Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

But do you agree that our response and the war cost them around 1,5 billion USD a day?

I don't disagree with that figure. Though, most estimates are between 8 billion to 12 billion USD, but 18 billion USD is not that far-fetched either. It's likely to be true.

But let's say it did cost them $1.5B per day. Do you think that prevents them from trying it again?
They have the US and the US has the Fed. The Fed prints USD like toilet paper and the inflation will be distributed among all the economies that depend on the USD, which is basically most of the countries in the world, particularly the largest economies.

The effects of $18B on the US or Israeli economy is not devastating enough to give us actual deterrence.

 

[kastor ville]

Well if they see such weak response from Iran, they will demand more and more, encouraged by defeatist messages from inside. It's not related to our (military) potential and response during the 12 days war, but related to our foreign and internal policy, which shows weakness, fear and passiveness. This encourages our enemies to increase pressure.

I agree, to think the Europeans are some how neutral is a mistake, The UK and Germany are squarely in the US pocket. Their policies are what the US dictates to them. Perhaps France is a bit of wildcard, but I doubt it.

 

[kastor ville]

I don't disagree with that figure. Though, most estimates are between 8 billion to 12 billion USD, but 18 billion USD is not that far-fetched either. It's likely to be true.

But let's say it did cost them $1.5B per day. Do you think that prevents them from trying it again?
They have the US and the US has the Fed. The Fed prints USD like toilet paper and the inflation will be distributed among all the economies that depend on the USD, which is basically most of the countries in the world, particularly the largest economies.

The effects of $18B on the US or Israeli economy is not devastating enough to give us actual deterrence.

Trump is a dollar and cents kind of guy...he doesn't want to spend a nickel for foreign countries....so yeah, the cost is a factor to him, no to Israel of course, they know they got the US Congress by the balls. But that era is coming to an end...if not end, a serious curtailment then.

 

[kastor ville]

Trump administration fires general who said attacks on Iran’s nuclear sites had minimal effect​

Head of US Defense Intelligence Agency Jeffrey Kruse fired alongside two senior Navy officials in latest purge.

Lieutenant-General Jeffrey Kruse's firing comes two months after details of a preliminary assessment of US air strikes against Iran found that Iran’s nuclear programme had been set back only a few months, contradicting assertions from Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu [File: Mark Schiefelbein/AP Photo]

Lieutenant-General Jeffrey Kruse's firing comes two months after details of a preliminary assessment of US air strikes against Iran found that Iran’s nuclear programme had been set back only a few months, contradicting assertions from Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu [File: Mark Schiefelbein/AP Photo]
Published On 23 Aug 202523 Aug 2025

United States Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has fired a general whose agency’s preliminary intelligence assessment angered President Donald Trump for reporting that the US attack on Iranian nuclear sites in June had inflicted limited damage, according to reports.

The Pentagon firings on Friday, which, according to US officials who spoke to the Reuters and Associated Press (AP) news agencies, also include two other senior military commanders, are the latest moves by the Trump administration to purge officials at the Department of Defense .

It was not immediately known on what grounds Lieutenant General Jeffrey Kruse, who led the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) since early 2024, was fired.

But President Trump had previously decried the agency’s initial findings on US strikes against Iran.

The initial DIA assessment – which was widely reported on by US media – contradicted claims by Trump that the strikes totally destroyed the nuclear sites, drawing the ire of both the president and officials within his administration.

Kruse “will no longer serve as DIA director”, a senior defence official said on condition of anonymity on Friday, without providing an explanation for the general’s departure.

Prior to becoming director of the DIA, Kruse served as the adviser for military affairs for the director of national intelligence, and also held positions including director of intelligence for the coalition against the ISIL (ISIS) group.

Hegseth also fired Vice Admiral Nancy Lacore, who is chief of the Navy Reserve, as well as Rear Admiral Milton Sands, a Navy SEAL officer who oversees Naval Special Warfare Command, according to officials who spoke to both AP and Reuters.

