First specs of Turkish AC project

[LegionnairE]

It begs the question though; in 11 years, the issues between the US and Turkey will likely resolve themselves, and I'm willing to bet that the Turks will have the F-35 available to them. Would Turkey rather spend the money to develop a naval variant of the KAAN, or would they simply seek to buy an F-35C as a cheaper option?

C'mon.

We won't build an aircraft carrier just in case F-35C is available to us in 10 years. That's a terrible idea.

If it became available now I guess we'd buy it but the window for that is rapidly closing.

 

[MMM-E]

I don't think there will be a naval KAAN, we are discussing this hypothetical when its likely not the route Turkey takes. The route that has been mentioned is Hurjet and Kizilelma along with ANKA drones.

There will be navalized KAAN but it is too early to say this now
Aircraft Carrier will enter service in the next 10 years


Navalized HURJET is a toy to match with enemy Fighter Jets like RAFALE and F-35
France and Greece threatening Turkiye in the Eastern Mediterranean
and we have to control the south of Crete as well on the way to Libya

If we protect our national interests in Libya and in the Eastern Mediterranean
We need a real Fighter Jet like KAAN to use on a real Aircraft Carrier to match with French Aircraft Carrier and Hellenic Air Force action

When their Navies positioned in the south of Crete with Aircraft Carrier , we must deploy our aircraft carrier there too to protect our rights and to respond to them

We will not use AC against PKK or terror groups
We will use AC to protect our rights in the Eastern Mediterranean and in the high seas

and HURJET can not protect our rights

Navalized HURJET is just for the beginning and will be a first step to gain experience to operate Carriers including TCG ANADOLU

 

[LegionnairE]

We will not use AC against PKK or terror groups

It's CV, not AC lol.

And we won't use a CV against Greece either. We're not in 1944, when you didn't know where the enemy aircraft carrier was and 70 enemy aircraft showed up out of nowhere. Nowadays there are eyes everywhere even in space. They'll easily find it and sink it. In a possible war with Greece both LHD and CV assets will stay as far back as possible.

 

[sutton9999]

Do these medium-sized LHD/Carriers have arresting gear?
Or UAVs launched from the carrier will land elsewhere?

 

[MMM-E]

It's CV, not AC lol.

And we won't use a CV against Greece either. We're not in 1944, when you didn't know where the enemy aircraft carrier was and 70 enemy aircraft showed up out of nowhere. Nowadays there are eyes everywhere even in space. They'll easily find it and sink it. In a possible war with Greece both LHD and CV assets will stay as far back as possible.

It's just a fight to show power and flag In order not to lose the rights in the Eastern Mediterranean

We can designate the region where we deploy the Aircraft Carrier as the Turkish EEZ against the counter thesis.

Because if we do not have this ability, the other side will do this and we cannot enter that region to protect our rights


btw Aircraft Carrier will be not alone
It's not easy to sink a Carrier Group which consist of 2 ISTIF Frigates , 2 TF-2000 Destroyers armed with over 500 SAMs ... also MILDEN and Type214TN Submarines , also KAAN and KIZILEMA Fighter Jets in the Air

even Aircraft Carrier will have 32 cells VLS to carry 128 HISAR-D SAMs in quad pack capability
also 4 x GOKDENIZ 35 mm CIWS to intercept anti-ship missiles

 

[hyperman]

Kizilelma and ANKA make sense, but Hurjet though? I don't know, it doesn't sound right. Maybe as a sort of light attack or air defense role.

For a 60,000 ton AC as well. For that size, they'd be foolish to not try and find a full carrier fighter. Even the Japanese Hyuga class "destroyers" with a 20,000 ton displacement are capable of and expected to carry F35s.

The Turkish AC would be severely outgunned if it's only two fighter-Drones and a light fighter.

The Japanese Carrier uses F-35B, they are VTOL, this isn't a realistic option for Turkey b/c of politics.

Hurjet is an option, the HAL Tejas is a single engine fighter that has a carrier based variant, They might make a similar version.

I guess we will see.

 

[LegionnairE]

It's not easy to sink a Carrier Group which consist of 2 ISTIF Frigates , 2 TF-2000 Destroyers armed with over 500 SAMs

I know. And it won't matter.

Modern war is very deadly for ships. As Russian black sea fleet found out against a country with an outdated air force and no navy to speak of.

Greek armed forces is FAR more capable than Ukraine and they have the islands. Turkish navy is going to have it's hands full without having to protect strategic assets like LHDs and CVs.

If our admirals aren't total morons, TCG Anadolu will spend most of the war in İskenderun, only to come out if there's a major landing operation in Crete or something.

