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MacArthur's mission. Now shall I point out why he was sent home?

The US suffered North Korea like set backs in war with Germany and Japan as well but defeated both adversaries because it absolutely wanted to. There was a national consensus on these matters. But the US was not interested in expanding the war to China in the Korean war, there was no national consensus on this matter. Please read history fully and not selectively. Then you will understand.
MacArthur was sent home because he wanted to use nulear bombs against China which could lead the whole world into a nulcear war, If he was sacked because of his intended expansion of the war, he would have been fired long before he got his position to shell Chinese villages and towns from across the Yalu river.

China strongly warned US lead UN troops not to cross the 38th parallel but US didn't listen, China's red line was always the 38th parallel and the ultimate goal was also always that.

Throughtout China-Korea's thousands of years bilateral history, China always knows a united Korea is not in China's favor and China always wants to see a divided Korea. Mao was a renowned historian and nationalist, he knew what China wants, ideology always comes to the back burner when it comes to national interests for Mao, and that's why China fell out with the Soviet Union, the clash of national interests.
 
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MacArthur was sent home because he wanted to use nulear bombs against China which could lead the whole world into a nulcear war, If he was sacked because of his intended expansion of the war, he would have been fired long before he got his position to shell Chinese villages and towns from across the Yalu river.

China strongly warned US lead UN troops not to cross the 38th parallel but US didn't listen, China's red line was always the 38th parallel and the ultimate goal was also always that.

Throughtout China-Korea's thousands of years bilateral history, China always knows a united Korea is not in China's favor and China always wants to see a divided Korea. Mao was a renowned historian and nationalist, he knew what China wants, ideology always comes to the back burner when it comes to national interests for Mao, and that's why China fell out with the Soviet Union, the clash of national interests.
Mate, read this:

"The general assured the president that the Korean War would be short-lived and that the American troops would be home by Christmas. MacArthur was initially successful in driving back the North Korean forces over the 38th parallel. He made a controversial move, however, when he continued to push the North Koreans further north and suggested bombing cities in China that were thought to be aiding the North Korean troops. In pushing for a larger conflict, MacArthur downplayed the risk of inciting a massive war in Asia.

President Truman’s main concern was saving as many lives as possible, even if that meant signing a ceasefire along the 38th parallel. General MacArthur did not think a ceasefire was an appropriate solution. The two men clashed. For Truman, the war represented an opportunity to stop the spread of communism into South Korea. For MacArthur, the war was an opportunity to liberate the North from communist control, and aggressive action was required.

MacArthur thwarted Truman’s attempt to negotiate a ceasefire when the general ordered his troops to invade North Korea and push the NKPA up past the 38th parallel. This was not the first time the general had ignored direct orders from his Commander in Chief. On April 11, 1951, President Truman officially relieved Douglas MacArthur of his command. Word of his firing spread quickly, and the American public found the news upsetting. Truman felt that his decision was just because MacArthur had overstepped his authority, defied direct orders from his superior and interfered with Truman’s hope of ending the Korean War quickly."

 
Mate, read this:

President Truman’s main concern was saving as many lives as possible, even if that meant signing a ceasefire along the 38th parallel. General MacArthur did not think a ceasefire was an appropriate solution. The two men clashed. For Truman, the war represented an opportunity to stop the spread of communism into South Korea. For MacArthur, the war was an opportunity to liberate the North from communist control, and aggressive action was required.
It's an US lie, China repeatedly warned US not to cross 38th parallel or China would not sit idle, US just didn't listen. It took some time for US troops to move from 38th parallel line to the very Chinese border, but US didn't do anything to change course or at least slow down the advance to the very border.
MacArthur was hailed as a hero who he was fast approaching the Chinese border, he wasn't fired untill after losing several humiliating battles, he just lost his marbles and demanded nuclear attack on China.


U.S. Army Intelligence Center of Excellence

by Erin E. Thompson, USAICoE Staff Historian
3 OCTOBER 1950
On 3 October 1950, the U.S. State Department forwarded a warning to the Department of the Army from Chinese Foreign Minister Zhou Enlai. In it, he threatened Chinese military involvement in North Korea should United Nations (UN) forces cross the 38th parallel.

