational Awareness Against Stealth Targets​

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https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/su35-triple-radars-detect-stealth

Ya SC, don't ever trust the militarywatchmagazine, they are f*cking sh*t hahahaha

 

[MMM-E]

Otherwise, the Turkish plane itself has components from other functions and is not produced by Turkey in full manufacturing proportions as promoted.

Except Engine HURJET use full of Turkish Systems
S.Korean T-50 uses full of American-Israeli-European componets including engine , radar , missiles and guided munitions

The engine is American, the seat is not an English ejector, and the electronics package has European components.

S.Korean FA-50 uses American GE-F404 Engine
-- SNIPER Targeting Pod from USA
-- Elta EL/M-2032 Radar from Israel
-- Raytheon PhantomStrike AESA Radar from USA
Weapons
-- AIM-120 and AIM-9x air to air Missiles from USA
-- KEPD-350 Cruise Missile from Germany
-- SPEAR-3 Missile from the UK
-- JSM anti-ship Missile from Norway
-- Guided Bombs from USA


Turkish HURJET uses American GE-F404 Engine
-- Aselsan ASELPOD Targeting Pod
-- Aselsan MURAD AESA Radar
-- Aselsan TULGAR HMDS
weapons
-- BOZDOGAN and GOKDOGAN air to air Missiles
-- SOM Cruise Missile .... land attack/anti-ship
-- CAKIR Cruise Missile ... land attack/anti-ship
-- 110 km TOLUN-IIR and 180 km KUZGUN-TJ IIR guided munitions
-- Guided Bombs


Superior technology for Egypt

Front body made of aluminum and composite parts
Digital fly-by-wire controls
Targeting Pod

Head-Up Display HUD
Helmet Mounted Indicator
Digital flight control computer
Full Authority Digital Controlled Flight System
Advanced Human Machine Interface (Minimum Familiarization Time for F-35 and KAAN)
Intra & Inter Data Link
Night Vision Compatible
Air Refueling
Envelope Protection
Embedded Tactical Training and Live Virtual Constructive Training Systems
Apu for Autonomous Operations

Cockpit
Multifunctional Integrated Modular Display
AMLCD widescreen

It is an intelligent multifunctional unit with touch feature, where the pilot can watch sensor videos, see digital maps and tactical symbologies, and manage the system.


Aselsan TULGAR Helmet Mounted Display System
TULPAR supports the pilot during missions with high resolution color imagery projected onto the visor. Equipped with cutting edge optical design, it possesses high field of view and seethrough capability.

F-35 Pilots use same technology


Radar : Aselsan MURAD GaN based AESA with 1.152 GaN T/R modules
far better than RAFALE's RBE2 AESA Radar with 838 GaAs T/R modules.


Advanced Weapons
25 km BOZDOGAN and 100+ km GOKDOGAN Air to Air Missiles
200 km GOKHAN ramjet powered Air to Air Missile
150 km AKBABA supersonic anti-radiation Missile
110 km TOLUN-IIR and 100+ km KUZGUN-SS guided Munitions
180+ km KUZGUN-TJ and 150+ km CAKIR Cruise Missiles
275 km SOM Cruise Missile


T-50 is nothing to do with S.Korea except platform
And Turkiye has far better technology than S.Korea in aviation industry

never forget that USA never will give AIM-120 to Egypt for FA-50

 

[The SC]

Major General Pilot Hisham Al-Halabi: There is a new deal from the French Rafale entering service in addition to the last deal

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[GoMig-21]

The Russian side and there may be surprises related to Russian weapons in Egypt, which is Egypt obtaining additional batches of MIG-35/KA-52/Mi-35 fighters and even the Sukhoi 35.

The train has left the station on the last one there a long time ago, ya Sami. There is no more Su-35 and will never be. And if by some miracle those ones that were ready to be delivered don't end up in Iran and actually come to Egypt, I would seriously question the thinking behind the EAF's decision to accept aircraft of that caliber that were put in storage for 4+++++++ years in the well-known harsh climate of Russia, even if they were indoors which I doubt since inside space is of a premium in arctic conditions like Russia. It would be a HORRIBLE decision. Unless it happens sometime within this year, then maybe. Maybe. But I would still be very cautious as those things will need major testing all over again to prove they're not only air-worthy, but safe! I'm sure the EAF knows this shtuff they don't need me to tell them.

