India pressed US to go easy on Hasina: report

Nope. Not correct, Doc.

Apollo Chennai actually had a 3 star hotel for families, and the area around and about - off Nungambakkam High Road, sort of - was packed with boarding houses, and with fish curry joints.

I used to be friends with two brothers, both older than me, who had taken over Shaw Wallace Pakistan, later Shaw Wallace Bangladesh, when Tony Hayward started bailing out of South Asia to go back to lead the good life.

Their nephew and his entire family would land up in Calcutta at half-yearly intervals for medical treatment of the daughter. You probably know that there is a quadrangle in Calcutta where everything is oriented to the visiting Bangladeshi, that runs along Wellesley Street and Free School Street, with Dharmatolla and Elliott Road to the north and south. Boarding houses and family hotels used to accept Taka, and SIM cards were available off the shelf.

Even in Hyderabad, there are pockets for Bangladeshis visiting the local Apollo, or any of the other chains that Hyderabad is criss-crossed by, and it's fish curry for lunch all the time, the seasons around.

All agreed Joe. The whole town of Vellore literally works like this too. Every house has a first floor with rooms with attached made, just for patients families.

But it is easier and much cheaper when a doctor comes to you. Not all patients are well heeled like your friends. But the poor also get sick and need quality care. And otherwise the waiting period gets way too long. And life cannot and does not wait. Nor does death.

This is a universal truth. There is no debate in this. And it is a business model that Indian doctors are using for Bangladesh as well as Dubai. For the past 2 decades plus.
 
Nope. Not correct, Doc.

Apollo Chennai actually had a 3 star hotel for families, and the area around and about - off Nungambakkam High Road, sort of - was packed with boarding houses, and with fish curry joints.

I used to be friends with two brothers, both older than me, who had taken over Shaw Wallace Pakistan, later Shaw Wallace Bangladesh, when Tony Hayward started bailing out of South Asia to go back to lead the good life.

Their nephew and his entire family would land up in Calcutta at half-yearly intervals for medical treatment of the daughter. You probably know that there is a quadrangle in Calcutta where everything is oriented to the visiting Bangladeshi, that runs along Wellesley Street and Free School Street, with Dharmatolla and Elliott Road to the north and south. Boarding houses and family hotels used to accept Taka, and SIM cards were available off the shelf.

Even in Hyderabad, there are pockets for Bangladeshis visiting the local Apollo, or any of the other chains that Hyderabad is criss-crossed by, and it's fish curry for lunch all the time, the seasons around.
Yashoda hyderabad. They have their own travel agents who handle patients from airport to hospital treatment and back.
 
All agreed Joe. The whole town of Vellore literally works like this too. Every house has a first floor with rooms with attached made, just for patients families.

But it is easier and much cheaper when a doctor comes to you. Not all patients are well heeled like your friends. But the poor also get sick and need quality care. And otherwise the waiting period gets way too long. And life cannot and does not wait. Nor does death.

This is a universal truth. There is no debate in this. And it is a business model that Indian doctors are using for Bangladesh as well as Dubai. For the past 2 decades plus.
True. My kid brother does that, goes down to the town of Suri every weekend, where he doesn't have a free moment for the two days he is there; some patients come from a 50 kms distance.

I know this is a very successful model, but Calcutta health-care is not good. The doctors are lazy.
 
Yashoda hyderabad. They have their own travel agents who handle patients from airport to hospital treatment and back.
Tell me about it. I'm a Yashoda patient myself, and have seen how this has been streamlined.
 
There needs to an overhauling of our health care system. I heard many saying, one of the reasons they prefer India over local service, is how doctors/physicians behave. Very attentive and caring. While here, they treat everyone like sh*t. Unless you are rich.
 
Nope. Not correct, Doc.

Apollo Chennai actually had a 3 star hotel for families, and the area around and about - off Nungambakkam High Road, sort of - was packed with boarding houses, and with fish curry joints.

I used to be friends with two brothers, both older than me, who had taken over Shaw Wallace Pakistan, later Shaw Wallace Bangladesh, when Tony Hayward started bailing out of South Asia to go back to lead the good life.

Their nephew and his entire family would land up in Calcutta at half-yearly intervals for medical treatment of the daughter. You probably know that there is a quadrangle in Calcutta where everything is oriented to the visiting Bangladeshi, that runs along Wellesley Street and Free School Street, with Dharmatolla and Elliott Road to the north and south. Boarding houses and family hotels used to accept Taka, and SIM cards were available off the shelf.