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Total Industrial and agricultural output of China vs US in 1950, The Korean War year, now this chart is reversed.

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It's an US lie, China repeatedly warned US not to cross 38th parallel or China would not sit idle, US just didn't listen. It took some time for US troops to move from 38th parallel line to the very Chinese border, but US didn't do anything to change course or at least slow down the advance to the very border.
MacArthur was hailed as a hero who he was fast approaching the Chinese border, he wasn't fired untill after losing several humiliating battles, he just lost his marbles and demanded nuclear attack on China.




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Thanks for the share. Let's have a look at the link you shared.

American intelligence organizations were aware of communist China’s relationship with North Korea and the Soviet Union after World War II. However, Assistant Chief of Staff, G-2, Maj. Gen. A.R. Bolling became especially interested in the nation’s activities after General Douglas MacArthur’s successful landing at Incheon in mid-September 1950. [See "This Week in MI History" #57 15 September 1950] By that time, increased political tensions between China and UN-affiliated nations prevented the Army from gaining valuable intelligence about China’s willingness to send troops to aid North Korea. To boost these intelligence efforts, the U.S. State Department reached an agreement with India’s ambassador to Beijing, Dr. Sardar K.M. Panikkar, to serve as a go-between for information regarding China’s readiness to enter the conflict.

On 25 September, Ambassador Panikkar reported to General Bolling that it appeared “Communist China herself will not intervene in the conflict.” This was contrary to the State Department and the Army’s beliefs about China’s intentions, as they had known since mid-summer the Chinese were amassing supplies along the border. Just two days later, U.S. and South Korean (ROK) forces captured Seoul, pushing North Korean forces back across the 38th parallel. According to Panikkar, the rhetoric of Chinese President Mao Zedong and Zhou regarding the war drastically changed after the seizure of the South Korean capital.

On 3 October 1950, the State Department received official confirmation from Zhou, via Ambassador Panikkar,
that the CCF would provide support to the North Korean Army should UN Forces cross the 38th parallel. However, by the time this memo reached the Army, units from the ROK Army and U.S. 2d Infantry Division had already crossed the border between North and South Korea.



This information suggests that China wasn't a neutral party in the Korean War and was supporting North Korea. Secondly, communication gaps between the US and China set the stage for conflict between the two sides in the Korean War.

American President Harry Truman approved American military action in North Korea:

A crisis decision involves “a response to a high threat to values, either immediate or long range, where there is little time for decision under conditions of surprise.”1 North Korea’s surprise decision in June 1950 to cross the 38th parallel dividing it from South Korea placed the administration of Harry Truman in a crisis mode. It compelled the president to make two distinct decisions. Shortly after the invasion, Truman had to decide whether to assist South Korea militarily. His decision to help led to the implementation of a UN military counterattack under the leadership of General Douglas MacArthur. After the UN forces pushed the North Korean troops to retreat to their homeland, Truman faced a second critical decision: Whether to allow MacArthur’s forces to cross the 38th parallel in an attempt to unify the Korean peninsula under a regime friendly to the United States. Despite being forewarned by China that it would not tolerate such an act, Truman authorized MacArthur and his forces to march into North Korea. China responded with a massive attack. A costly war of attrition ensued. On July 27, 1953, the parties involved in the conflict signed an armistice agreement. The two Koreas remained divided.


I am absolutely correct to point out that Truman wasn't interested in invasion of China or expanding the war to China. Following is my statement back in post # 30:

"But the US was not interested in expanding the war to China in the Korean war, there was no national consensus on this matter."

The US wasn't preparing to fight a war with China. The US dispatched a force to North Korea that was sufficient to handle North Korean resistance but not the Chinese army.

"Prisoner interrogations in the weeks following the UN Force’s advance across the 38th parallel proved the CCF began deploying between 260,000–300,000 troops into North Korea as early as 13–14 October. Despite all its efforts, Army intelligence was unable to gather conclusive evidence of the scale of the Chinese intervention, leading to disastrous consequences when the Army met the CCF head-on in November 1950."

