India's 𝗞𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗶 𝗗𝗿𝘆 𝗘𝗻𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗲 𝗛𝗶𝘁𝘀 𝟰𝟴.𝟱 𝗸𝗡 𝗶𝗻 𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮

[BhootPishash]

In fact, this is not speculation, but something that has been happening all along and is ongoing.

????

In what context ??????

 

[Kaveri Engine]

I am not concerned what media does and says.

What freaks me out is the stepmotherly status what Babus, Military Despensation and MOD and Government as a whole has towards investment in R&D in deep tech.

I also freak out at our Dhandos who larp for profits instead, of doing doing research they falls for shortcuts and imports final matured products and do screwdrivergiri and sell it in the country.

Indian government has finally learned some valuable lessons. sanctioned $8 billion for the next-generation engine being developed for the AMCA. ₹735 crore sanctioned for the Kaveri dry engine alone compare that to the original budget of just ₹2,035 crore for the entire Kaveri engine programme.

we cannot blame Indian Government entirely because Kaveri engine programme began in 1980, when India was a much poorer country with limited technological and financial resources.

 

[Shui]

When can we expect intergration, certification and lastly mass production?

 

[BhootPishash]

Indian government has finally learned some valuable lessons. sanctioned $8 billion for the next-generation engine being developed for the AMCA. ₹735 crore sanctioned for the Kaveri dry engine alone compare that to the original budget of just ₹2,035 crore for the entire Kaveri engine programme.

we cannot blame Indian Government entirely because Kaveri engine programme began in 1980, when India was a much poorer country with limited technological and financial resources.

Sorry to say it is not.

Why running after Javelin???

Why no substantial orders for ATGAS, Tata WhAPs, Kalyani MArGs, Arjun.

Why GSQR changed for Zorawar right after it was ready to be rolled out.

The list is freeking long.

 

[Kaveri Engine]

When can we expect intergration, certification and lastly mass production?

Mass production of the Ghatak UCAV is expected to begin in 2032, but prototypes could be flying with this engine as early as 2027. it would marks a significant shift in Indian military aviation: for the first time, the engine is ready and certified before the aircraft enters flight testing.

Historically, India often developed aircraft before having an indigenous engine ready. The HAL Marut, had to rely on imported engines, while Tejas took its first flight with an American engine as the Kaveri was still under development. The AMCA is also expected to make its first flight using an imported American engine. The Ghatak represents a fundamentally different approach, with an indigenous engine is available before the aircraft flight-test stage.

 

[Michael]

In what context ??????

Let me give you a small example.

Trade fairs for used equipment are held annually in mainland China. Originally, these were domestic marketplaces, but in recent years, a large number of Indian merchants have flocked to them. They purchase used industrial equipment or production lines directly and ship them back to India, where they are rebranded as achievements of India's own industrial sector. These merchants can even secure substantial government incentives from the Indian authorities.
To cater to these international clients, many vendors at these Chinese trade fairs have begun using English exclusively for their promotional materials.
Meanwhile, leveraging its status as a global city, Hong Kong has also expanded the scale of its own used equipment trade expos—with India serving as the primary target market.

Of course, the target audience for China's used equipment market extends beyond India to include Africa, but India accounts for the lion's share of the business.

You will rarely see news of this kind in Indian or other international media.

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Here is a small example from the realm of defense and the military.

An Indian company announced the development of a high-speed interceptor drone designed to take down FPV drones, claiming a top speed exceeding 470 km/h (I don't recall the exact figure—you can check the relevant news reports—but the maximum speed was under 500 km/h).

This news generated excitement among many Indians, who touted it as a world-leading achievement...

However, what they didn't realize was that the photos released by the Indian company showed a drone identical to an export model from a private Chinese company...

 

[BhootPishash]

Sorry to say it is not.

Why running after Javelin???

Why no substantial orders for ATGAS, Tata WhAPs, Kalyani MArGs, Arjun.

Why GSQR changed for Zorawar right after it was ready to be rolled out.

The list is freeking long.

AMCA no consortium is ready to put its hard cash because there will be drama of L1 & L2 after prototyping.

As the manufacturing will be open for all after proof of prototyping.

The Manufacturer of Prototypes after investing in Machinery and R&D will have to compete for other vendors on costs.

Who the fool in the world will invest in product development??

 

[BhootPishash]

Let me give you a small example.

Trade fairs for used equipment are held annually in mainland China. Originally, these were domestic marketplaces, but in recent years, a large number of Indian merchants have flocked to them. They purchase used industrial equipment or production lines directly and ship them back to India, where they are rebranded as achievements of India's own industrial sector. These merchants can even secure substantial government incentives from the Indian authorities.
To cater to these international clients, many vendors at these Chinese trade fairs have begun using English exclusively for their promotional materials.
Meanwhile, leveraging its status as a global city, Hong Kong has also expanded the scale of its own used equipment trade expos—with India serving as the primary target market.

