Hangor Class Submarine | Updates & Discussion

[maverick]

The nuclear power plant for subs was completed a few years back.

wth, need more info

 

[Haji Thanos]

The nuclear power plant for subs was completed a few years back.

are u serious really?
can u tell us more

 

[Khanasifm]

Not sure how valid is this

 

[Qureshi]

Not sure how valid is this

Yup.... this is true ..... I have referred the same on below

1st HANGOR Class Submarine of Pakistan Navy has been launched at Shuangliu

https://defencepk.com/forums/threads/google-earth-images-reveal-larger-more-powerful-indian-nuclear-submarine-showcasing-its-vertical-launch-tubes.6552/ If , but, could, would..... all the typical Indian BS :ROFLMAO:. come back to us when you have actually tested missiles from a sub in deep...

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And....

Keel laying ceremony of Second Hangor Class Submarine held at Karachi Shipyard

Keel laying ceremony of Second Hangor Class Submarine held at Karachi Shipyard The keel Laying Ceremony of the second HANGOR Class Submarine was held at Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KS&EW). Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Naveed Ashraf graced the occasion as Chief Guest. As per...

defencepk.com

 

[Qureshi]

Yup.... this is true ..... I have referred the same on below

1st HANGOR Class Submarine of Pakistan Navy has been launched at Shuangliu

https://defencepk.com/forums/threads/google-earth-images-reveal-larger-more-powerful-indian-nuclear-submarine-showcasing-its-vertical-launch-tubes.6552/ If , but, could, would..... all the typical Indian BS :ROFLMAO:. come back to us when you have actually tested missiles from a sub in deep...

defencepk.com

And....

Keel laying ceremony of Second Hangor Class Submarine held at Karachi Shipyard

Keel laying ceremony of Second Hangor Class Submarine held at Karachi Shipyard The keel Laying Ceremony of the second HANGOR Class Submarine was held at Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KS&EW). Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Naveed Ashraf graced the occasion as Chief Guest. As per...

defencepk.com

Some updates on the SSK-N:

Both @伏尔戈星图 and @lyman2003 on Weibo have claimed that the SSK-Ns (nominally named the Type 041-class) are already under construction.

It is mentioned that there would be 4 boats for the 1st batch of the 041 SSK-N, with the order equally split between Jiangnan and Wuchang.

Both of them also claimed that there are photos (satellite-view and/or ground-view) which proves the above to be the case. However, until now, I'm still unable to find it, so if anyone manages to get their hands on those photos, kindly share it here.

The Army Recognition website has also reported on the matter:

Rumors emerge about China's development of a new Type 041 submarine​

Reports suggest that China might be working on a new Type 041 submarine.

Rumors emerge about China's development of a new Type 041 submarine

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armyrecognition.com

 

[guangdongt]

Some updates on the SSK-N:

Both @伏尔戈星图 and @lyman2003 on Weibo have claimed that the SSK-Ns (nominally named the Type 041-class) are already under construction.

It is mentioned that there would be 4 boats for the 1st batch of the 041 SSK-N, with the order equally split between Jiangnan and Wuchang.

Both of them also claimed that there are photos (satellite-view and/or ground-view) which proves the above to be the case. However, until now, I'm still unable to find it, so if anyone manages to get their hands on those photos, kindly share it here.

The Army Recognition website has also reported on the matter:

Rumors emerge about China's development of a new Type 041 submarine​

Reports suggest that China might be working on a new Type 041 submarine.

Rumors emerge about China's development of a new Type 041 submarine

{loadposition bannertop} Breaking news {loadposition sidebarpub}

armyrecognition.com

I am surprised that you have conducted in-depth research on Chinese networks. The 041 submarine has indeed been widely circulated online. If we could stack small nuclear reactions on conventional AIP submarines, it would be a great achievement, unlike France's miniaturized Ruby class nuclear submarines. Generally speaking, the noise of nuclear powered submarines is greater than that of conventional power because the power system generates more energy during the conversion process, and the conversion process is also more complex.
At present, the world's advanced nuclear powered submarines can only have noise levels comparable to conventional powered submarines with moderate noise levels.
If the nuclear reactor is small enough and equipped with more advanced power conversion devices, the noise will be reduced. Conventional powered AIP submarines can maintain a longer diving ability, but that comes at the cost of lower underwater speed. I, like you, pay close attention to the progress of the 041 submarine on the internet, so that conventional AIP submarines can have speed/noise/long endurance advantages at the same time. Although this cannot be compared to large nuclear submarines, this type of submarine may have good economic costs and benefits. This will have an impact on shallow/nearshore operations

 

[Qureshi]

Although this cannot be compared to large nuclear submarines, this type of submarine may have good economic costs and benefits. This will have an impact on shallow/nearshore operations

This would be an ideal way forward for PN to have moving forward rather than investing in large SSNs to counter IN-SSNs, as I have been emphasizing since the project's inception.