And they can't order new ones, Russia would have problems with trust and would require full payment up front (which might be the case now with any major order because of the Su-35 disaster). And that's what it was, a disaster let's not sugar coat it and call it like it is.

Their best bet right now is to find a way around CAATSA, order the MiG-35 with the new weapons (and make sure they get the new RVV-SD) and then re-order the 30 Su-57s you were talking about. I thought I heard some rumors about that a year ago but never took it seriously. I think it's just rumors or maybe they were interested in it only but never really actually even signed an MOU. I'm not going to ask you to source where you heard the EAF had "ordered 30 Su-75s" from since you usually are reluctant to do that lol. It's ok ya m3alem.

But that's what I would do and hope they go this route. Forget the Su-35, done deal. Get rid of CAATSA somehow! Then get on the MiG-35 (cuz they need a cheaper low-end fighter in great numbers to compliment the 29Ms and jump to the Su-57. That will meet their heavy fighter needs as well as put them in the 5th gen club.

MiG-35 of course. Mi-35......do they need it? They have the 12 or so Mi-24s and 46 Apache and 50 Ka-52s, why add the Mi-35? I suppose they can supplement the low number of Hinds, I guess. Also since it's a hybrid gunship/ATV-sized cargo/transport which makes it unique and not just an attack helo. It bridges all three types nicely.

But I heard there are issues with the Ka-52s. Not sure of the veracity of that but it might be a reason why they're looking at the Turkish T-129. Although the video SC posted suggested it would replace the Gazelles which thank God for that. Time for those ancient lightweights to rest in peace. The T-129s seem like they would be an overkill for the Gazelles, though. And those also serve with the special police units which would make the T-129 definitely an overkill lool. That's all the police in Egypt need now is to have full-blown & armed to the teeth attack helicopters lol.

 

[GoMig-21]

And for me, if the TAI Hurjet enters the competition with the FA-50, then there is a probability that Egypt will eventually choose the Hurjet because less strings etc...

I agree. Nothing against the FA-50 as a matter of fact, if we really disect the technical details, the Golden Eagle comes out ahead of the Hurjet as far as in-service rating and lethality. But for the what the Hurjet is designed as and the fact that it's from Türkiye makes it a better option IMO. It seems like a terrific jet.

First thing that came to my mind is not only to have an advanced trainer at a good cost with ToT from Türkiye, but the potential that it could also replace all the K-8Es. The white trainers/attack units and the Silver Stars. Time for those boys to move up too why not, right? I'd love (even prefer) to see Mustafa and co. end up in F-16s for the EAF Demonstration team, what a show they would put on with those machines. But the Hurjet would be perfect for them and then some.

 

[Sami_1]

Sorry but you contradict yourself or maybe you changed your opinion about the FA-50/LCA MK1A competition. I remembered that you said that LCA MK1A was better than the FA-50 etc...Why you changed your point of view (nothing against you)

I have not changed my mind and I am not a decision maker, but unfortunately the state's direction is for this aircraft. I am not the one who chose. Simply put, my opinion is that the Indian aircraft, the LCA-MK1A, is better in every way, because all the development that Korea is trying to implement has better specifications than India, but the state has other options, they see. The Korean plane is better because it has a better international market. They believe that countries will buy the Korean plane, such as the Gulf countries, which do not have Western manufacture and prefer Western products.
I believe that transferring technology from India is easier because India wants to open markets and sees the Egyptian market as large, which is what the Turks are trying to do. Now they want to penetrate the Egyptian market and take a share from the Europeans, and they say that we are seeking to establish factories and transfer technology, and if you want to design Egyptian products, we will help you, but with big deals, meaning that the Turks want Competition between Indians and Koreans

The Korean plane has higher specifications than the Turkish plane because the Turkish plane does not exist. As long as the plane did not enter service and did not prove operational efficiency, the Turkish plane is considered not to exist at all, and that is why the Kemalists chose the Korean plane.

In general, the Indians themselves are still open to transferring parts and subsystems technologies. In Egypt, they have made offers to develop local diesel engine factories, competing with the Germans, and also transferring AESA radar technologies by increasing military cooperation.