Of course, the target audience for China's used equipment market extends beyond India to include Africa, but India accounts for the lion's share of the business.

You will rarely see news of this kind in Indian or other international media.

=================

Here is a small example from the realm of defense and the military.

An Indian company announced the development of a high-speed interceptor drone designed to take down FPV drones, claiming a top speed exceeding 470 km/h (I don't recall the exact figure—you can check the relevant news reports—but the maximum speed was under 500 km/h).

This news generated excitement among many Indians, who touted it as a world-leading achievement...

However, what they didn't realize was that the photos released by the Indian company showed a drone identical to an export model from a private Chinese company...

Simple dont let Foreign companies compete in DOMESTIC MARKET to protect your Companies who are spending their Sweat & Blood and doing Deep Tech R & D.

Just like China who dont let enter Google, Microsoft, Meta in their local markets.

Companies like Teslas and BMW, Mercedes enter China only according to China's terms and conditions.

 

[Kaveri Engine]

Sorry to say it is not.

Why running after Javelin???

Why no substantial orders for ATGAS, Tata WhAPs, Kalyani MArGs, Arjun.

Why GSQR changed for Zorawar right after it was ready to be rolled out.

The list is freeking long.

This thread is about Kaveri engine. I also recently learned that the Kaveri dry engine was sent to Russia for in-flight testing in 2023, but testing slots were not available, so the engine had to wait for nearly three years before it could be tested. Without this delay, the engine might have been certified as early as 2023.

This highlights why India needs its own flying testbed. I also listened to a retired HAL scientist who made the same point: according to him, the Kaveri programme has taken so long also because India lacks adequate in-flight engine-testing infrastructure. Sending engines to Russia for testing consumes significant time and resources.

 

[Kaveri Engine]

Let me give you a small example.

Trade fairs for used equipment are held annually in mainland China. Originally, these were domestic marketplaces, but in recent years, a large number of Indian merchants have flocked to them. They purchase used industrial equipment or production lines directly and ship them back to India, where they are rebranded as achievements of India's own industrial sector. These merchants can even secure substantial government incentives from the Indian authorities.
To cater to these international clients, many vendors at these Chinese trade fairs have begun using English exclusively for their promotional materials.
Meanwhile, leveraging its status as a global city, Hong Kong has also expanded the scale of its own used equipment trade expos—with India serving as the primary target market.

Of course, the target audience for China's used equipment market extends beyond India to include Africa, but India accounts for the lion's share of the business.

You will rarely see news of this kind in Indian or other international media.

=================

Here is a small example from the realm of defense and the military.

An Indian company announced the development of a high-speed interceptor drone designed to take down FPV drones, claiming a top speed exceeding 470 km/h (I don't recall the exact figure—you can check the relevant news reports—but the maximum speed was under 500 km/h).

This news generated excitement among many Indians, who touted it as a world-leading achievement...

However, what they didn't realize was that the photos released by the Indian company showed a drone identical to an export model from a private Chinese company...

So, are you claiming that the Kaveri is actually a Chinese engine and that India simply rebranded it as its own?

 

[BhootPishash]

AMCA no consortium is ready to put its hard cash because there will be drama of L1 & L2 after prototyping.

As the manufacturing will be open for all after proof of prototyping.

The Manufacturer of Prototypes after investing in Machinery and R&D will have to compete for other vendors on costs.

Who the fool in the world will invest in product development??

Rs 750.00 Crores for KDE.

Its peanuts when compare to Rs 2500.00 Crores spent since 1989.

When weighted with Depreciation in Rupee Value.

 

[BhootPishash]

This thread is about Kaveri engine. I also recently learned that the Kaveri dry engine was sent to Russia for in-flight testing in 2023, but testing slots were not available, so the engine had to wait for nearly three years before it could be tested. Without this delay, the engine might have been certified as early as 2023.

This highlights why India needs its own flying testbed. I also listened to a retired HAL scientist who made the same point: according to him, the Kaveri programme has taken so long also because India lacks adequate in-flight engine-testing infrastructure. Sending engines to Russia for testing consumes significant time and resources.

You are not getting to the bottom of the problem.

It takes Burning of Money and standing with products what you develop and let them mature with time.

Instead MOD & Forces are known for changing goal post well within development period and for what ???? The GSQR which they themselves approved.

 

[BhootPishash]

So, are you claiming that the Kaveri is actually a Chinese engine and that India simply rebranded it as its own?

He is not claiming anything on Kaveri.

What he is saying is plane & simple - OUR DHANDOS LARP for Available Solutions abroad instead of toiling and putting sweat & Blood to develop a comparable product within India.