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This is next-level stuff. Here’s how it goes down: one Tejas locks onto a target, sends the info over to another Tejas through a secure link, and boom — that second jet can fire an Astra missile without even switching on its radar. It's like something out of a spy movie — the enemy doesn’t even see it coming. It's similar to the U.S. Navy's NIFC-CA concept and can be extended to other aircraft like the Su-30MKI, making it a formidable capability for any air force. @Pingle
if an AWAC like Netra is in vicinity and it has been shared the info with, it could also guide the missile to its final phase, when the radar in the Astra takes over for the kill.
 
You have virtually no Pl15
Unless you have been given handful for your j10c

Your air force is equipped sd10 and amraams if your f16s still.function.effectively
I must say your level of knowledge is very appreciable. 😂
Still living under a rock?
 
This is next-level stuff. Here’s how it goes down: one Tejas locks onto a target, sends the info over to another Tejas through a secure link, and boom — that second jet can fire an Astra missile without even switching on its radar. It's like something out of a spy movie — the enemy doesn’t even see it coming. It's similar to the U.S. Navy's NIFC-CA concept and can be extended to other aircraft like the Su-30MKI, making it a formidable capability for any air force. @Pingle

Two-way data link, very simple "A shoot, B guide" technology.

I always thought that India had this very simple technology very early on.

As a result, India has just been successful..........

I need to re-understand India's military science and technology capabilities.
 
Two-way data link, very simple "A shoot, B guide" technology.

I always thought that India had this very simple technology very early on.

As a result, India has just been successful..........

I need to re-understand India's military science and technology capabilities.
While "A shoot, B guide" may sound simple, what India has achieved is far more complex and significant. NetCor1 and NetCor2 are not just basic data link systems; they represent a sophisticated, integrated combat network that connects a wide range of platforms including fighters, AWACS, ground radars, and naval assets. This isn’t just about one aircraft firing and another guiding; it’s about creating a unified battle space where every element, from aircraft to ships to ground units, shares data in real-time, enhancing situational awareness and operational effectiveness. India’s approach allows for cooperative engagement where multiple platforms can coordinate attacks, share targeting information, and execute complex maneuvers without exposing themselves. For example, an IAF aircraft can detect and track a target, share that data instantly with another fighter, which can then launch a missile without ever turning on its radar, preserving its stealth. This level of integration offers significant tactical advantages, enabling the IAF to conduct highly coordinated and precise operations in contested airspace, which is crucial in modern warfare. Moreover, India’s capabilities are not just about reactive measures but proactive strategies that enhance survivability and effectiveness. In high-intensity conflict scenarios, such as potential engagements at the LAC, these systems reduce the risk to high-value assets like AWACS by allowing ground-based crews to assist with real-time data processing, effectively extending the operational range and safety of these assets. This integrated approach ensures that even under heavy attrition, the IAF maintains a cohesive and resilient operational capability.

In essence, India’s military technology is far from rudimentary; it is a highly advanced, integrated system designed to dominate in complex, multi-domain environments, setting it apart from conventional, simple data link approaches.
 
While "A shoot, B guide" may sound simple, what India has achieved is far more complex and significant. NetCor1 and NetCor2 are not just basic data link systems; they represent a sophisticated, integrated combat network that connects a wide range of platforms including fighters, AWACS, ground radars, and naval assets. This isn’t just about one aircraft firing and another guiding; it’s about creating a unified battle space where every element, from aircraft to ships to ground units, shares data in real-time, enhancing situational awareness and operational effectiveness. India’s approach allows for cooperative engagement where multiple platforms can coordinate attacks, share targeting information, and execute complex maneuvers without exposing themselves. For example, an IAF aircraft can detect and track a target, share that data instantly with another fighter, which can then launch a missile without ever turning on its radar, preserving its stealth. This level of integration offers significant tactical advantages, enabling the IAF to conduct highly coordinated and precise operations in contested airspace, which is crucial in modern warfare. Moreover, India’s capabilities are not just about reactive measures but proactive strategies that enhance survivability and effectiveness. In high-intensity conflict scenarios, such as potential engagements at the LAC, these systems reduce the risk to high-value assets like AWACS by allowing ground-based crews to assist with real-time data processing, effectively extending the operational range and safety of these assets. This integrated approach ensures that even under heavy attrition, the IAF maintains a cohesive and resilient operational capability.

In essence, India’s military technology is far from rudimentary; it is a highly advanced, integrated system designed to dominate in complex, multi-domain environments, setting it apart from conventional, simple data link approaches.
The ideal is beautiful, but the reality is cruel.

I don't want to splash cold water on you, but you need to sober up. If you want, I can help you do some fundamental analysis, and you can look at the gap between the reality of India and your ideals.