The Turks and Egypt want the same thing from them. For example, Egypt wants to manufacture surface-to-air and air-to-air missiles, and it managed from the Turks some of the technologies used in parts of the engines and perhaps the guidance systems, because simply Egypt needs to manufacture missiles to integrate them into air defense systems, rather than developing obsolete systems with new missiles or even integrating them into systems. Such as IRIS-T, as opposed to local systems. Egypt is carefully studying the Indian offer for the AKASH-NG system. The Egyptians want a system that is parallel in performance to systems such as IRIST-SLX. Therefore, the Egyptians want technologies in engine components to reach missiles at the same level as European missiles. The same applies to radars. Egypt wants to produce local radars. Parallel in performance to the European radars TRML-4D or NS110/200 to be integrated into Egyptian platforms, so the presence of the Turks makes it necessary for them to reach the level of their equipment to be at this level and not to buy a Turkish product or radar, but rather to supply the products at the same European level, so things will be a joint development to reach To technical levels parallel to the best European platforms, and the French are well aware of this matter, so they and the Italians will enter the competition because they do not want to lose markets, like the Germans and the Germans, who are trying to circumvent their governments through intermediary companies from other countries so that they do not lose markets because of their governments.

 

[MMM-E]

But I heard there are issues with the Ka-52s. Not sure of the veracity of that but it might be a reason why they're looking at the Turkish T-129. Although the video SC posted suggested it would replace the Gazelles which thank God for that. Time for those ancient lightweights to rest in peace. The T-129s seem like they would be an overkill for the Gazelles, though. And those also serve with the special police units which would make the T-129 definitely an overkill lool.

Egypt interest in T-129 Attack Helicopter

Gazelle Helicopters are outdated and using by Egyptian Police and Armed Forces


T-129 has great technology and very agile to fight terrorists and to hunt Tanks

The Most effective Attack Helicopter in its class in the World

Modern Cockpit with state of the art Electronics-Avionics

Aselsan AVCI ( Hunter ) Helmet


Modern Electronic Warfare Systems
-- Radar warning receiver System
-- Radar freguency mixer System
-- Laser receiver System
-- Missile warning System
-- Countermeasure firing System
-- IR ( infrared ) and Countermeasure System

Flexible Weapons Configurations
-- 20 mm Gun with 500 rounds
-- 76 rockets or 16 CIRIT laser guided missiles
-- 8 UMTAS anti-Tank Missiles
-- 2 STINGER air to air Missiles

Advanced Anti-Tank Missiles from 8 km to 50 km


Turkiye can arm Egypt with state of the art high quality Western standard Weapons

 

[Sami_1]

It isn't propaganda. I remember in the old forum, we discussed about the capabilities of the SU-35's radar with some members like @GoMig-21 @The SC and others. But I can't find the article.

Of course, it was propaganda for a simple reason. The news circulated about a fake battle between the Rafale and the SU-35. Was it issued by any governmental or official source? Of course not. Was it announced by the Russians, Indians or French? Of course not.
I will tell you that there are secrets in the arms trade and manufacture. I will give you very simple examples. The specifications of fighters change every two to three years. There are unannounced updates and there are requests that are not announced in the media. I will give you a simple example.
In limited-performance equipment, Egypt always requires the addition of a component of a high-performance aircraft to carry out combat operations. As a simple example, Egypt may add EW dedicated to fighters such as the SU-35/57 in an aircraft such as the MIG-29, thus changing the rules of the tactical game. Are the specifications of engines such as the RD-33 currently the same? Announced 7 years ago, of course not, for a simple reason. The Russians have a Chinese competitor that provides WS-13/19 engines with a capacity of 22,450 pounds to supply fighters with it. The Russians are developing these engines so as not to lose the market. For example, the Pakistani defense market is looking for stronger engines for the JF-17 simply because the plane has an empty weight. It rose a lot, which affected its performance, so they asked for solutions from the Russians. If the Russians did not meet them, they turned to the Chinese source.

