Gaza-Israel Conflict | 2023-2024

why is democracy the correct way to rule because white man says it?

I did not say that. People get the government they deserve. If they want democracy, they will get it. If they want a monarchy, or communism, they get it. I do not make have any preferences of one system over any other.

All I am saying is blaming someone else for the results of your own choices and actions is extremely dishonest. That is all.

What the Arab people have chosen is their choice. If they want something different, no one can stop them. Thus, what is happening (or not happening, in this case) is their choice made clear.

and this "democracy " must be removed from the map

And who except the people themselves can do that?
 
And who except the people themselves can do that?

Zionist slaves the US Congress they have overthrown over 56 legitimate governments since WW2
 
And an Israeli top commander saying that airpower alone can't win the war in Gaza

War is merely a transitional step in a conflict. Winning or losing always happens at a negotiating table. Always.

Zionist slaves the US Congress they have overthrown over 56 legitimate governments since WW2

Interesting thought, but off topic, so I won't respond to that here, but we can take it to a more appropriate thread if you wish.
 
I am starting to see despair in user 'Comments' to articles on Israeli sites! And an Israeli top commander saying that airpower alone can't win the war in Gaza and Israelis will have to go into Gaza.
I think the death of the 14 soldiers over the last 48 hours has really struck them hard. Good!

One Comment on Time of Israel goes something like:

"It simply just hurt to come here every day and hear troops being killed, the number of soldiers killed now is more than people in hostage, and it diminishes the invisibility of IDF, if you struggle in a small piece of land like Gaza, how are you gonna fight hezbulla or Iran.. You can't kill more Palestinian that have been dead now, is either IDF hits harder or keep crawling and keep losing smart young soldiers."

IDF has been exposed. The invincibility tag is not there anymore. I firmly believe that Israel would be taken to task if it ever went head to head with Hezbollah. Iran is a different story altogether.
 
War is merely a transitional step in a conflict. Winning or losing always happens at a negotiating table. Always.

I try not to get into your philosophical / off topic posts but couldn't resist this one: No, winning or losing happens on the battlefields. The negotiating table is simply a manifestation of the reality created or changed because of the battlefields.
And the part you quoted me clearly says that a top Israeli commander saying that Israel has come to the bitter reality that they can't win Gaza using airpower alone and will have to go deep into Gaza--both above and below ground--to win the war and that would exact a high toll on Israel.
 
I try not to get into your philosophical / off topic posts but couldn't resist this one: No, winning or losing happens on the battlefields. The negotiating table is simply a manifestation of the reality created or changed because of the battlefields.
And the part you quoted me clearly says that a top Israeli commander saying that Israel has come to the bitter reality that they can't win Gaza using airpower alone and will have to go deep into Gaza--both above and below ground--to win the war and that would exact a high toll on Israel.

It is okay to disagree sir. :)
 
There is no doubt in my mind. Israel/Netanyahu will be forced to negotiate. As the IDF casualties mount Netanyahu won't have an option. There is no doubt that IDF casualties will mount.

 
Horrible destruction and chaos in Israeli cities!! How old is this video? Any Arabic users here: What's going on?

 
SUMMARY of all resistance operations on 23 December in Gaza against IOF

Al-Qassam Brigades:

  • A total of ~50 israeli soldiers were either killed/wounded today.
  • Inflicted significant casualties among IOF soldiers, both killed and wounded, in the Jabaliya Al-Balad area north of Gaza, using explosive devices, Yasin-105s & "TBG" anti-personnel and fortification explosives.
  • Detonated an explosive-laden tunnel targeting a special israeli force in the Juhr Al-Dik area, also targeting their rescue forces with heavy-caliber mortars, causing casualties.
  • Ambushed & engaged 4 IOF soldiers from point-blank range in the Qassasib neighborhood in Jabaliya Camp.
  • Destroyed 5 Merkava tanks, killing & injuring all crew members, by repurposing two unexploded 2-ton bombs dropped by IOF warplanes.
  • Shelled IOF field command rooms in the southern axis of Gaza City with heavy-caliber mortars.
  • Targeted 2 military vehicles with Yasin-105s in Sheikh Radwan neighborhood, Gaza City.
  • Ambushed an IOF soldier at point-blank range in Sheikh Radwan neighborhood, Gaza City.
  • Ambushed 4 military jeeps in a well-prepared ambush in the Juhr Al-Dik area, using explosive devices, resulting in crushing the force and killing all its members. Additionally, a Merkava tank rushing to the scene was also destroyed by a Yasin 105. The rescue & evacuation forces in the operation area were also targeted with the "Rajoom" rockets and heavy-caliber mortars.
  • Destroyed an IOF armored personnel carrier (APC) with a Yassin-105, north of Khan Yunis, causing it to catch fire.
  • Succesfully targeted 2 IOF soldiers with an RPG in Khan Yunis, resulting in their immediate death and ripping them into pieces.
  • Shelled an IOF army gathering east of Khan Yunis with mortars.
  • Targeted an IOF infantry force with an anti-personnel and other explosive devices, finishing off using machine guns, causing casualties between killed and wounded east of the Juhr Al-Dik area.
  • Targeted the infiltrated forces in the Juhr Al-Dik area, with the "Rajoom" 114mm short-range rockets