 

[LegionnairE]

Do these medium-sized LHD/Carriers have arresting gear?
Or UAVs launched from the carrier will land elsewhere?

Not right now but there are plans underway to refit the Anadolu

 

[MMM-E]

Greek armed forces is FAR more capable than Ukraine and they have the islands. Turkish navy is going to have it's hands full without having to protect strategic assets like LHDs and CVs.

Aircraft Carrier will not operate in the Aegean
And They dont have Islands in the Eastern Mediterranean

Modern war is very deadly for ships. As Russian black sea fleet found out against a country with an outdated air force and no navy to speak of.

Ukraine used Ground based Anti-ship Missile and unmanned Kamikaze Vessels

Russian MOSKVA Cruiser was 150 km south of Odesa ...
Aircraft Carrier will operate far from Greek mainland and Islands

And Russian Warships were so outdated including 40+ years old MOSKVA Cruiser

on the other hand
TF-2000 class Destroyer is a new gen Warship equipped with the latest technology sensors and weapons to work with ADVENT CMS for network centric warfare


Carrier Strike Group can create no fly zone at a range of 150+ km with SIPER Block2 SAM and KAAN-KIZILELMA in the air for protection

and 600+ SAMs -- 35mm CIWS can intercept HARPOON-EXOCET anti-ship Missiles
also Type-214TN and MILDEN Submarines dont keep enemy Submarines close to Aircraft Carrier

 

[MMM-E]

France will start to build future Aircraft Carrier in 2031 to enter service in 2038

FCAS stealth Fighter Jets to use on futture Aircraft Carrier


According to TURDEF
KAAN Fighter Jets are planned for the next phase to use on Aircraft Carrier

https://turdef.com/article/turkish-navy-unveils-the-aircraft-carrier-programme

 

[LegionnairE]

Aircraft Carrier will operate far from Greek mainland and Islands

At that point it doesn't matter if an aircraft takes off from Eskişehir or TCG Trakya, you're not really looking at the map.

Aircraft Carrier will not operate in the Aegean

No but Turkish navy will be. They will be too busy fighting to protect power projection assets.

 

[MMM-E]

At that point it doesn't matter if an aircraft takes off from Eskişehir or TCG Trakya, you're not really looking at the map.

No but Turkish navy will be. They will be too busy fighting to protect power projection assets.

We dont need Aircraft Carrier , TF-2000 Destroyers even ISTIF Frigates in the Aegean

10 new FACs , 4 ADA class Corvettes and unmanned Combat Vessels also STM-500 mini attack Submarines will be so effective in the Aegean than big and expensive platforms

also 150-250 km BARBAROS Coastal Defense System with CAKIR-ATMACA anti-ship missiles can block all Aegean to hit Greek Naval assests

also 70 km TRLG-230 laser guided MLRS and 180 km ground launched KUZGUN-TJ Missile can hit Greek Naval assests in the Aegean


This is not 1996 .. This is 2024
Turkiye can use even hundreds of UCAVs to hit Greek Naval assests in the Aegean
even I am not talking about upcoming 3 stealth platforms KAAN , KIZILELMA and ANKA-3


only one day will be enough to wipe out Greek Naval assests including 3 new FDI Frigates in the Aegean even without using Turkish Navy Frigates-Destroyers

and Hellenic Navy never can match with upcoming Turkish Navy in the Eastern Mediterranean

 

[LegionnairE]

We dont need Aircraft Carrier

You're goddamn right

10 new FACs , 4 ADA class Corvettes and unmanned Combat Vessels also STM-500 mini attack Submarines

Yes!

Problem is, no contract on the construction of FACs and Erdoggy cancelled the 4 Ada class corvette tender for political reasons

also 150-250 km BARBAROS Coastal Defense System with CAKIR-ATMACA anti-ship missiles can block all Aegean to hit Greek Naval assests

Same goes for Greeks on their islands. That's a bit of a problem there

 

[MMM-E]

You're goddamn right

I said that We dont need Aircraft Carrier in the Aegean

We need an Aircraft Carrier for Libya and Eastern Mediterranean against France-Greece alliance

also for Somalia and Qatar
Our Navy is so happy with 285 Aircraft Carrier project
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Same goes for Greeks on their islands. That's a bit of a problem there

Therefore we need using small and fast FACs also unmanned Combat Vessels in the Aegean

We can lose big Platforms like ISTIF and TF-2000 in the Aegean
STM-500 mini attack Sumbarines will be game changer in the Aegean

 

[LegionnairE]

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Therefore we need using small and fast FACs

I've been saying that for years, where is MPAC?