Gaza-Israel Conflict | 2023-2024

[Meengla]

actually there is two precedence another one is Taiwan

Excellent. No Veto to suspend Israel.
But I think America will exert enormous pressure on most countries--countries who have been so far 'abstaining' in the UNGA votes against Israel.

 

[Davey Crockett]

https://x.com/MilitaryEye/status/1741907471466184876?s=20

CONFIRMED by multiple Yemeni, Zionist sources, clashes are ongoing with an American Vessel.

Keep in mind ALL warships in the Red Sea are under Houthis missiles, looks not good for the US.

(I realize this contradicts an earlier post)

 

[Dalit]

I don't think we will ever know the 'truth' but I suspect anywhere from 33-50% "civilians" killed by the Gazans on October 7 were actually killed by Israelis. And also note, unless the "civilians" are kids or very old, they are very likely part of the IDF "Reservists"--the same kind of people fighting against the Gazans.

With today's Israeli Supreme Court ruling against him, he is even more weak now.


The GCC Arabs are beat dogs against Israel/America/Europe combine--they did try a lot to help the Palestinians until recently--but are now protecting their rather nice lifestyle and huge investments in the West--which would be confiscated if they stray too far--look at what happening to Russia.

But even now if they can find a Sugar Daddy alternate to America for investments and protection of their regimes, they would. China is not quite willing or able to take up that role yet.

The GCC Arabs have been badly exposed. Characterless and completely humiliated. I don't think the world can view the GCC Arabs as a respectful entity after the entire debacle.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Excellent. No Veto to suspend Israel.
But I think America will exert enormous pressure on most countries--countries who have been so far 'abstaining' in the UNGA votes against Israel.

I also believe right now that won't get enough vote as i think 2/3rd of the countries must be in favor of it . but I also believe it most be discussed and it most be demanded in protests around the world , so it won't be a sudden matter and governments be on pressure from their people for it

 

[Musings]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1741889648584991227

I don’t want anyone to stand with Palestine - I want genuine intent and the world to unite and take action. I’m telling you if ALL those that have said “we stand by Israel” actually took action or boycotts or put pressure on their elected politicians - Israel would halt the genocide tomorrow…….

 

[Peregrine]

But sinking an Iranian ship in Red Sea with potentially dozens killed escalates the conflict a lot. It is one thing to have some obscure 'Iran affiliated' little militia site killed in Syria or Iraq. It is another to sink an Iranian ship in the red-hot Red Sea.
Horrible, long, large wars are often fought because a few dozens of politicians sitting at the top wouldn't want to look wimps in front of their citizens!!!

Sometimes wars are fought and men women and children die en masse because some sociopath in political leadership wants to divert the attention of the populace.

Its sickening but we live in a world where literally psychopaths runs the game.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

LOL, then what are you waiting for? The carrier group was there to provide excuse for Hezbollah and Iran frauds so they don't get embarrassed and de-legitimized. Khameni from the beginning sent messages that he is on same page with the US and Israel to prevent wider regional conflict.

Israel is not gonna attack Lebanon. Hezbollah will not do anything now that the aircraft carrier is gone. They simply are frauds and cowards who use Palestine cause to advance their nationalist agendas. If they won't even fire rockets at Haifa next door in response to the full-blown Holocaust in Gaza, what makes anyone ever think they will fight a war for Palestine?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1741643087649382493

Don't overread into withdrawal of USS Gerald Ford.
All is not well between Biden and Bibi Netanyahu. This withdrawal is an effort to pressure Netanyahu to accept ceasefire.

 

[r3alist]

The GCC Arabs are beat dogs against Israel/America/Europe combine--they did try a lot to help the Palestinians until recently--but are now protecting their rather nice lifestyle and huge investments in the West--which would be confiscated if they stray too far--look at what happening to Russia.

But even now if they can find a Sugar Daddy alternate to America for investments and protection of their regimes, they would. China is not quite willing or able to take up that role yet

This is true and I try to see their pov but it looks horribly short sighted.
They are trading their legitimacy on the Muslim Street in exchange for legitimacy in Tel aviv and Washington.