 

[guangdongt]

This would be an ideal way forward for PN to have moving forward rather than investing in large SSNs to counter IN-SSNs, as I have been emphasizing since the project's inception.

A single weapon platform is easily targeted and countered by opponents. Modern warfare is a system warfare, where multiple weapon platforms are mixed for combat. China's development of submarine platforms is also diverse, because we are constantly facing pressure from the world's only superpower. In my opinion, Pakistan is pragmatic, which can be a future choice. At present, it is necessary to digest and absorb the construction technology of conventional AIP submarines

 

[Qureshi]

A single weapon platform is easily targeted and countered by opponents. Modern warfare is a system warfare, where multiple weapon platforms are mixed for combat. China's development of submarine platforms is also diverse, because we are constantly facing pressure from the world's only superpower. In my opinion, Pakistan is pragmatic, which can be a future choice. At present, it is necessary to digest and absorb the construction technology of conventional AIP submarines

The notion of my statement was off-the shelf option as an alternate to full fledge SSN.

Since acquiring A90Bs, then MLU-ed, and now building 039Bs, PN has gained substantial expertise in SSKs (AIP).

Additionally, PN is in serious discussions with Turkish and Italian consortiums regarding their respective shallow water SSP designs; nevertheless, PN leans towards the latter, as has been highlighted in other threads too. Furthermore, PN has revisited its doctrine & switched from midget subs to 600/800t SSPs, which is important to note here.

If you follow the above descriptions, which show that PN is already on that path (SSK-N, though plans are still pending), it is a well-thought-out and wise decision that will establish PN as a formidable force (subs).

- 03 SSKs (A90Bs)
- 08 SSKs (Type 039Bs)
- 08 SSPs (Fincaantieri S800/STM 600)
- 06 SSK-Ns (Type-041/??)

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

If you follow the above descriptions, which show that PN is already on that path (SSK-N, though plans are still pending), it is a well-thought-out and wise decision that will establish PN as a formidable force (subs).

- 03 SSKs (A90Bs)
- 08 SSKs (Type 039Bs)
- 08 SSPs (Fincaantieri S800/STM 600)
- 06 SSK-Ns (Type-041/??)

You may add the Turkish indigenous 3K+ tons MILDEN (National Submarine with the German DNA in design and metallurgy, and the NATO DNA in sensors, armaments, EW and battle management) too if the PN follows the MILGEM path to Jinnah-class frigates (TOT with local production having local inputs)! The Pak military planners like to have a blend of the West and the East in their capabilities to optimize their deterrence against Bharat. The design phase will be completed by 2025, and the construction by 2031....

Milli Denizaltı (MİLDEN) Projesi

2015’te Yeni Tip Denizaltı Projesi kapsamında yüksek yerli katlı payı ile Type-214TN (Reis) sınıfı denizaltıların yapımına başlayan Türkiye, Haziran 2017’de

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[Qureshi]

You may add the Turkish indigenous 3K+ tons MILDEN (National Submarine with the German DNA in design and metallurgy, and the NATO DNA in sensors, armaments, EW and battle management) too if the PN follows the MILGEM path to Jinnah-class frigates (TOT with local production having local inputs)! The Pak military planners like to have a blend of the West and the East in their capabilities to optimize their deterrence against Bharat. The design phase will be completed by 2025, and the construction by 2031....

Milli Denizaltı (MİLDEN) Projesi

2015’te Yeni Tip Denizaltı Projesi kapsamında yüksek yerli katlı payı ile Type-214TN (Reis) sınıfı denizaltıların yapımına başlayan Türkiye, Haziran 2017’de

mavivatan.net

I doubt that PN will give any other SSK design any significant thought after acquiring 039Bs and MLU of A90Bs. They are currently concentrating most of their attention on SSPs, and either the Fincaantieri S800 or STM 600 will be approved.

Additionally, type 41/?? (SSK-N) is a very unique design in which the Chinese have integrated multiple systems onto a single platform, making this submarine literally one of the formidable in its class. Below are few characteristics (need verification).

