Full Text of Controversial Imran Khan Cypher Released

[Goenitz]

The first confidence motion happened March 2021 which IK won

Retirement was far

2nd started from around November time and tabled March 2022

Bajwa needed another extension then

 

[Corax]

Thanks for confirming Pakistan is not a sovereign nation and still severly colonialized through the native sepoy force...

Not sure how you reached that conclusion, I actually implied the complete opposite, but read into it whatever you like.

 

[Jango]

why don't they just abolish the constitution and declare the country Faujistan with all issues to be decided only in Corps Commanders conferences ? At least then it will be an honest setup and you won't have to spend money on perks and pay for assemblies and civilians.

Because you need legitimacy for foreign dealings...unless you totally sell yourself out like Sisi.

 

[Jango]

.... that the sentinel event, to which you are only now waking up to, actually happened over 50 years ago, when Gen Zia created modern day Pakistan.

And indeed the world moved on a long, long time ago. That ship sailed to far off seas, never to return.

Sure...but do we wanna steer that ship back or keep going to the abyss?

(I already know what your answer is gonna be )

That, I can agree with, starting that large sequence of events from how NS was removed to install Abassi/Nasir-ul-Mulk, to finally install IK, and then all the machinations to keep IK in power when he was on the same page, only to remove him too, when he deviated from his given script. IK then fought back in many ways, including the infamous cipher.

But, then, unless there is full accountability, it could all be anything, as you say.

Sure...let's start! My allegiance does not lie to IK, idk why you think that's some sort of trump card in the argument here.

What is equally clear is the fact that whether IK lied, or told the truth about the cipher, he did it to remain in power. And he failed.

Newsflash...politician doing things to remain in power. Up next...they do political alliances to remain in power.

What is more, the country has moved on without IK just the same as before, no better and no worse. Almost four years. And counting.

Yes....it sure has moved on when it bought loans worth 50 billion and punting the 350 billion interest to all us poor folk 30 years down the line. Fake numbers sure look rosy. There's a country other than IK too, but most don't get it. They are still left drafting constitutional amendments to remove young PTI voters. Refer to italic part above again.

 

[VCheng]

Newsflash...politician doing things to remain in power. Up next...they do political alliances to remain in power.

Right. Some fail to hold on to power despite "doing things", and end up in jail. Someone else takes their place. Life goes on.

That is about all I have to say here.

 

[VCheng]

The Generals have done the same. Pak needs the stability (whatever the form is), or it will continue in a downward spiral.

The Generals created modern day Pakistan in 1977, and have ruled it ever since in a manner that they decide - totally illegally and outside of the Constitution.

The General's power structure is stable. The people are in a downward spiral.

The Generals have no reason to change. The people remain accepting of their fate, except the lucky few that can escape abroad.

And that's the way it is, like it or not.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

What's the surprise in here? The Pak Deep State would never be in a head-on confrontational mode with the USA. It'll say YES to the first Imperialist command to cool the situation down to have the "time, not watch" to charter a way out. It's how you survive in a military academy, and it's how you survive against a Christian Super Power. According to Ustad Israr Ahmed (RA), the Christian powers are there, by HIS DESIGN, to put the Muslims and Jews back into their places in this Dunya when their collective Gunah > their collective Sawab....

 

[Respect4Respect]

Khan didn't lie. Any rational person knew that he wouldn't lie about this.

However, what matters is his behaviour and the behaviour of his party since they lost power. Unfortunately, this reality does not change their treasonous behaviour.

As I have held for quite some time, he and his wife shouldn't be in jail - they should be free to live in exile and away from politics. PTI needs either total reform or to be disbanded for the sake of our own sovereignty.

Brother, if IK was right then they should return his mandate and punish the culprits involved in derailing the country. Would your opinion be the same if India or Afghanistan were involved instead of the USA? Because Pakistan’s sovereignty was violated and as you know, izzat dost looty ya dushman...dono cases men jaati izzat hi hai.

We have tried democracy, dictatorship and even the hybrid system but nothing has worked. So if not civilians then do you recommend that the Army take over and the COAS run the country? But that is just dictatorship again and it has already failed in Pakistan. Generals come from the same society, they are not saints or aql e kul as they claim to be.

If we Pakistanis truly cannot run the country ourselves then maybe it’s better to hand it over to the USA or China for the next 50 years...because our sovereignty has already been violated so many times that it doesn’t even matter anymore.

 

[F.O.X]

What nonsense is this ? We are screaming loud in the UsA and Canada that USA is behind it … I even had a pitition presented in the Canadaian parliament mentioning this and I authored that resolution ….

you own Minister Shafqat Mahmood, Categorically Said that it was just a political Stunt and that USA had nothing to do with it. but yes... keep living in your own imaginary world.

 

[F.O.X]

Wow nice try …. You are trying to make it sound like as if we had a democratic , fair and independent parliament and system in place .