“The firing of yet another senior national security official underscores the Trump administration’s dangerous habit of treating intelligence as a loyalty test rather than a safeguard for our country,” said US Senator Mark Warner, who is the vice chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

Since beginning his second term in January, Trump has overseen a purge of top military officers, including the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Charles “CQ” Brown, whom he fired without explanation in February.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025...iran-nuclear-sites-damage-angered-trump-fired

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NOTE: As I've said before, it's an information war. Narratives are created, and when challenged internally, those who challenged them are persecuted.

Nice...the news is never complete, you have to piece it together...this is a big clue....the second one is Aragchi saying the enriched material is buried and no one has access....beautiful answer. This is how you play chess with the West. The third, is the videos trickling out of Israel showing the damage...the fourth, Iran is getting military equipment from a third party....yes, not China and not Russia......(plausible deniability). Of course now we know they're helping Iran get it's defences back online. Fifth, Iran saying they will use the more destructive missiles in the next round. All of these are things in the plus column.....so yeah, I don't think Iran lost the war, not even close....setbacks for sure, but the enemies were holding all the cards before the conflict....they showed Iran their hands, now Iran, as usual, always late to the party, is learning.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

I don't disagree with that figure. Though, most estimates are between 8 billion to 12 billion USD, but 18 billion USD is not that far-fetched either. It's likely to be true.

But let's say it did cost them $1.5B per day. Do you think that prevents them from trying it again?
They have the US and the US has the Fed. The Fed prints USD like toilet paper and the inflation will be distributed among all the economies that depend on the USD, which is basically most of the countries in the world, particularly the largest economies.

The effects of $18B on the US or Israeli economy is not devastating enough to give us actual deterrence.

I think 2 factors added together will have a preventive effect:
1. Cost of the war (about 1.5 billions USD a day)
2. Not being able to produce, deliver enough interceptor missiles to the zionist regime (low stocks, low production rate).

Ofcourse we should not underestimate genocidal gamblers, they might attack anyday again, but they know it won't be easy and cheap.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Stop being purposefully obtuse. You are also a deceptive individual.

Can you provide a link?

Hello. It's a bit problematic at the moment, but I'm not saying no. We can use AI to find sources in a text or part of a text. Things that some people will have access to here should appear on X and Telegram in the coming days.

It's not too hidden, but you have to be in the right place at the right time. According to one source, the 12-Day War helped unblock a certain slowness and complication in the mass production of a new national radar for Iranian fighter jets; the news is expected to be announced in September. There are things that will be announced in the coming days.

This remains to be seen in practice, as the source indicates, but it seems that various production lines are becoming more active. That makes sense! I'll check for some sources, but I would really like some people to register on this forum; you'll appreciate their analyses and their extensive knowledge of military aviation. There's a lot missing here.

Oghab 44 Air Base and others have some surprises in store for us. Remember that Zionist regime pilots have seen planes disappear from the sky without a trace. This has been discussed elsewhere, like many other points. Iran cannot reveal everything tactically in 12 days when it is preparing for months of combat, particularly against a frontal attack by the US.

 

[Persian Gulf]

stay on topic and avoid personal insults

if you have a point to make, make it with evidence and reason. all viewpoints are welcome as long as you avoid low quality sources and avoid personal insults.

 

[ShapurII]

I think 2 factors added together will have a preventive effect:
1. Cost of the war (about 1.5 billions USD a day)
2. Not being able to produce, deliver enough interceptor missiles to the zionist regime (low stocks, low production rate).

Ofcourse we should not underestimate genocidal gamblers, they might attack anyday again, but they know it won't be easy and cheap.

The US spent nearly 3 trillion dollars in the Iraq war alone. $1.5B per day is not going to stop them.

The True Cost of the Iraq War: $3 Trillion and Beyond

Writing in these pages in early 2008, we put the total cost to the United States of the Iraq war at $3 trillion. This price tag dwarfed previous estimates, including the Bush administration's 2003 projections of a $50 billion to $60 billion war. But today, as the United States ends combat in...

www.hks.harvard.edu

Interceptor missiles might be an issue initially, but the real question is: do they have an actual technical/industrial bottleneck for mass producing these missiles? Or did they just not produce enough because they weren't facing a credible threat and didn't need to produce more?

