Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[FUB]

Look at these incompetent Iranians they’re taking drone strikes to their refineries 1000 km deep within the border

 

[Persian Gulf]

You had a post from Iran International.

I believe I posted a well known Iranian source who commented on an article from Iran International

Iran International are traitors hostile to the IRI and in cahoots with Israel. but they have some good sources and have broken big stories before. so judge each story on its own merits. I appreciate that such nuance and critical thinking may be difficult for some

 

[Persian Gulf]

There is a long list of analysts who have the credentials from Scott Ritter, John Miershimer, and Israelis who have said that the Israelis took a beating.

these are not serious 'analysts'. Scott Ritter is a convicted pedophile.

Mearsheimer is a smart guy for political doctrine and lobbying in the US but he's not an expert on military conflicts.

 

[Persian Gulf]

it is really sad that he spent his final months telling people not to worry about external threats and that no one will attack Iran

but he was responsible for a lot of progress in the IRGC-ASF so for that hard work over decades he deserves credit and respect

 

[hyperman]

This is getting more and more comical, you would think they would have learned by now..

 

[ToddE]

^

IRI is trying hard to stay in power by being in good books of US, Russia, China, EU simultaneously, something they recently learn can actually happen.

 

[Persian Gulf]

This is getting more and more comical, you would think they would have learned by now..

source?

it's known that an IAEA technical team will return to Iran soon, but they are not inspectors and will not be permitted to inspect nuclear facilities

 

[ShapurII]

^

IRI is trying hard to stay in power by being in good books of US, Russia, China, EU simultaneously, something they recently learn can actually happen.

Way too late for that.
They never thought shit would get real.

They thought they would be left alone as long as they didn't cross the red lines (going for actual deterrence), but things have changed, we're getting close to some major global changes, and Iran is on the top of the list for these global developments.

 

[ToddE]

Way too late for that.
They never thought shit would get real.

They thought they would be left alone as long as they didn't cross the red lines (going for actual deterrence), but things have changed, we're getting close to some major global changes, and Iran is on the top of the list for these global developments.

No enemy of Iran will ever want Khamenei and his gang gone from Tehran for simple reason. Faulty idea of IRI by default is making sure that Iran does not become a nuclear armed 4 Trillion USD economy with worlds 4th-5th largest STEM workforce. It does not have an ounce of nationalistic pride, lays no claim to its lost lands, poses no challenge to those who did wrong to the Iranian nation. Thats what IRI is ensuring so why would any one want them gone? IRI's survival favours Russia, China, US, EU, Israel ... everyone actually.

 

[ShapurII]

No enemy of Iran will ever want Khamenei and his gang gone from Tehran for simple reason. Faulty idea of IRI by default is making sure that Iran does not become a nuclear armed 4 Trillion USD economy with worlds 4th-5th largest STEM workforce. It does not have an ounce of nationalistic pride, lays no claim to its lost lands, poses no challenge to those who did wrong to the Iranian nation. Thats what IRI is ensuring so why would any one want them gone? IRI's survival favours Russia, China, US, EU, Israel ... everyone actually.

I think Khamenei has served his purpose.

He ruined Iran's golden generation. We had a peak of youths who were well-educated and could change the country for the better. Now, the average age of an Iranian is close to 35. Our work force is getting old, our social security is already close to complete bankruptcy. Fertility rate has dropped below 1.6 like highly developed European countries. We do not have enough water to sustain urban life in our major cities and we have no air force to defend our country. We have no nuclear deterrence to slightly change the balance in our favor either.

Now that the fool has served his purpose, it's time for change. I'm really afraid that what we are witnessing are the last years of Iran as we know it.

Historically speaking, many nations have gone through the same thing (foreign interference and eventual disarray and chaos) but only few of them managed to reorganize and get their shit together. Most of them lost their identity and territories for several decades, and usually centuries. And who knows what will happen decades later or centuries later with the advance of AI and neuroscience?

 

[Lulldapull]

This is getting more and more comical, you would think they would have learned by now..

Its just for poor public consumption no? Are you serious? Look at your country........pfftt......Jesus christ......

 

[ToddE]

I think Khamenei has served his purpose.

He ruined Iran's golden generation. We had a peak of youths who were well-educated and could change the country for the better. Now, the average age of an Iranian is close to 35. Our work force is getting old, our social security is already close to complete bankruptcy. Fertility rate has dropped below 1.6 like highly developed European countries. We do not have enough water to sustain urban life in our major cities and we have no air force to defend our country. We have no nuclear deterrence to slightly change the balance in our favor either.

Now that the fool has served his purpose, it's time for change. I'm really afraid that what we are witnessing are the last years of Iran as we know it.

Historically speaking, many nations have gone through the same thing (foreign interference and eventual disarray and chaos) but only few of them managed to reorganize and get their shit together. Most of them lost their identity and territories for several decades, and usually centuries. And who knows what will happen decades later or centuries later with the advance of AI and neuroscience?

Khamenei will not leave until those who planted him in power and benefited from him allow him to leave. If he dies by old age one day, they will make sure that his predecessor is even weaker than him, probably already selected.