Once the novelty has worn off and Israel has cashed that GCC cheque what leverage do the gulf Arabs have?

They become more vulnerable as domestic anger grows and Shakiras hips are a lie, they won't compensate for the old oil revenue now replaced by other sources. So they become eminently discardable.

 

[Dalit]

Sometimes wars are fought and men women and children die en masse because some sociopath in political leadership wants to divert the attention of the populace.

Its sickening but we live in a world where literally psychopaths runs the game.

It is the rule of the jungle.

 

[Shawnee]

What Soleimani “provided to Palestine and the resistance has brought them to the position they are in today in terms of power and steadfastness,” Haniyeh the Hamas leader said in Tehran three years ago

Iran, Hamas & Palestinian Islamic Jihad

www.wilsoncenter.org

 

[Shawnee]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-leader-praises-soleimani-at-tehran-funeral-in-show-of-support-for-iran/amp/

 

[Khansaheeb]

Islamic world... The GCC Arabs are literally the neighbours of Palestine and haven't done anything to assist the Palestinians.

What would it take to persuade them , perhaps the Palestinians should start sending dead bodies of women and children to the so called rulers of the Muslim world?

 

[Meengla]

This is true and I try to see their pov but it looks horribly short sighted.
They are trading their legitimacy on the Muslim Street in exchange for legitimacy in Tel aviv and Washington.

Once the novelty has worn off and Israel has cashed that GCC cheque what leverage do the gulf Arabs have?

They become more vulnerable as domestic anger grows and Shakiras hips are a lie, they won't compensate for the old oil revenue now replaced by other sources. So they become eminently discardable.

You are correct.
This is a civilizational/ethnic/religious conflict which even Col. Macgregor is now starting to call 'Jewish Supremacy' in the Middle East. If, say, Egypt were to become a regional Superpower, like the Ottomans used to be for centuries, then that would be less of an 'offence'. But Israelis proudly claim to be 'The Last Outpost of the West in the Middle East' while also claiming a 3000-year old 'claim to the land. Israelis are proudly and very stupidly distancing themselves from the Middle East-- $issing on the locals. In effect calling them inferior. It's an insult to the locals even if their rulers, for the sake of expediency, are taking. But even the rulers should know that they will ALWAYS be under threat from the imperial Israelis should a trade or commerce deal wouldn't favor Israel. It is not an exaggeration to say that if the GCC or the Saudis decide to take independent foreign policy then they would be bombed!!

It is in the nature of the scorpion to sting. It is in the nature of the warmongering machine to wage wars--because that's its sustenance. You'd see that once you remove the glitters of shiny cities and dancing beautiful women.

 

[Khansaheeb]

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[r3alist]

You are correct.
This is a civilizational/ethnic/religious conflict which even Col. Macgregor is now starting to call 'Jewish Supremacy' in the Middle East. If, say, Egypt were to become a regional Superpower, like the Ottomans used to be for centuries, then that would be less of an 'offence'. But Israelis proudly claim to be 'The Last Outpost of the West in the Middle East' while also claiming a 3000-year old 'claim to the land. Israelis are proudly and very stupidly distancing themselves from the Middle East-- $issing on the locals. In effect calling them inferior. It's an insult to the locals even if their rulers, for the sake of expediency, are taking. But even the rulers should know that they will ALWAYS be under threat from the imperial Israelis should a trade or commerce deal wouldn't favor Israel. It is not an exaggeration to say that if the GCC or the Saudis decide to take independent foreign policy then they would be bombed!!

It is in the nature of the scorpion to sting. It is in the nature of the warmongering machine to wage wars--because that's its sustenance. You'd see that once you remove the glitters of shiny cities and dancing beautiful women.

Douglas McGregor, finally got the courage to say what he has wanted to say for years

The Israelis have only made a deal with the gulf ruling families, that's thousands of people not millions, not at all with the people.
the gulf states will increasingly find that they have to jump more hoops to maintain basic legitimacy with the west.

Btw Israel is moving to Jewish law, so much for Western outpost, then again they are a super power, so who cares.