The clashes between US-led forces in North Korea and the Chinese troops led to the Battle of the Chosin Reservoir wherein US-led forces withdrew from North Korea and the communist forces reached Seoul in 1951 in connection with China's The 1951 Spring Offensive. Visual illustration shown below:

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The US-led forces REGROUPED in Pusan under the command of General Ridgeway to recover a chunk of South Korea from the communist forces and he succeeded in this mission. A number of battles took place during this phase of the Korean War including the Third Battle of Seoul wherein US-led forces liberated Seoul for the 2nd time followed by the Battle of Mungyeong:



The Korean War concluded in 1953 with an armistice agreement between the US, North Korea, and China. Both North Korea and China accepted existence of South Korea as a separate country. This is the complete picture.
 
Thanks for the share. Let's have a look at the link you shared.

American intelligence organizations were aware of communist China’s relationship with North Korea and the Soviet Union after World War II. However, Assistant Chief of Staff, G-2, Maj. Gen. A.R. Bolling became especially interested in the nation’s activities after General Douglas MacArthur’s successful landing at Incheon in mid-September 1950. [See "This Week in MI History" #57 15 September 1950] By that time, increased political tensions between China and UN-affiliated nations prevented the Army from gaining valuable intelligence about China’s willingness to send troops to aid North Korea. To boost these intelligence efforts, the U.S. State Department reached an agreement with India’s ambassador to Beijing, Dr. Sardar K.M. Panikkar, to serve as a go-between for information regarding China’s readiness to enter the conflict.

On 25 September, Ambassador Panikkar reported to General Bolling that it appeared “Communist China herself will not intervene in the conflict.” This was contrary to the State Department and the Army’s beliefs about China’s intentions, as they had known since mid-summer the Chinese were amassing supplies along the border. Just two days later, U.S. and South Korean (ROK) forces captured Seoul, pushing North Korean forces back across the 38th parallel. According to Panikkar, the rhetoric of Chinese President Mao Zedong and Zhou regarding the war drastically changed after the seizure of the South Korean capital.

On 3 October 1950, the State Department received official confirmation from Zhou, via Ambassador Panikkar,
that the CCF would provide support to the North Korean Army should UN Forces cross the 38th parallel. However, by the time this memo reached the Army, units from the ROK Army and U.S. 2d Infantry Division had already crossed the border between North and South Korea.



This information suggests that China wasn't a neutral party in the Korean War and was supporting North Korea. Secondly, communication gaps between the US and China set the stage for conflict between the two sides in the Korean War.

American President Harry Truman approved American military action in North Korea:

A crisis decision involves “a response to a high threat to values, either immediate or long range, where there is little time for decision under conditions of surprise.”1 North Korea’s surprise decision in June 1950 to cross the 38th parallel dividing it from South Korea placed the administration of Harry Truman in a crisis mode. It compelled the president to make two distinct decisions. Shortly after the invasion, Truman had to decide whether to assist South Korea militarily. His decision to help led to the implementation of a UN military counterattack under the leadership of General Douglas MacArthur. After the UN forces pushed the North Korean troops to retreat to their homeland, Truman faced a second critical decision: Whether to allow MacArthur’s forces to cross the 38th parallel in an attempt to unify the Korean peninsula under a regime friendly to the United States. Despite being forewarned by China that it would not tolerate such an act, Truman authorized MacArthur and his forces to march into North Korea. China responded with a massive attack. A costly war of attrition ensued. On July 27, 1953, the parties involved in the conflict signed an armistice agreement. The two Koreas remained divided.


I am absolutely correct to point out that Truman wasn't interested in invasion of China or expanding the war to China. Following is my statement back in post # 30:

"But the US was not interested in expanding the war to China in the Korean war, there was no national consensus on this matter."

The US wasn't preparing to fight a war with China. The US dispatched a force to North Korea that was sufficient to handle North Korean resistance but not the Chinese army.

"Prisoner interrogations in the weeks following the UN Force’s advance across the 38th parallel proved the CCF began deploying between 260,000–300,000 troops into North Korea as early as 13–14 October. Despite all its efforts, Army intelligence was unable to gather conclusive evidence of the scale of the Chinese intervention, leading to disastrous consequences when the Army met the CCF head-on in November 1950."