Al-Quds Brigades:

  • Shelled military vehicle movements east of Rafah with heavy-caliber mortars, causing direct and confirmed hits.
  • Targeted a Merkava tank with a "Tandem" rocket, around the Abu Sharakh roundabout in the northern axis of Gaza.
  • Shelled military concentrations in the Umm Al-Mahd area east of Khan Yunis with heavy-caliber 60mm mortars.
  • Shelled military concentrations in the Zanna’a area, east of Khan Yunis, with mortars.
  • Shelled an IOF field command center in the Zanna’a area east of Khan Yunis with mortars.
  • Shelled military vehicles, east of Rafah, with a barrage of mortars of various of other types of rockets, including Badr-1 IRAM rockets.

Martyr Omar Al-Qassem forces:

  • Clashed with israeli soldiers in the central axis of Khan Younis, firing an anti-personnel RPGs, hitting them directly.
  • Clashed with the israeli soldiers that infiltrated Abu Holi Street, and managed to launch several mortars at "Kissufim."
  • Clashed with invasion forces in central Khan Younis, using automatic rifles, hand grenades, anti-tank weapons, and explosive devices, successfully killing a number of IOF soldiers. The fighters withdrew safely.
  • Ambushed IOF forces in Sheikh Radwan neighborhood, north of the Gaza Strip, using machine guns & anti-tank rockets, forcing them to retreat and call for heavy artillery support, but their forces withdrew to their bases after inflicting severe losses.

Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades:

  • Blew up 2 IOF military vehicles in the Sheikh Radwan neighborhood in Gaza City.
  • Shelled a gathering of IOF tanks, east of Khan Younis with 120mm mortars.
  • Clashed with the IOF forces in the Al-Balad axis, in the center of Khan Younis, with heavy barrages of bullets and RPGs.

Martyr Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades:

  • Clashed with IOF forces penetrating the eastern Jabalia al-Balad axis in northern Gaza.
 


Hamas and other Palestinian resistance factions shouldn't accept this proposal. There should be no exchange of hostages unless there is a complete cessation of hostilities. Ending the aggression against Gaza should be the first priority.

On the second part about the "Establishing a #Palestinian national dialogue under #Egyptian sponsorship with the aim of 'ending the division,'" that effort should be separate from ending this conflict. It seems some wants to explore if it is possible to overthrow Hamas during the duration of this conflict. It is true the Palestinians need a national dialogue for the restoration of a Palestinian statehood; however, that should be an effort that is pushed through a hasty proposal. It should be an effort driven by Palestinians themselves, and foreign hands should stay clear from interfering it.

Lastly, any proposal that doesn't recognize the sacrifices made by the Palestinian freedom fighters and doesn't put them at the forefront for any discussion of the future Palestinian state is a plan designed to safeguard the occupation.
 
From Aliya to this! How the tables have turned!!


Some citizens of Israel have decided to migrate to Portugal after the latter decided to permit them to obtain so-called “refugee visas” under facilitated procedures.

As revealed, all Israelis who have left their country due to the war are completing the procedures very fast, with the authorities granting them the “refugee visa” within 24 hours, SchengenVisaInfo.com reports.

In order to be issued “refugee visas”, Israelis need to apply for asylum upon their arrival in Portugal and hold a valid passport.

Once the application process has been completed, Israelis are being issued the visa within 24 hours.

This type of visa allows Israelis to reside legally in Portugal as well as take up jobs. Moreover, Israelis holding this document are also entitled to financial assistance from the Portuguese government. As revealed, many Israelis in the country have already received financial support.

A refugee from Israel who applied for a “refugee visa” in Portugal said that as soon as he entered the country, he immediately went to the immigration office.

He further revealed that immediately after the Portuguese authorities knew that he was from Israel, they issued him the document within hours.

Under the current rules, all citizens of Israel arriving in Portugal are eligible for the document which permits them to reside as well as work in the country.
 

Israel-Gaza war: Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel paying 'heavy price'​



Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says the Gaza war has come at a "very heavy price" for his side.
The military says 14 more soldiers have been killed in the Palestinian territory since Friday, bringing the total of the ground assault to 153.
Saturday was one of its deadliest days - but Mr Netanyahu said his forces had "no choice" but to keep fighting.
Meanwhile, the health ministry in Gaza - run by Hamas - says another 166 people were killed in the last day.
More than 20,000 people have been killed - mostly women and children, and 54,000 injured in Gaza since 7 October, the ministry says.
Remarking on the latest Israeli troop deaths, Mr Netanyahu said: "This is a difficult morning, after a very difficult day of fighting in Gaza."