The active equipment of the India army comes from different countries of the world and different eras. In addition to India self-made equipment, there are also equipment from Russia, France, and Israel...............
Equipment from different countries and eras have completely different data communication protocols and data communication interfaces. There is no direct real-time data exchange between them. They can only achieve simple data communication between them, or through a separate communication conversion module to achieve simple tactical data exchange. It is not possible to exchange data in full real-time.
At present, the known military data links are NATO, China, and Russia, but Russia's communication technology capabilities are poor, and the actual data link capabilities are very limited. The only internationally recognized data links suitable for modern and future warfare are NATO (the actual research and development is dominated by the United States) and China.
India's capabilities in communications technology are very limited, and the possibility of developing modern military data links on its own is almost non-existent. And India's current nationalism is rife, and the likelihood of joining NATO and using NATO's data link is low. Even with NATO's datalink, it means that all the equipment in service has to be completely updated, which is a very, very large expense.
Of course, India's friends may object to this statement. Whether it is military or civilian, the underlying logic of communication technology is exactly the same, but there are differences in technical indicators, encryption capabilities, and anti-jamming capabilities. India friends can take a look at how much of India's current civil communication system belongs to India's own technology, and how many core components of the equipment are India its own............. You can check for yourselves and then refute me. Of course, the PPT of the India government and the text slogans of the India media do not need to be issued.

Without the support of advanced military data links, how to achieve real-time data sharing across platforms and services? Without an advanced real-time data link, how can you achieve the vision you described? Link with the Great India Dream?

First try to achieve "A shooting, B guidance" between different types of fighters. For example: LCA, Su 30 MKI, Rafale any two of the three fighters, to achieve "A shooting, B guidance". And then let's look at how the vision will be realized.............

In fact, India is already lagging behind Pakistan in this regard. While India won't admit it, it's true.
 
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While "A shoot, B guide" may sound simple, what India has achieved is far more complex and significant. NetCor1 and NetCor2 are not just basic data link systems; they represent a sophisticated, integrated combat network that connects a wide range of platforms including fighters, AWACS, ground radars, and naval assets. This isn’t just about one aircraft firing and another guiding; it’s about creating a unified battle space where every element, from aircraft to ships to ground units, shares data in real-time, enhancing situational awareness and operational effectiveness. India’s approach allows for cooperative engagement where multiple platforms can coordinate attacks, share targeting information, and execute complex maneuvers without exposing themselves. For example, an IAF aircraft can detect and track a target, share that data instantly with another fighter, which can then launch a missile without ever turning on its radar, preserving its stealth. This level of integration offers significant tactical advantages, enabling the IAF to conduct highly coordinated and precise operations in contested airspace, which is crucial in modern warfare. Moreover, India’s capabilities are not just about reactive measures but proactive strategies that enhance survivability and effectiveness. In high-intensity conflict scenarios, such as potential engagements at the LAC, these systems reduce the risk to high-value assets like AWACS by allowing ground-based crews to assist with real-time data processing, effectively extending the operational range and safety of these assets. This integrated approach ensures that even under heavy attrition, the IAF maintains a cohesive and resilient operational capability.

In essence, India’s military technology is far from rudimentary; it is a highly advanced, integrated system designed to dominate in complex, multi-domain environments, setting it apart from conventional, simple data link approaches.

After China introduced the Su-35 from Russia, it could not cooperate with other Chinese fighters because the data link was not universal.

Since China has only introduced 24 Su-35s, researchers can only handle them simply. A communication system was installed on the Su-35.

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The square box circled in red in the picture is the additional module. You will know by comparing other Su-35 cockpit pictures.
 
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The ideal is beautiful, but the reality is cruel.

I don't want to splash cold water on you, but you need to sober up. If you want, I can help you do some fundamental analysis, and you can look at the gap between the reality of India and your ideals.

The active equipment of the India army comes from different countries of the world and different eras. In addition to India self-made equipment, there are also equipment from Russia, France, and Israel...............
Equipment from different countries and eras have completely different data communication protocols and data communication interfaces. There is no direct real-time data exchange between them. They can only achieve simple data communication between them, or through a separate communication conversion module to achieve simple tactical data exchange. It is not possible to exchange data in full real-time.
At present, the known military data links are NATO, China, and Russia, but Russia's communication technology capabilities are poor, and the actual data link capabilities are very limited. The only internationally recognized data links suitable for modern and future warfare are NATO (the actual research and development is dominated by the United States) and China.
India's capabilities in communications technology are very limited, and the possibility of developing modern military data links on its own is almost non-existent. And India's current nationalism is rife, and the likelihood of joining NATO and using NATO's data link is low. Even with NATO's datalink, it means that all the equipment in service has to be completely updated, which is a very, very large expense.
Of course, India's friends may object to this statement. Whether it is military or civilian, the underlying logic of communication technology is exactly the same, but there are differences in technical indicators, encryption capabilities, and anti-jamming capabilities. India friends can take a look at how much of India's current civil communication system belongs to India's own technology, and how many core components of the equipment are India its own............. You can check for yourselves and then refute me. Of course, the PPT of the India government and the text slogans of the India media do not need to be issued.