The clashes between US-led forces in North Korea and the Chinese troops led to the Battle of the Chosin Reservoir wherein US-led forces withdrew from North Korea and the communist forces reached Seoul in 1951 in connection with China's The 1951 Spring Offensive. Visual illustration shown below:

map_phase_3.png



The US-led forces REGROUPED in Pusan under the command of General Ridgeway to recover a chunk of South Korea from the communist forces and he succeeded in this mission. A number of battles took place during this phase of the Korean War including the Third Battle of Seoul wherein US-led forces liberated Seoul for the 2nd time followed by the Battle of Mungyeong:



The Korean War concluded in 1953 with an armistice agreement between the US, North Korea, and China. Both North Korea and China accepted existence of South Korea as a separate country. This is the complete picture.
China repeatedly warned US not to cross 38th parallel and explictily told US China would intervene if it did, but US doesn't listen, what's the reason for it is debateable, and it doesn't really matter whether it's due to wrong intelligence or US believed China was very weak and in no position to carry out the threat.

China's goal was to push US away from her border, it's the bottomline from day one, the red line was always the 38th parallel, you better read some Chinese and Korean history and see things from Chinese perspective, China never wanted to see an unified Korea, a divided Korea was what China throughout the history trying to make and keep. and Mao was a renowned Chinese historian and radical Chinese nationalist, he would do everything which suits China's national interest, case in point, a divided Korea.

You seem to read too much about the Korean war from western point of view or at least western sources and record. We read both from the Chinese side and western side, and because we are Chinese, we know better why China fought that war , we have more balanced view due to the advantage of reading both Chinese and English documents.
 
The US-led forces REGROUPED in Pusan under the command of General Ridgeway to recover a chunk of South Korea from the communist forces and he succeeded in this mission. A number of battles took place during this phase of the Korean War including the Third Battle of Seoul wherein US-led forces liberated Seoul for the 2nd time followed by the Battle of Mungyeong:


That because all battles south of 38th parallel were fought half heartedly, China didn't want to push over that line if not for Kim Il Sung‘s persistent request, to show some solidarity, China went through the motion of further attacks but soon pulled back, China had already achieved her goal and there's no point of risking all to push the war further, if you or me the then Chinese top leaders, would definitely choose to do the same.
 
The Korean War concluded in 1953 with an armistice agreement between the US, North Korea, and China. Both North Korea and China accepted existence of South Korea as a separate country. This is the complete picture.
China was the victorious party, she was happy to keep what she had already achieved and US was the beaten party, if US accepts the fact of being beaten back to South Korea, why China shoud disagree?
 
China repeatedly warned US not to cross 38th parallel and explictily told US China would intervene if it did, but US doesn't listen, what's the reason for it is debateable, and it doesn't really matter whether it's due to wrong intelligence or US believed China was very weak and in no position to carry out the threat.

China's goal was to push US away from her border, it's the bottomline from day one, the red line was always the 38th parallel, you better read some Chinese and Korean history and see things from Chinese perspective, China never wanted to see an unified Korea, a divided Korea was what China throughout the history trying to make and keep. and Mao was a renowned Chinese historian and radical Chinese nationalist, he would do everything which suits China's national interest, case in point, a divided Korea.

You seem to read too much about the Korean war from western point of view or at least western sources and record. We read both from the Chinese side and western side, and because we are Chinese, we know better why China fought that war , we have more balanced view due to the advantage of reading both Chinese and English documents.
Mate, you make it sound like as if there was a digital mail service in 1950 to ensure that the US was fully aware of Chinese intent in the Korean War. The link that you shared with me in post # 33 suggests otherwise and I shed light on it in post # 35.

Yes, China certainly showed to the world at large that it was a battle-hardened and capable force in the Korean War. I never disputed this fact in my posts but I do not agree with the Chinese overhype of the American threat in the Korean War that I see in this forum. Yes, China defeated US-led forces in the Battle of Chosin Reservoir to liberate North Korea but your view ignores the fact that the US wasn't prepared to fight a war with China in North Korea, the American military juggernaut that was witnessed in World War 2 was not found in the Korean War. Chinese military officers also noticed the obvious:

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That is not surprising because the US did not plan and start the Korean War to begin with; North Korea invaded South Korea with support of Soviet Union in 1950.