I mean war-time production numbers are not going to be the same as peace-time numbers for sure.

When you are planning for war, you shouldn't only factor in your own capabilities, but you should also factor in your opponent's capabilities as well.
People here always insisted that Iran was better prepared compared to 2003-2006, but they forgot to factor in that the US and Israel were getting stronger too. Back in 2003, the US and Israel would've never been able to decapitate the C&C of the IRGC in such a short span of time, if ever.

 

[ToddE]

If he was world wise, and old...it would be ok, but he's not, and he is woefully out of touch. He didn't go to school studying policy and strategic management, so thats why the hierarchy of our government is so convulted....no one branch is in charge and yet everyone gets a vote on the policies.

IRI by design is ...

Corrupt (Almost all Mullah families are rich oligarchs, settled abroad)
Dysfunctional (Branches fight eachother, end up damaging progress, case of IRIAF)
Illogical (With an obsolete under financed military, they want to fight NATO, US, Israel)
Anti-Iranian (Khamenei said it himself, Iran does not matter. IRI is death of Iranian nationalism)

IRI suited USSR because so Shahi Iran does not compete with Russia as Iran always have in Central Asia, Caucasus, Caspian. Shahi Iran would have gone nuclear in mid-late 80s considering Iraqs program. It would have also asked for SSR Azerbaijans return to Iran after Soviet collapse. IRI resisted both such pro-Iran policies. IRI suited US and West because stupid Mullahs were at the helm of Islamic Crescent west desperately wanted to contain USSR. Their job is done so now we are seeing collapse of the system. Slow and painful one.

 

[kastor ville]

The US spent nearly 3 trillion dollars in the Iraq war alone. $1.5B per day is not going to stop them.

The True Cost of the Iraq War: $3 Trillion and Beyond

Writing in these pages in early 2008, we put the total cost to the United States of the Iraq war at $3 trillion. This price tag dwarfed previous estimates, including the Bush administration's 2003 projections of a $50 billion to $60 billion war. But today, as the United States ends combat in...

www.hks.harvard.edu

Interceptor missiles might be an issue initially, but the real question is: do they have an actual technical/industrial bottleneck for mass producing these missiles? Or did they just not produce enough because they weren't facing a credible threat and didn't need to produce more?

I mean war-time production numbers are not going to be the same as peace-time numbers for sure.

When you are planning for war, you shouldn't only factor in your own capabilities, but you should also factor in your opponent's capabilities as well.
People here always insisted that Iran was better prepared compared to 2003-2006, but they forgot to factor in that the US and Israel were getting stronger too. Back in 2003, the US and Israel would've never been able to decapitate the C&C of the IRGC in such a short span of time, if ever.

The true number of money spent in Iraq and Afghanistan is 11 trillion dollars. But to be honest, the real figure is probably a bit higher than that.....don't forget the implicit costs, that's the cost of the interest of borrowing that money up to now....because none of the costs of those wars were budgeted....all of it was new debt.

 

[ShapurII]

The true number of money spent in Iraq and Afghanistan is 11 trillion dollars. But to be honest, the real figure is probably a bit higher than that.....don't forget the implicit costs, that's the cost of the interest of borrowing that money up to now....because none of the costs of those wars were budgeted....all of it was new debt.

Then even worse. It just proves that $1.5B per day is really nothing for these people.

As long as the US has a money printing machine, they can launch wars at the expense of global economy without getting affected much.

 

[Hendarto]

Russian military transport lands in Tel Aviv

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[muhammed45]

Russian military transport lands in Tel Aviv

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Lol reminds me of good ties between USSR and Israel. Russians never learn.

 

[muhammed45]

New defense minister of Russia is a businessman having great ties with Jews. I once pointed to the fact that no major defense deal with Russians can be materialised. However, it was obvious that Russians never learn from history.

Jews will initiate a great conflict inside Europe like before which will make us understand why UK left EU.

Iran's non alignment policy will save us. Economic issues will be a common phenomenon for a rising country.

 

[Eşbah]

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