Even in Hyderabad, there are pockets for Bangladeshis visiting the local Apollo, or any of the other chains that Hyderabad is criss-crossed by, and it's fish curry for lunch all the time, the seasons around.
So it's a brisk business.
 
There needs to an overhauling of our health care system. I heard many saying, one of the reasons they prefer India over local service, is how doctors/physicians behave. Very attentive and caring. While here, they treat everyone like sh*t. Unless you are rich.
That's true.

I am really cared for by the doctors in Hyderabad, though there are some things I have to do for myself - lose weight, change my diet to the simpler, more austere, go to sleep by midnight latest - that they can't do.
 

India’s ‘Sheikh Hasina Problem’ is Not Going Away Easily​

https://thewire.in/author/ahmede-hussain
Ahmede Hussain

For one and a half decades, India unabashedly supported Sheikh Hasina’s brutal and dictatorial regime. The 20-day-long violent uprising that forced her to flee to India in a military cargo plane, witnessed the death of 542 people in 20 days. Year after year, South Block turned a blind eye to Hasina’s kleptocratic government that helped its cronies syphon an estimated $150 billion out of the country. The amount is double the size of Bangladesh’s national budget.

India refused to hedge its bets in Bangladesh even after repeated requests, especially over the past several years. During Hasina’s rule, the Narendra Modi government never tried to make friends with Bangladesh or its people; rather it was ready to risk India’s goodwill and enlightened national interest for the sake of Hasina and the Awami League. When the United States tried to punish human rights violators in Bangladesh, Indian lobbied withWashington so that the US gave Hasina some breathing space— Delhi told the US that it “…can’t take us (India) as a strategic partner unless we (India and the US) have some kind of strategic consensus.”

On July 19, the day 75 people died mostly in police fire, Dr S Jaishankar, External Affairs Minister of the world’s largest democracy, called it“Bangladesh’s internal matter”. The day after Hasina’s fall in a mass upsurge that Nobel Laureate Muhammad Yunus called Bangladesh’s Second Independence, Jaishankar, in his speech to parliament, failed to see why the people of India’s next door neighbour had risen in unison against India’s closest ally in South Asia.

Instead of soul searching, some in the Indian media found the usual suspects behind Hasina’s fall— Pakistan, China and the US. It is indeed ironic that China and the US, both rivals in the formation of Cold War 2.0 in the Pacific, are seen as an ally in tiny Bangladesh. The involvement of Pakistan is also ludicrous. Last December Bangladesh edged past both Pakistan and India in per capita GDP, and the country’s median age is 26. Members of the Gen Z who spearheaded Hasina’s ouster don’t have 1971 and the Independence War in their collective memory— India and Pakistan, to them, are just two countries, about whom an array of memes are usually made.

Some in the Indian media even exaggerated the scale of attacks on Hindus in post-Awami League Bangladesh to serve their own agenda. Coverage like this trivialises the bigger issue of the oppression of the minorities in the sub-continent as a whole.

Like its media, the Indian establishment is also failing to see why keeping Hasina in Delhi is a burden. The deposed dictator faces a slew of charges. According to Unicef 32 children were killed in the protests: the youngest child killed had yet to turn five. Of them, Riya Gop, whose parents were Hindu, was shot in the head by a stray bullet while she was playing on a rooftop. It is impossible to defend and give shelter to a person whose command responsibility in these inhuman acts is undeniable.

As it is, India’s relationship with Bangladesh doesn’t look good. Thanks to its years of support for Hasina, ordinary Bangladeshis are finding it difficult to separate India from the Awami League; hours after Hasina’s fall, the Indira Gandhi Cultural Centre in downtown Dhaka was torched. Only last week, the Indian visa application centre in Dhaka resumed limited operations.

Letting Hasina stay in India for an indefinite period can indeed strain its relationship with Bangladesh further. When charges of crimes against humanity against Hasina are finalised, the new Bangladesh government can seek her extradition. India and Bangladesh have an extradition treaty, under whose provisions Bangladesh may want her back to face a slew of cases she’s facing, of which 27 are for murder. To make matters worse, Bangladesh government has revoked Hasina’s passport, the one she used while fleeing to India, making her stay in Delhi more complicated.

Then there is the risk of alienating Bangladesh’s youth by harbouring her in India and pushing hundreds and thousands of young Bangladeshis towards China. This is a mess that evidently India’s inefficient and lethargic bureaucracy has brought upon itself.