The US had significantly reduced the size of its army in the late 1940s and it was also lacking in useful equipment consequently:

The United States Army had fought well in World War II and succeeded in simultaneously defeating two competent and determined enemies on separate fronts. After World War II, however, the Army underwent tremendous change and upheaval. Task Force Smith represented a vastly different Army from the Army of 1945. First and foremost, the Army was a significantly smaller force in 1950, only seven percent of its size in 1945. Yet it also represented the largest peacetime Army ever fielded up to that point, and benefited from the largest peacetime budgets ever. The Army had changed as well in another crucial aspect: It was the first conscripted peacetime force in U.S. history.
(Epley, 1999)

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Although there were more modern weapons developed and fielded in the latter stages of World War II, they were not produced or bought in mass quantities. As a result, for example, most armor units remained equipped with the M4 Sherman tank rather than the newer M26. In fact, production of M26 tanks had ceased in 1946. General Eisenhower noted in 1948 that the current supply of modern weapons procured at the close of World War II “was not enough for training and equipping the Army and its civilian components.”
(Epley, 1999)

Now that is not to say that the US was useless in the Korean War. US-led forces managed to liberate South Korea from North Korea with impressive tactics and were capable of regime change in North Korea in theory but China saved North Korea. China-led forces also overran northern areas of South Korea all the way to the so-called 37th parallel but US-led forces regrouped in Pusan and managed to liberate entire South Korea from a more powerful communist force. However, President Truman was not interested in expanding the war further and concluded it at the 38th parallel in 1953. In the end, the US achieved its primary objective in the Korean War and South Korea stands tall in modern times. But to be fair, China has its own claim to fame in the Korean War with preservation of North Korea. So both the US and China have something to boast about in the Korean War. I give credit to both sides where due.

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In late September, the triumphant UN forces under General Douglas McArthur's seemingly invincible command crossed the 38th parallel. While the UN troops were marching toward the Yalu River, Washington's intelligence analysts insisted that the People's Republic of China (PRC) would not intervene, and their prediction continued to hold even after some Chinese prisoners of war (POWs) had been caught. Given China's war-torn economy and the weakness of the military of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) analysts were convinced Beijing had no reason to involve itself in the Korean conflict. There is little wonder why the Americans were so surprised when massive Chinese Communist forces with Soviet air cover emerged in front of them, pushing them back south of the 38th parallel. "It's an entirely new war," a war for which McArthur and other American policy makers and analysts failed to prepare themselves.

Could the US do much better in the Korean War with a well-planned campaign and preparation for this conflict in advance? Absolutely. But the Americans were not expecting a major conflict in this region and did not prepare for it. The Americans were rather caught off-guard in this conflict.

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I am trying to understand the Chinese political view of the Korean War but it seems to be extreme. There are so many articles to cite in relation.




The less is said about it the better.

That because all battles south of 38th parallel were fought half heartedly, China didn't want to push over that line if not for Kim Il Sung‘s persistent request, to show some solidarity, China went through the motion of further attacks but soon pulled back, China had already achieved her goal and there's no point of risking all to push the war further, if you or me the then Chinese top leaders, would definitely choose to do the same.
I don't think "half heartedly" explains it because it was a significant military push from China and many battles were fought in the region and many Chinese troops lost their lives in these clashes. An army needs impressive logistics capability to advance deep inside enemy territory but it will not be possible to cut through US-led forces in every region subject to its strength and composition that might vary from region to region. It was quiet a show of force from China at the time and everything to be proud of from the Chinese standpoint, but there was a limit to what China could do in the region. The US knows well enough how to cripple logistics capability of an advancing force and it has a terrifying air power that can be used to level entire countries. You think that destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was impressive? You need to check photos of the much larger Tokyo in 1945.