• Type-41?? is based on the 039C design and has VLS, similar to S. Korean KSS-III, but heavier in tonnage +4.5k.
• The upcoming sub (SSK-N ??) is in development phase (4 units under construction) & haven't got any designation yet, Chinese are developing mini reactor for it.
• This AIP (SSK-N??) will be equipped with lithium-ion batteries along with mini reactor enable her to stay submerged for extended time with other advantages in comparison to SSKs.

In contrast to obtaining SSN to counter IN's SSN threat, this impending sub is a great low-cost alternative for PN (if they choses) and will take precedence over any other SSK choices.

 

[Bossman]

I doubt that PN will give any other SSK design any significant thought after acquiring 039Bs and MLU of A90Bs. They are currently concentrating most of their attention on SSPs, and either the Fincaantieri S800 or STM 600 will be approved.

Additionally, type 41/?? (SSK-N) is a very unique design in which the Chinese have integrated multiple systems onto a single platform, making this submarine literally one of the formidable in its class. Below are few characteristics (need verification).

• Type-41?? is based on the 039C design and has VLS, similar to S. Korean KSS-III, but heavier in tonnage +4.5k.
• The upcoming sub (SSK-N ??) is in development phase (4 units under construction) & haven't got any designation yet, Chinese are developing mini reactor for it.
• This AIP (SSK-N??) will be equipped with lithium-ion batteries along with mini reactor enable her to stay submerged for extended time with other advantages in comparison to SSKs.

In contrast to obtaining SSN to counter IN's SSN threat, this impending sub is a great low-cost alternative for PN (if they choses) and will take precedence over any other SSK choices.

Something is has been going on for years in the Naval Dockyard, which is always under wraps. There are also rumors of PAEC working on an indigenous small high pressure nuclear power plant. It’s all conjecture but let’s see when the wraps are lifted. Remember the Agosta 90B were built in the Naval Dock Yard and not the Karachi Ship Yard.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I doubt that PN will give any other SSK design any significant thought after acquiring 039Bs and MLU of A90Bs. They are currently concentrating most of their attention on SSPs, and either the Fincaantieri S800 or STM 600 will be approved.

Additionally, type 41/?? (SSK-N) is a very unique design in which the Chinese have integrated multiple systems onto a single platform, making this submarine literally one of the formidable in its class. Below are few characteristics (need verification).

• Type-41?? is based on the 039C design and has VLS, similar to S. Korean KSS-III, but heavier in tonnage +4.5k.
• The upcoming sub (SSK-N ??) is in development phase (4 units under construction) & haven't got any designation yet, Chinese are developing mini reactor for it.
• This AIP (SSK-N??) will be equipped with lithium-ion batteries along with mini reactor enable her to stay submerged for extended time with other advantages in comparison to SSKs.

In contrast to obtaining SSN to counter IN's SSN threat, this impending sub is a great low-cost alternative for PN (if they choses) and will take precedence over any other SSK choices.

Guess what? Turkey is working on a mini nuclear reactor for submarines. Moreover, indigenous vertical launchers are being integrated into the surface platforms. The extension of this capability into submarines is a natural progression....

Turkey has indigenously produced the most critical mid-section of a sub where vertical launchers can be placed....

 

[Qureshi]

Something is has been going on for years in the Naval Dockyard, which is always under wraps. There are also rumors of PAEC working on an indigenous small high pressure nuclear power plant. It’s all conjecture but let’s see when the wraps are lifted. Remember the Agosta 90B were built in the Naval Dock Yard and not the Karachi Ship Yard.

Nope, dear. It may be anything, but it's definitely not a mini-reactor.

Secondly, as we just assembled A90Bs and now hangors, building submarines (SSk) is a very difficult task for which PN Dockyard or Karachi Ship Yard are ill-equipped. Hence, forget constructing nuke-subs.

If PN opt this Chinese sub then its going to be constructed in China not in Pakistan, simply we don't have that expertise.

 

[Qureshi]

Guess what? Turkey is working on a mini nuclear reactor for submarines. Moreover, indigenous vertical launchers are being integrated into the surface platforms. The extension of this capability into submarines is a natural progression....

Turkey has indigenously produced the most critical mid-section of a sub where vertical launchers can be placed....

Dear, The design phase of Turkish SSKs is presently underway, with building scheduled to begin by the end of this decade. As the design develops during the course of construction, planners may choose to incorporate VLS and mini-reactors into the SSKs, possibly after 2035.

Since four of these submarines are now being built, the Chinese may have more than 20 of these on active service by then.