Without the support of advanced military data links, how to achieve real-time data sharing across platforms and services? Without an advanced real-time data link, how can you achieve the vision you described? Link with the Great India Dream?

First try to achieve "A shooting, B guidance" between different types of fighters. For example: LCA, Su 30 MKI, Rafale any two of the three fighters, to achieve "A shooting, B guidance". And then let's look at how the vision will be realized.............

In fact, India is already lagging behind Pakistan in this regard. While India won't admit it, it's true.
Don’t even know the name of IA’s and IAF’s network, or how they achieved it.

But yeah commenting on it with such confidence.
 
Please feel free to inform or you are also trying to show some confidence ;)
I have given enough detailed explanations about Indian TDL and radar developments on this forum.

You have to do the hard work and research about it.

Not going to repeat it, and spoonfeed anyone.
 
I have given enough detailed explanations about Indian TDL and radar developments on this forum.

You have to do the hard work and research about it.

Not going to repeat it, and spoonfeed anyone.

Where? I think i missed out your post. Can you please share your post?
 
I have given enough detailed explanations about Indian TDL and radar developments on this forum.

You have to do the hard work and research about it.

Not going to repeat it, and spoonfeed anyone.
Sorry, I usually only have rational discussions with friends who have sufficient professional knowledge.

If you think you have the basics and are willing to engage in a rational discussion, I would be more than happy to talk to you.

If you just use the inspiring "beautiful dreams" of some politicians, or the PPT of military enterprises to cheat money, I can only choose to ignore your statement.

Don’t even know the name of IA’s and IAF’s network, or how they achieved it.

But yeah commenting on it with such confidence.
China has never released the name of its own military datalink, only mentioning its existence in some reports. Chinese researchers have published many academic papers in international professional academic journals.

China has never described in detail the capabilities of China's military data links. But in international perception, no one doubts its existence, and no one doubts its capabilities. Why?

You need to understand some of the basics of the global communications industry, understand some of the basics of communications, and then start talking.
 
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Sorry, I usually only have rational discussions with friends who have sufficient professional knowledge.

If you think you have the basics and are willing to engage in a rational discussion, I would be more than happy to talk to you.

If you just use the inspiring "beautiful dreams" of some politicians, or the PPT of military enterprises to cheat money, I can only choose to ignore your statement.
Indeed. No need.

China has never released the name of its own military datalink, only mentioning its existence in some reports. Chinese researchers have published many academic papers in international professional academic journals.

China has never described in detail the capabilities of China's military data links. But in international perception, no one doubts its existence, and no one doubts its capabilities. Why?

You need to understand some of the basics of the global communications industry, understand some of the basics of communications, and then start talking.
This tells alot that how much you are involved professionally, but claiming to have sufficient "Professional" knowledge.

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First, get the so-called professional knowledge about your own military before commenting on others.
 
This is next-level stuff. Here’s how it goes down: one Tejas locks onto a target, sends the info over to another Tejas through a secure link, and boom — that second jet can fire an Astra missile without even switching on its radar. It's like something out of a spy movie — the enemy doesn’t even see it coming. It's similar to the U.S. Navy's NIFC-CA concept and can be extended to other aircraft like the Su-30MKI, making it a formidable capability for any air force. @Pingle

To be honest it is not something out of a spy movie. It has been talked of by Saab for it's Gripen fighters as well. But yes, it is a massive thing that this has been confirmed officially in this way by IAF's Software Development Institute.

So it is now confirmed that a package of Tejas Mk1/Mk1A fighters can pass on target coordinates to other Tejas Mk1/Mk1A fighters in a different package via the SDR datalink and then have a Astra Mk1 BVRAAM fired from a "nose silent" Tejas Mk1, which doesn't have it's radar switched on, to avoid detection.

It is also confirmed that all Mirage-2000s, MiG-29s, Jaguars, Su-30MKI and Tejas Mk1s have the SDR integrated now.
 
if an AWAC like Netra is in vicinity and it has been shared the info with, it could also guide the missile to its final phase, when the radar in the Astra takes over for the kill.

Yes, Netra AEW&C will also have SDR integrated, so they'll be able to share the target coordinates and the track will be used to silent fire a Astra Mk1 without having to turn on the shooter's radar.
 

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