 
We don't have much info about Chinese AESA radar what we do know is that J20 radom is bigger than F-22 So they should be able to carry more T/R modules. The other thing is F-22 AESA is GaAs while J20 AESA is probably 2 generations ahead GaAs->Ga-Ni->GaOx->GA- software enabler
Size of the radome isn't an accurate measure of the number of T/R modules that can be mounted on the radar and does not necessarily correlate with performance. The US has been stacking T/R modules since the early 2000’s using a technique called ‘flip chip’. The relatively small nose of the F/A 18 Super Hornet accomadetes 1,100 TR modules. The limiting factor is power and cooling.
 
Yes, China certainly showed to the world at large that it was a battle-hardened and capable force in the Korean War. I never disputed this fact in my posts but I do not agree with the Chinese overhype of the American threat in the Korean War that I see in this forum. Yes, China defeated US-led forces in the Battle of Chosin Reservoir to liberate North Korea but your view ignores the fact that the US wasn't prepared to fight a war with China in North Korea, the American military juggernaut that was witnessed in World War 2 was not found in the Korean War. Chinese military officers also noticed the obvious:
If US didn't intend to fight a full scale war with China it shouldn't come to the Yalu river and shelled Chinese towns and villages.
We can clearly see that US didn't want to engage China in an open war in Vietnam, which US was very cautious not to get to anywhere near the Chinese border and even when China took over the Paracel islands from the South Vietnam, US' 7th fleet just stood by nearby and did nothing.

But we didn't see that in Korean war, In Korean war US just thought China was a pushover, either China joined the war or not wouldn't affect the result for the slightest, it would be just another slaughter.
 
Mate, you make it sound like as if there was a digital mail service in 1950 to ensure that the US was fully aware of Chinese intent in the Korean War. The link that you shared with me in post # 33 suggests otherwise and I shed light on it in post # 35.

Yes, China certainly showed to the world at large that it was a battle-hardened and capable force in the Korean War. I never disputed this fact in my posts but I do not agree with the Chinese overhype of the American threat in the Korean War that I see in this forum. Yes, China defeated US-led forces in the Battle of Chosin Reservoir to liberate North Korea but your view ignores the fact that the US wasn't prepared to fight a war with China in North Korea, the American military juggernaut that was witnessed in World War 2 was not found in the Korean War. Chinese military officers also noticed the obvious:

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That is not surprising because the US did not plan and start the Korean War to begin with; North Korea invaded South Korea with support of Soviet Union in 1950.

The US had significantly reduced the size of its army in the late 1940s and it was also lacking in useful equipment consequently:

The United States Army had fought well in World War II and succeeded in simultaneously defeating two competent and determined enemies on separate fronts. After World War II, however, the Army underwent tremendous change and upheaval. Task Force Smith represented a vastly different Army from the Army of 1945. First and foremost, the Army was a significantly smaller force in 1950, only seven percent of its size in 1945. Yet it also represented the largest peacetime Army ever fielded up to that point, and benefited from the largest peacetime budgets ever. The Army had changed as well in another crucial aspect: It was the first conscripted peacetime force in U.S. history.
(Epley, 1999)

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Although there were more modern weapons developed and fielded in the latter stages of World War II, they were not produced or bought in mass quantities. As a result, for example, most armor units remained equipped with the M4 Sherman tank rather than the newer M26. In fact, production of M26 tanks had ceased in 1946. General Eisenhower noted in 1948 that the current supply of modern weapons procured at the close of World War II “was not enough for training and equipping the Army and its civilian components.”
(Epley, 1999)

Now that is not to say that the US was useless in the Korean War. US-led forces managed to liberate South Korea from North Korea with impressive tactics and were capable of regime change in North Korea in theory but China saved North Korea. China-led forces also overran northern areas of South Korea all the way to the so-called 37th parallel but US-led forces regrouped in Pusan and managed to liberate entire South Korea from a more powerful communist force. However, President Truman was not interested in expanding the war further and concluded it at the 38th parallel in 1953. In the end, the US achieved its primary objective in the Korean War and South Korea stands tall in modern times. But to be fair, China has its own claim to fame in the Korean War with preservation of North Korea. So both the US and China have something to boast about in the Korean War. I give credit to both sides where due.

