Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[SteppeWolff]

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Alot of us live in Pakistan. Dont get too deluded thinking only expats hate your kind

 

[M. Sarmad]

India scrapped IWT.

What are the next options for Pakistan?

Under the cover of run-of-river projects on the Chenab and Jhelum, India has already stored over 250,000 acre-feet of water, quietly gaining control over rivers meant for Pakistan under the Indus Waters Treaty. This means India can hold back water in winter, creating drought-like conditions, and release it during monsoon to worsen floods. Simply put, India now controls the tap, while Pakistan’s Mangla Dam sits at its lowest level in a decade. And regardless of all the chest-thumping, if India truly goes ahead with scrapping the treaty, the fallout for Pakistan could be far more serious than many realize.

As for Pakistan's options, we practically have a very few. Taking the issue to the UN or World Bank sounds good, but they can’t actually force India to stop... international law is just international morality, which powerful countries seldom follow. As for war, it may sound like a bold response, but it’s not something Pakistan can afford or win in its current state...

 

[Mobius]

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[r3alist]

I think, had there been an immediate impact to India's unilateral response it would be considered more serious , or you could argue India means business

This just seems like attempted psychological intimidation, there is no immediate impact but a declaration to dry the country out, so a heads up to Pakistan


The country is getting itself whipped up into genocidal rage demanding pain on the other side, civilizational defeat etc


Unless they mean to act on it decisively, you know blood and guts civilizational warfare..... the stuff being implied, this becomes another episode of incidents

 

[Areesh]

Pretty much sums up this expat forum as well


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Main to Pakistan main rehta hoon

And my views aren't any different

 

[Mobius]

Alot of us live in Pakistan. Dont get too deluded thinking only expats hate your kind

Expats will also love to join the party if India initiated anything.

 

[Areesh]

Simply put, India now controls the tap

No it doesn't

 

[SteppeWolff]

Under the cover of run-of-river projects on the Chenab and Jhelum, India has already stored over 250,000 acre-feet of water, quietly gaining control over rivers meant for Pakistan under the Indus Waters Treaty. This means India can hold back water in winter, creating drought-like conditions, and release it during monsoon to worsen floods. Simply put, India now controls the tap, while Pakistan’s Mangla Dam sits at its lowest level in a decade. And regardless of all the chest-thumping, if India truly goes ahead with scrapping the treaty, the fallout for Pakistan could be far more serious than many realize.

As for Pakistan's options, we practically have a very few. Taking the issue to the UN or World Bank sounds good, but they can’t actually force India to stop... international law is just international morality, which powerful countries seldom follow. As for war, it may sound like a bold response, but it’s not something Pakistan can afford or win in its current state...

So the jist is, Indians CAN block our waters and we cant do anything about it legally or diplomatically, short of a war?

They wanting to turn Punjab and Sindh into an arid wasteland is already an announcement of war imo; albiet in indirect words.

 

[M. Sarmad]

No it doesn't

Pretending not to see it won’t keep us from going dry, mate

 

[arjunk]

Under the cover of run-of-river projects on the Chenab and Jhelum, India has already stored over 250,000 acre-feet of water, quietly gaining control over rivers meant for Pakistan under the Indus Waters Treaty. This means India can hold back water in winter, creating drought-like conditions, and release it during monsoon to worsen floods. Simply put, India now controls the tap, while Pakistan’s Mangla Dam sits at its lowest level in a decade. And regardless of all the chest-thumping, if India truly goes ahead with scrapping the treaty, the fallout for Pakistan could be far more serious than many realize.

As for Pakistan's options, we practically have a very few. Taking the issue to the UN or World Bank sounds good, but they can’t actually force India to stop... international law is just international morality, which powerful countries seldom follow. As for war, it may sound like a bold response, but it’s not something Pakistan can afford or win in its current state...

If the world doesn’t talk sense into them, a JDAM will.

 

[arjunk]

Pretending not to see it won’t keep us from going dry, mate

we will break their tap and let the water flow free. womp womp.

 

[Areesh]

Pretending not to see it won’t keep us from going dry, mate

Indians struggle to use all the water of river ravi that as per IWT completely belongs to them

Every year they release water on Pakistani side to cause flooding

The fact is as of today Indians have very little ability to store or divert water of 3 Pakistani rivers

They can build required infrastructure in a decade or so. Yes. But not today. Even feasibility reports and studies would take years to be completed let alone the infrastructure itself

All in all. It is a new lollypop by Modi to his nation. just like surgical strikes

it sounds really good when you say that you are going to starve your enemy to death. That is it. Such kind of jumlabazi works in India

 

[M. Sarmad]

So the jist is, Indians CAN block our waters and we cant do anything about it legally or diplomatically, short of a war?

They wanting to turn Punjab and Sindh into an arid wasteland is already an announcement of war imo; albiet in indirect words.

Yes, India already has the ability to engineer droughts or floods in Pakistan at will, even with its existing infrastructure. Now, with the Indus Waters Treaty suspended, it's likely India will push ahead with building more projects to gradually choke off the western rivers (just as it has already done with the eastern ones). It won’t happen overnight, but the direction is clear. And as for those suggesting missile strikes on Indian dam sites, it’s a dangerously naive idea...

 

[Yasser76]

Pretending not to see it won’t keep us from going dry, mate

It will take a lot of time and expense. Right now and certainly for next few years, things will be normal, and a lot can change till then

 

[SteppeWolff]

Indians struggle to use all the water of river ravi that as per IWT completely belongs to them

Every year they release water on Pakistani side to cause flooding

The fact is as of today Indians have very little ability to store or divert water of 3 Pakistani rivers

They can build required infrastructure in a decade or so. Yes. But not today. Even feasibility reports and studies would take years to be completed let alone the infrastructure itself

All in all. It is a new lollypop by Modi to his nation. just like surgical strikes

it sounds really good when you say that you are going to starve your enemy to death. That is it. Such kind of jumlabazi works in India

But IWTs existence meant there were some rules established on what both sides can do. Abeyance of a treaty means they arent bound to it now, means free for all.

Let's see what Pakistan does. Alot of us are taking this too lightly. Scrapping of IWT certainly was being planned upon since some time, it further has strengthened my belief that the yesterday incident was a false flag attack by Indians to further their interests. Israeli tactics at play