One big step towards solving a problem is accepting the fact that there’s a problem. It’s high time India engages with the people of Bangladesh and stops ‘leasing it out’ to its old chums. South Block has to find new friends in Bangladesh, and it has to realise that its old policy has failed and its old friends in Bangladesh are despised by the public.

The country also needs to change the way it sees Bangladesh. India’s help during Bangladesh’s independence war is a part of our shared history. But the help given 54 years ago isn’t enough to make Bangladesh feel indebted forerer. The US liberated half of Europe, but the EU isn’t the US’s colony, neither does Washington try to throttle democracy in France or Italy or Germany. If India wants to become a regional superpower, its foreign policy actors have to work like one.

Ordinary Bangladeshis aren’t India’s enemy. The problem is the Indian establishment.

 
For one and a half decades, India unabashedly supported Sheikh Hasina’s brutal and dictatorial regime.
Not fair. The support given to Bangladesh before 2014 was perfectly justified by the ties that the Indian people, not simply the establishment, had to Bangladesh and its people, and its leadership. It was not the Indian government that effectively leaned away from its counterparts across the border; the chill and the leaning away came from the other side. Pushing the causes of the closeness, in latter years, unwarranted closeness, wholly onto a desire for hegemonic domination on the side of the Indians is simply monocular vision.

The 20-day-long violent uprising that forced her to flee to India in a military cargo plane, witnessed the death of 542 people in 20 days. Year after year, South Block turned a blind eye
A reminder - this was the action of a regime in India that was in no way connected to Bangladesh' own struggle for identity, and finally, in desperation, for freedom.

This regime had had no footing in government and in administration, and when it came to power, had no legacy of foreign policy or thinking on foreign policy, other than a hatred of the Muslim majority nations on its western border and its eastern borders, and a track record of trash-talking the social situation in both those neighbouring countries.

Finally, when a foreign policy kind of emerged from the toxic mess that was that ruling regime's confused and bigoted state of mind, it was a curious, a weird amalgam of bigotry and Islamophobia, and a remembered practice of bullying, intimidation and subversion of all who were not long-standing followers of their ideology.

The Awami League government should never have expected any consideration, cooperation or respectful regard for an independent, sovereign neighbour. But that AL government was blind to these considerations, just as it was blind to the grim resistance that it had built up within its own constituents, precisely the same blindness that allowed it to see the killing of 542 of its own citizens in 20 days.

It was a cynical and manipulative Indian government and a naive and narrow-minded Bangladeshi government that led to the one-sided relationship that is causing so much anger.

This kind of throwing figures around frisbees does not help. Until there are proper enquiries, and authentic financial figures are obtained, citing these is of use only to raise the political temperature. The citizenry is in no way benefited by this display, nor is the country.

India refused to hedge its bets in Bangladesh even after repeated requests, especially over the past several years. During Hasina’s rule, the Narendra Modi government never tried to make friends with Bangladesh or its people; rather it was ready to risk India’s goodwill and enlightened national interest for the sake of Hasina and the Awami League.
Another fundamental mistake.

The Modi government did whatever it did, not to support the Awami League government, but to obtain undue influence over public policy discussions, most critically over decisions whereby its crony capitalists would make vast sums of money, and thus be enabled to place a portion within favoured party funds.

The kleptocracy was not merely in Bangladesh, assuming that it was kleptocracy that prevailed, but far more in India.

During Hasina’s rule, the Narendra Modi government never tried to make friends with Bangladesh or its people; rather it was ready to risk India’s goodwill and enlightened national interest for the sake of Hasina and the Awami League.
It was not about SHW or the Awami League. Nobody in the Indian establishment had the slightest feeling for the Bangladesh government, and nothing they did was for the sake of SHW or the League. It was for their own sakes, and for the sakes of their friendly neighbourhood crony capitalist. That is why risks were taken; the rewards seemed proportionally far more than the alienation of others not favoured, or overlooked.

When the United States tried to punish human rights violators in Bangladesh, Indian lobbied withWashington so that the US gave Hasina some breathing space— Delhi told the US that it “…can’t take us (India) as a strategic partner unless we (India and the US) have some kind of strategic consensus.”
Highly speculative.

On July 19, the day 75 people died mostly in police fire, Dr S Jaishankar, External Affairs Minister of the world’s largest democracy, called it“Bangladesh’s internal matter”
This has a simple explanation.