I watching it all …. Live ….MQM , BNP struggling till the last minute to decide who to vote for , members of
Parliament kidnapped and kept in Punjab House , many simply disappeared and reappeared on the voting date , our relative from Multan was offered equivalent of $3M to vote against his own party, members had their fanily members especially kids and wives picked up and phone calls were made threatening their rape and their businesses sealed and confiscated to force them to vote against PTI so yeah absolutely and clearly a very clean and fair way IK was removed .

I totally see your point …

why start from here, why not start from 2018 ? how do you think IK came into power ? do you remember Jahangir Tareen and his "Jahaaz" which was hunting and buying candidates on behalf of establishment.

 

[KingQamaR]

It is true US was involved via buying and bought Pakistani politicians and Military personnel to change democratically elected Khan Government of Pakistan. Sadly Pakistani liberals and so called analysts continue to discredit Khan would rather bite off their tongue than admit a foreigner country did this. These silly people miss this one very important factor it should have been people of PK through free elections to remove Khan if they were not happy with his Government and not Washington.

 

[Olympus81]

Brother, if IK was right then they should return his mandate and punish the culprits involved in derailing the country. Would your opinion be the same if India or Afghanistan were involved instead of the USA? Because Pakistan’s sovereignty was violated and as you know, izzat dost looty ya dushman...dono cases men jaati izzat hi hai.

We have tried democracy, dictatorship and even the hybrid system but nothing has worked. So if not civilians then do you recommend that the Army take over and the COAS run the country? But that is just dictatorship again and it has already failed in Pakistan. Generals come from the same society, they are not saints or aql e kul as they claim to be.

If we Pakistanis truly cannot run the country ourselves then maybe it’s better to hand it over to the USA or China for the next 50 years...because our sovereignty has already been violated so many times that it doesn’t even matter anymore.

You are correct.

The crux of the problem is the establishment.

Its not the politicians who’ve been propped up by the military dictators. If it wasn’t Sharifs, Elahis then it would have been someone else.

On the issue of cipher, its pretty straightforward it existed. And to have a foreign entity interfering in Pakistan’s affairs is something that needs to investigated upon and culprits facing accountability. As we know, who the culprit is we won’t see justice dispensed.

The system is inherently broken dost.

 

[That_Guy]

Let us assume that you are correct. Then why did IK do what he did? Of course, to remain in power. And he failed. He has been out of power for nearly four years.

What exactly did he do?

You've made a vague statement, and don't point out what exactly it is you're referring to.

he was removed and imprisoned.

So whether he told the truth, or not, the end result remains the same: IK lost power nearly four years ago.

And your point is?

And the world has moved on, clearly. So what is the point of this present exercise in futliity?

The man is in prison on false charges and is essentially a political prisoner.

It matters.

We all know the shenanigans of the miltablishment very well. They have been doing the same illegalities for decades, well before IK's time, and since that time as well, and getting away with it.

And they shouldn't.

The difference between your thinking and mine; you think its normal and inevitable behavior by the establishment. I think the establishment needs to dragged through a literal meat grinder, until it learns to keep its hands to itself and learn its place.

We've passed the era of overt coups, and we are progressing towards an era where the current covert coups will not be tolerated.

And so shall it continue.

It will not. There is always an end.

 

[Xestan]

You do know the motion for the VoNC was submitted in the NA on 8 March 2022 by the MNA's.

Would you be kind enough to have a look and tell me the date of the demarche letter? Agr sharam kay maray aap na batana chahain to lemme know, to masla nhn...it was 7 March 2022.

Now this can be a coincidence, or connected, or something else. But it sure as heck does not "prove" several things as you had claimed.

Aisay proofs par to main sadqay jaoon.

The Opposition formally announced VoNC on 11th February, 2022.

PDM announces no-trust motion against PM Imran’s govt | The Express Tribune

Announcement made following a meeting of the multi-party alliance during a press conference in Islamabad

tribune.com.pk

Unless Americans went back in time to tell Pakistani opposition to file a no confidence motion for something that was going to happen a month later, your whole theory sounds fiction at best.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

It is true US was involved via buying and bought Pakistani politicians and Military personnel to change democratically elected Khan Government of Pakistan. Sadly Pakistani liberals and so called analysts continue to discredit Khan would rather bite off their tongue than admit a foreigner country did this. These silly people miss this one very important factor it should have been people of PK through free elections to remove Khan if they were not happy with his Government and not Washington.

The question then is, Why now?

Who published it? Cui Bono...
The opposition in Pakistan... resentment towards military to bring back the previous set up or... ones who instigated it now putting their foot on the tail to make them do something...

Is it US now pressuring Pakistan to do its bidding... another "Do More" moment? A move to do something on foreign policy?

Who or what it might be to time it now is the question... the former premier was walked off the cliff by those who carried him along... to bring back the coterie of tried and failed back to power... what gives...