But he said his forces would continue with "full force until the end", reiterating his goals of eliminating Hamas and ensuring the safe return of hostages held in Gaza.
"Let it be clear: this will be a long war," the Israeli prime minister added.
The military later said it had killed more than 8,000 Palestinian fighters during its campaign to date - in remarks quoted by the Reuters news agency.
The Israeli operation began after Hamas fighters crossed from Gaza into southern Israel on 7 October, killing 1,200 people and taking about 240 hostages.
Israel insists that it takes steps to avoid civilian casualties, and blames Hamas for embedding itself in densely-populated areas.
US President Joe Biden - a key ally of Mr Netanyahu - emphasised the "critical need" to protect civilian lives during a call with the Israeli prime minister on Saturday, the White House said.

Mr Biden told reporters that he had not asked for a ceasefire in the call. Both men believe such a move would benefit Hamas.
On Friday, the UN Security Council approved a resolution demanding large-scale aid deliveries to Gaza - but this, too, stopped short of calling for a ceasefire between the two warring sides.
Talks held in Egypt earlier this week designed to secure a fresh truce between Israel and Hamas have so far failed to deliver results.
A Palestinian official familiar with the ceasefire negotiations told the BBC that Egypt presented a new three-stage plan that would begin with a two-week humanitarian truce - which could be extended - during which Hamas would release 40 hostages and Israel would release 120 Palestinian prisoners.
This stage would be followed by the formation of an independent body to deal with humanitarian relief and reconstruction, as well as a comprehensive ceasefire and an exchange of prisoners.
Internally displaced Palestinians prepare bread sing firewood in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip. Photo: 23 December 2023
Image source, EPA
Image caption,
Many Palestinians have been forced to flee northern Gaza to the territory's south
The Israeli military has kept up its bombing campaign in Gaza - ordering civilians to flee. The UN said the latest evacuation order affected 150,000 people in the middle of the territory.

On Saturday, Israel said 700 Palestinian militants had been arrested during its ground offensive to date.
It also said one of its fighter jets had killed Hassah Atrash, a man it accused of smuggling weapons into Gaza to arm Hamas. There has been no confirmation from Hamas.
The Israeli military has said it has almost full operational control of the north of the Gaza Strip, and is stepping up operations elsewhere.
A spokesman has said troops are entering new Hamas strongholds in southern areas.
Briefing his cabinet on Sunday, Mr Netanyahu denied suggestions the US president had persuaded him against further expanding his military operation.
The Wall Street Journal had reported that Mr Netanyahu had been talked out of attacking Hamas's ally in Lebanon, the Hezbollah group.
A government spokesperson told the BBC "the situation in the north... is intolerable" and that Israel was "trying to deter Hezbollah from dragging us into a war".
"We will continue making the necessary preparations to repel this threat from the northern border," he added.


Thousands March in Rabat Demanding End to Morocco-Israel Ties​

RABAT (Reuters) -Thousands of protesters staged one of the largest pro-Palestinian marches in Rabat on Sunday since the outbreak of the war in Gaza, demanding an end to Morocco's ties with Israel.
Protests against Israel's war in Gaza have repeatedly drawn thousands of people in Morocco since the conflict began more than two months ago, mostly led by pan-Arab and Islamist groups.
Sunday's march was co-organised by leftist groups and the outlawed but tolerated Al-Adl wal-Ihsan Islamists.
Most of the 10,000 protesters appeared to be Islamists with men marching separately from women, waving Palestinian flags and holding placards reading "resistance till victory", "stop Moroccan government normalization with Israel" and "free Palestine".
Related:
A Timeline of the Israel-Palestinian Conflict
Morocco agreed to strengthen ties with Israel in 2020, under a deal brokered by the U.S. administration under then President Donald Trump that also included Washington recognising Moroccan sovereignty over the disputed territory of Western Sahara.
Protesters in Sunday's march also called for a boycott of brands they accuse of supporting Israel.
Israel vowed to annihilate Hamas, which has ruled Gaza since 2007, after Hamas militants burst across the border fence on Oct. 7 and went on a rampage through Israeli towns, killing 1,200 people and seizing 240 hostages.
Since then, Gaza's health authorities say more than 20,000 people have been confirmed killed in Israeli strikes and a ground offensive, with thousands more missing and presumed dead under the rubble.
Despite their policy of normalising ties with Israel, Moroccan authorities have continued to back the creation of a Palestinian state and have urged a ceasefire in Gaza and the protection of all civilians there.
Although Morocco and Israel have not yet completed the process of setting up full embassies in each other's countries as they agreed, they have moved closer together, signing a defence cooperation pact.
(Reporting by Ahmed Eljechtimi; Editing by Alex Richardson)
Copyright 2023 Thomson Reuters.

 
Or may be it is you who doesn't understand? Possible.

If the people in the Middle East really want democracy, nobody, absolutely NOBODY can stop them,. USA is just a favorite flogging horse for all the local ills and choices to provide a convenient excuse, that is all.

That is the truth.
That is not the complete truth, the US has history of toppling governments including elected ones to pursue their interests. Propping up dictators and kings only helps to support this.
 
That is not the complete truth, the US has history of toppling governments including elected ones to pursue their interests. Propping up dictators and kings only helps to support this.

And yet it failed in Iran because the people wanted what they have now. My point stands: if the people want it, no one can stop them. People get the government they deserve.
 

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