The outlines of Dr. Jaishankar's positions had been drawn up long in advance. Ignoring the realities of the situation in Bangladesh (or any other countries or cities. These Indian positions were formed out of a combination of concepts. One stream was the efforts of a foreign service that tried to create a foreign policy out of whole cloth that would not have too many uncomfortable reminders of the achievements in foreign policy of earlier years, The second stream was the toxic views that the ruling BJP had for neighbouring countries.

Therefore the glib answer, dictated by a clumsily put together foreign policy, infused with the cynical and manipulative thinking of the politicians involved.

The day after Hasina’s fall in a mass upsurge that Nobel Laureate Muhammad Yunus called Bangladesh’s Second Independence, Jaishankar, in his speech to parliament, failed to see why the people of India’s next door neighbour had risen in unison against India’s closest ally in South Asia.
Not surprising.

Under this regime, Indian foreign policy became a matter of responding to what the political leadership thought to be appropriate behaviour, with no regard for reality.

Instead of soul searching, some in the Indian media found the usual suspects behind Hasina’s fall— Pakistan, China and the US. It is indeed ironic that China and the US, both rivals in the formation of Cold War 2.0 in the Pacific, are seen as an ally in tiny Bangladesh. The involvement of Pakistan is also ludicrous. Last December Bangladesh edged past both Pakistan and India in per capita GDP, and the country’s median age is 26. Members of the Gen Z who spearheaded Hasina’s ouster don’t have 1971 and the Independence War in their collective memory— India and Pakistan, to them, are just two countries, about whom an array of memes are usually made.
Quite an obvious blindness, given the mental processes that dictated the Indian stance. Built out of a rudimentary creation of the professionals and the desire to dominate neighbours of the political leadership, it was impossible to admit any fault on the part of the Indian side, therefore, it had to be various shadowy entities. Whether those entities actually interfered or not, whether those entities were in any way aware of the motives attributed to them was not important. Finding excuses for failure of policy was important.

Some in the Indian media even exaggerated the scale of attacks on Hindus in post-Awami League Bangladesh to serve their own agenda. Coverage like this trivialises the bigger issue of the oppression of the minorities in the sub-continent as a whole.
Again, this warped viewpoint is due to inherent traits in the DNA of the Indian government, traits handed over to the Godi Media. Sadly, the question of minorities in the sub-continent has been reduced to a question of 'rescuing' the Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist and Jain members of neighbouring populations, and of ignoring all calls for moderating their political and administrative misbehaviour towards their own minorities.

Like its media, the Indian establishment is also failing to see why keeping Hasina in Delhi is a burden. The deposed dictator faces a slew of charges. According to Unicef 32 children were killed in the protests: the youngest child killed had yet to turn five. Of them, Riya Gop, whose parents were Hindu, was shot in the head by a stray bullet while she was playing on a rooftop. It is impossible to defend and give shelter to a person whose command responsibility in these inhuman acts is undeniable.
Having assumed the responsibilities of a foster-parent, even this regime found itself unable to step away from the responsibilities of a foster-parent.

Then there is the risk of alienating Bangladesh’s youth by harbouring her in India and pushing hundreds and thousands of young Bangladeshis towards China. This is a mess that evidently India’s inefficient and lethargic bureaucracy has brought upon itself.
Of course this is bound to happen. What the political masters want to hear is what is formulated and implemented, where does reality stand a chance?

One big step towards solving a problem is accepting the fact that there’s a problem. It’s high time India engages with the people of Bangladesh and stops ‘leasing it out’ to its old chums. South Block has to find new friends in Bangladesh, and it has to realise that its old policy has failed and its old friends in Bangladesh are despised by the public.
Impossible.

That would be to accept that the professional staff and the political masters were both wrong about Bangladesh, and that would never do.

The country also needs to change the way it sees Bangladesh. India’s help during Bangladesh’s independence war is a part of our shared history. But the help given 54 years ago isn’t enough to make Bangladesh feel indebted forerer. The US liberated half of Europe, but the EU isn’t the US’s colony, neither does Washington try to throttle democracy in France or Italy or Germany. If India wants to become a regional superpower, its foreign policy actors have to work like one.
Again, one has to look beyond the superficial.

The memory of India's aid to Bangladesh slowly faded away, and was replaced by the wish by the current regime to deal with a weak and subservient government.
Ordinary Bangladeshis aren’t India’s enemy. The problem is the Indian establishment.
Very clearly so. And in the toxic Islamophobia of the politicians now in power.
 
The glamour associated with carrying out a revolution is now over.

That high of ousting a government is gone and what is left is the same old country with the same old problems.

Who'd have thought there was so much hard work to do after this Revolution .
 

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