Khamenei is just one stupid man, IRI itself is a faulty or dysfunctional system of conservative theocracy run on socialist economy to control a highly educated progressive society. A recipe for disaster. Enemies of Iran know this very well so they make sure that this system survives. Israel attacked IRGC's CoC, scientists in their homes but left Majles shits and Khamenei untouched, wonder why? Because if Iran is left on its own it will become what it has always been, a filthy rich powerhouse sitting on and controlling Eurasian borders. Again why would anyone want that?

 

[ShapurII]

Khamenei will not leave until those who planted him in power and benefited from him allow him to leave. If he dies by old age one day, they will make sure that his predecessor is even weaker than him, probably already selected.

Khamenei is just one stupid man, IRI itself is a faulty or dysfunctional system of conservative theocracy run on socialist economy to control a highly educated progressive society. A recipe for disaster. Enemies of Iran know this very well so they make sure that this system survives. Israel attacked IRGC's CoC, scientists in their homes but left Majles shits and Khamenei untouched, wonder why? Because if Iran is left on its own it will become what it has always been, a filthy rich powerhouse sitting on and controlling Eurasian borders. Again why would anyone want that?

Honestly, I'm always against the idea that a single person can ruin an entire system if the system is not corrupt to the core, and if there are enough rational internal players to provide fail-safe mechanisms in the system.

I think we are back to the time of Qajar, the only difference is that this time we are better educated in science and technology, but still quite gullible and uniformed (as a nation) about the schemes and plots that they have planned for us. We have two opposing groups who serve different power blocs in the world. Khamenei and his shills who serve the interests of Russia, and the reformists, currently led by Rohani, formerly led by Rafsanjani, who serve the interests of the collective West.

Khamenei is possibly the easiest target to lay all the blame on, and he obviously deserves most of it, but he isn't the only factor that we have reached where we are now. A lot of people could've stopped this madness, but preferred to play along with it to keep their interests intact and they thought the status quo would continue for the foreseeable future as long as Iran did not cross the red lines of world powers directly.

Tsarist Russia was perhaps the world's leading power in military and even Russia briefly went through the same period of foreign interference, confusion and disarray, betrayal and even civil war (Red and White armies) before Stalin finally came to power and stabilized the country. Lenin openly called for foreign interference in Tsarist Russia to gain power and bring him back to Russia, sort of like today's Reza Pahlavi. Will Iran be able to do the same in future? Probably, but I'm not optimistic at all.

 

[ToddE]

Honestly, I'm always against the idea that a single person can ruin an entire system if the system is not corrupt to the core, and if there are enough rational internal players to provide fail-safe mechanisms in the system.

I think we are back to the time of Qajar, the only difference is that this time we are better educated in science and technology, but still quite gullible and uniformed (as a nation) about the schemes and plots that they have planned for us. We have two opposing groups who serve different power blocs in the world. Khamenei and his shills who serve the interests of Russia, and the reformists, currently led by Rohani, formerly led by Rafsanjani, who serve the interests of the collective West.

People love to shit on Qajars but remember it was them who rejoined 7 parts of Iran to re-create the empire. Mohammad Khan Qajar destroyed enemies of Iran. Abbas Mirza and his brother Dowlatshah destroyed Ottomans so bad they could not touch Iran again ever. Later ones were shits but thats what happens to empires. They were by no means traitors or weak otherwise Iran would have been a fractured state at the end of Afshar empire. They fought like lions against Tsarist Russian army to save Azerbaijan and Armenia. Failed yes but even the royals themselves died defending the country. Even the last one Ahmad Shah had enough political sanity that he knew he was weak to deal with crisis at borders and inside so he preferred to leave rather than stick to the crown like Khamenei. It was his decision to leave that brought out lion hearted Reza Khan to regather Iran from post WWI crisis.

Current Iran is lacking such a hero who can come out and drain the swamp to get rid of traitors or dysfunctional IRI system altogether. Soleimani showed such independent sentience but was burnt out from inside Iran. Probably Raisi was also showing these signs so was killed as well. Iran is just too previous for foreign powers to be left alone and IRI is favored by both blocks of the world because they are ensuring that Iran does not create its own pole like it always has in past.

Khamenei is possibly the easiest target to lay all the blame on, and he obviously deserves most of it, but he isn't the only factor that we have reached where we are now. A lot of people could've stopped this madness, but preferred to play along with it to keep their interests intact and they thought the status quo would continue for the foreseeable future as long as Iran did not cross the red lines of world powers directly.

Tsarist Russia was perhaps the world's leading power in military and even Russia briefly went through the same period of foreign interference, confusion and disarray, betrayal and even civil war (Red and White armies) before Stalin finally came to power and stabilized the country. Lenin openly called for foreign interference in Tsarist Russia to gain power and bring him back to Russia, sort of like today's Reza Pahlavi. Will Iran be able to do the same in future? Probably, but I'm not optimistic at all.

Agreed, he is just one man which is why I call the IRI system to be dysfunctional by default, a socialist theocracy. Problem with Khamenei is that he has sat upon this system for close to 4 decades now, he could have turned Iran into Japan or France of ME if he was sincere. He had absolute power. Instead he focused on pitting reformists vs conservatives, politicising nuclear program, making policies that surprisingly always benefitted Russia in the end.

IRI is a shit show of hundreds of idiots. Khamenei just happens to be the biggest of them all.

 

[kastor ville]

As I live and breathe.....I never thought they'd listen, they're reading our posts and finally doing something!