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In late September, the triumphant UN forces under General Douglas McArthur's seemingly invincible command crossed the 38th parallel. While the UN troops were marching toward the Yalu River, Washington's intelligence analysts insisted that the People's Republic of China (PRC) would not intervene, and their prediction continued to hold even after some Chinese prisoners of war (POWs) had been caught. Given China's war-torn economy and the weakness of the military of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) analysts were convinced Beijing had no reason to involve itself in the Korean conflict. There is little wonder why the Americans were so surprised when massive Chinese Communist forces with Soviet air cover emerged in front of them, pushing them back south of the 38th parallel. "It's an entirely new war," a war for which McArthur and other American policy makers and analysts failed to prepare themselves.

Could the US do much better in the Korean War with a well-planned campaign and preparation for this conflict in advance? Absolutely. But the Americans were not expecting a major conflict in this region and did not prepare for it. The Americans were rather caught off-guard in this conflict.

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I am trying to understand the Chinese political view of the Korean War but it seems to be extreme. There are so many articles to cite in relation.




The less is said about it the better.


I don't think "half heartedly" explains it because it was a significant military push from China and many battles were fought in the region and many Chinese troops lost their lives in these clashes. An army needs impressive logistics capability to advance deep inside enemy territory but it will not be possible to cut through US-led forces in every region subject to its strength and composition that might vary from region to region. It was quiet a show of force from China at the time and everything to be proud of from the Chinese standpoint, but there was a limit to what China could do in the region. The US knows well enough how to cripple logistics capability of an advancing force and it has a terrifying air power that can be used to level entire countries. You think that destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was impressive? You need to check photos of the much larger Tokyo in 1945.

The thing most people overlook is the size of that UN force, that force (with roughly 200,000 UN troop, augmented by roughly 500,000 ROK force in 1950) is not going to be enough to occupy the entire Korean peninsula. A lot of area behind the frontline, especially when the UN pushes forward were unguarded, that's because most of the UN troop were fighting in the front and emptied out the rear for their rear guard. Frequently after the Chinese had broken the frontline, they either have a straight shot to the divisional HQ or have some shoddy line formed by REMF (like clerk, chef and so on) between them and the Division HQ.

So when the Chinese rolled up the UN flank (like in Battle of Unsan or Chosin Reservoir) there are no one behind that frontline to stem the flow. That's result in the complete collapse of the front line. Back in those day, a division in in charge of a 10km line, and you generally put 2 Regiment on the line and left one for reserve (So placing them between the line and the HQ) but in most case, UN/ROK unit put all 3 regiment abreast because of lack of available division to man the frontline, which mean if the line broken at any place, you threaten the Division HQ, and they would have to collapse the line, or risk being captured.

The issue with Truman and MacArthur is that MacArthur is only given a token force, enough to accomplished the task they were set out to, but is not going to be enough to go all the way, maybe if he did it in 1953 when the ROK personnel is more readily available, that may have been a different story, but after 1950, when the ROK themselves got beaten back all the way to Pusan, their available manpower is the lowest at that point, pushing it to the north is a giant gamble on MacArthur part, and he gamble the Chinese won't get involved since they want to recover Taiwan, but Chinese got involved anyway.

MacArthur was right about the Chinese, not the Russian, being the bigger threat on the region, but the correct way to deal with it is not rushing thru the line in 1950 and try to end it by Christmas, the correct way to deal with it is wait a couple of year south of the DMZ and then move up, convince the UN and the next POTUS to expand the capability and resource for the war, 1950 is the worse year MacArthur could pick to go North, you don't have enough manpower, and the Chinese just finished a war in late 1949, when they have hundreds of thousands, if not millions of soldier still waiting to be demobilised and can put back into a war almost immediately.......
 
thread has gone korea bound.

Why is it a game changer ? because the are 11 CBGs with enough SHs on them than the few F-22s and the (relatively) short legged F-35. It brings higher range for USN aviation, something they didn't have before. it will make re-evaluating air tactics easier, enable the CBGs to stay further back.

so yeah this is a small game changer. now if there are drones that SHs can control, drones that can carry Air-Air missiles, that will be a bigger game changer than this new AIM-174B.
 

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