The failure of the Russians, for example, to provide AESA radar for the MIG-29/35 fighters makes the operating countries look for Indian, Italian, and even French alternatives, and the Russians will accept the integration of radar into these fighters without objection, because this in itself makes there an attraction for cheap Russian fighters by raising their performance to a level competing with the latest fighters at a low cost. Without conditions and restrictions

Another example: Since November 2011, the United States of America has been offering Egypt American fighters and AIM-120C missiles in exchange for Egypt canceling its contracts with the Russians, but Egypt has been planning since 2006 to stay away from American weapons, regardless of the American temptations, so Egypt is raising the level of demands so that the Americans do not accept them, so that it remains I bought Egyptian weapons as is, away from American restrictions

 

[mulj]

I have not changed my mind and I am not a decision maker, but unfortunately the state's direction is for this aircraft. I am not the one who chose. Simply put, my opinion is that the Indian aircraft, the LCA-MK1A, is better in every way, because all the development that Korea is trying to implement has better specifications than India, but the state has other options, they see. The Korean plane is better because it has a better international market. They believe that countries will buy the Korean plane, such as the Gulf countries, which do not have Western manufacture and prefer Western products.
I believe that transferring technology from India is easier because India wants to open markets and sees the Egyptian market as large, which is what the Turks are trying to do. Now they want to penetrate the Egyptian market and take a share from the Europeans, and they say that we are seeking to establish factories and transfer technology, and if you want to design Egyptian products, we will help you, but with big deals, meaning that the Turks want Competition between Indians and Koreans

The Korean plane has higher specifications than the Turkish plane because the Turkish plane does not exist. As long as the plane did not enter service and did not prove operational efficiency, the Turkish plane is considered not to exist at all, and that is why the Kemalists chose the Korean plane.

In general, the Indians themselves are still open to transferring parts and subsystems technologies. In Egypt, they have made offers to develop local diesel engine factories, competing with the Germans, and also transferring AESA radar technologies by increasing military cooperation.

The Turks and Egypt want the same thing from them. For example, Egypt wants to manufacture surface-to-air and air-to-air missiles, and it managed from the Turks some of the technologies used in parts of the engines and perhaps the guidance systems, because simply Egypt needs to manufacture missiles to integrate them into air defense systems, rather than developing obsolete systems with new missiles or even integrating them into systems. Such as IRIS-T, as opposed to local systems. Egypt is carefully studying the Indian offer for the AKASH-NG system. The Egyptians want a system that is parallel in performance to systems such as IRIST-SLX. Therefore, the Egyptians want technologies in engine components to reach missiles at the same level as European missiles. The same applies to radars. Egypt wants to produce local radars. Parallel in performance to the European radars TRML-4D or NS110/200 to be integrated into Egyptian platforms, so the presence of the Turks makes it necessary for them to reach the level of their equipment to be at this level and not to buy a Turkish product or radar, but rather to supply the products at the same European level, so things will be a joint development to reach To technical levels parallel to the best European platforms, and the French are well aware of this matter, so they and the Italians will enter the competition because they do not want to lose markets, like the Germans and the Germans, who are trying to circumvent their governments through intermediary companies from other countries so that they do not lose markets because of their governments.

You want a lot but commit nothing, ToT is not going to happen just like that if ever. Best way to aquire some tech is to enter in some projects as partners and only one available are turkish ones for jumping in.
No one will give you ToT for finished product.

 

[MMM-E]

Egypt is carefully studying the Indian offer for the AKASH-NG system. The Egyptians want a system that is parallel in performance to systems such as IRIST-SLX. Therefore, the Egyptians want technologies in engine components to reach missiles at the same level as European missiles. The same applies to radars. Egypt wants to produce local radars. Parallel in performance to the European radars TRML-4D or NS110/200 to be integrated into Egyptian platforms, so the presence of the Turks makes it necessary for them to reach the level of their equipment to be at this level and not to buy a Turkish product or radar

You offer inferior technologies to Egypt ..
including monkey model weapons like S.Korean FA-50
USA and Israel will not give Radar and Air to Air Missiles to Egypt for FA-50

Egyptian F-16s are still lack AIM-120 air to air Missile


250 km German TRML-4D Radar is inferior to Turkish ERALP AESA Radar which was able to detect and track the International Space Station ( RCS dbm2 of 31 ) at a range of 729 km and an altitude of 423 km

Turkiye can offer the best Air Defense Umbrella than S.Korea , India and Germany

-- KORKUT 35mm SPAAG with airburst ammunition
-- SUNPUR MANPADS better than American STINGER and French MISTRAL
-- HISAR-A and HISAR-O low-medium range Air Defense Systems
-- GURZ hybrid Air Defense System like Russian PANTSIR
-- GOKDEMIR Air Defense System like American NASAMS
-- SIPER high altitude Air Defense System with range of up to 250 km

GaN based AESA Radars with KEMENT tactical Data-Link
Full of Turkish technology from IIR-RF seekers to engines from chips to GAN transmitters