Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Liquidator]

Do you think we won the 12-day battle?
Is that why we're negotiating with the Europeans over zero enrichment?

Also, did the US lose even a single soldier after bombing our nuclear facilities? Even a minor injury?

Ceasefire was called before Israel could meet its objectives.

Major damage both sides. True extent unknown.

Simple.

 

[ShapurII]

Ceasefire was called before Israel could meet its objectives.

Major damage both sides. True extent unknown.

Simple.

They did meet their most important objective: Destroy Iran's nuclear program.

10-50 times more economic damage was done to Iran, at least.
30 times more civilian deaths on the Iranian side.

Iranian side did not leave the NPT. Iranian side is still at the negotiating table, talking about less than 1% enrichment.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

"The Houthi missile disintegrated mid-air.

Arab reports suggest that Yemen used a cluster munition for the first time last night — a missile with a fragmentation warhead that disperses submunitions and fragments in flight.

This new type of weapon is much harder to intercept, since dozens of fragments fall simultaneously, requiring far more interception efforts. Similar technology was used by the Iranian regime during the war in June, causing widespread damage.

Of course, the UN has not condemned the use of these deadly cluster weapons against civilians."



It looks like this missile - that is exploding mid-air and deploying cluster munitions - is giving sleepless nights to the criminal settlers. Of course, their usual scapegoat is Iran. It is possible this missile that the Israelis can't stop is what drove child killer and mass murderer Benjamin Satanyahu to ask for ceasefire during the 12-day conflict.

But now that the Yemenis are deploying and they are gonna keep the pace of firing this missile until he and his Zionist killers stop the genocide in Gaza, the Zionist child killers are blaming Iran for coming up with the design and the UN for not "condemning" it. Imagine the Zionist mass murderers complaining about Iran and the UN. Good grief!

 

[Liquidator]

They did meet their most important objective: Destroy Iran's nuclear program.

Time for you to go on the ignore list.

 

[kastor ville]

he openly said Jews control the West via control of media and banking.

Somebody should tell him about the universities, Wall Street,and the big hedge funds, they control Big Tech! They control the insurance assoc, the book publishing, agency and representation, political PACs such as AIPAC, ADL, Labour Friends of Israel, Conservative Friends of Israel in the UK.....same as in Canada, Australia, and even New Zealand...lol.
In America, they control the American Bar Association, which all the lawyers operate under...the American Medical Association, the American Dental Association...whoa! I'm getting tired of typing.... The Real Estate association.....are you all getting this? This is total control of everything that makes real money!!!!! That's why the American middle class is going extinct....they've made everything unaffordable. I didn't believe any of the Nazi and European propaganda about them in the old times...I figured they were all racists....but my God, it's all been real...this is the reason they've been kicked out of 109 countries in history. They destroy everything from within.

 

[kastor ville]

Iran Defence Minister confirms Qasem Basir missile was not used in war because it was not deployed yet

they should only reveal missiles long after they are deployed and mass produced

You know....I say reveal things when they're actually used on the enemy....don't even parade it, I don't want to know what you got, let the enemy always guess...and live in doubt.

 

[ShapurII]

Time for you to go on the ignore list.

Oh, please don't. I so much enjoy your company
Bye bye

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Our response was weak. They destroyed our nuclear sites without a nosebleed, and I mean that literally.

As Clausewitz says: The fate of a nation is often decided on the battlefield, but it is confirmed at the negotiating table.
Now it is confirmed that Iran lost the 12-day battle.

But do you agree that our response and the war cost them around 1,5 billion USD a day?

 

[Persian Gulf]

You are making your devious motives too obvious on this forum.

Glory to the ISLAMIC Republic.

anyone who thinks Iran lost the 12 day war has evil motives? don't be ridiculous

 

[Persian Gulf]

don't post such nonsense

Shahab-6 are you serious? I needed that good laugh

 

[Persian Gulf]

You know....I say reveal things when they're actually used on the enemy....don't even parade it, I don't want to know what you got, let the enemy always guess...and live in doubt.

interestingly he also says we tested some new advanced missiles in the past year which the enemy observed and assessed but we didn't use these missiles in the war

I think he is referring to Fattah-2 but he also talked about a new missile with 2000kg payload

 

[ShapurII]

But do you agree that our response and the war cost them around 1,5 billion USD a day?

I don't disagree with that figure. Though, most estimates are between 8 billion to 12 billion USD, but 18 billion USD is not that far-fetched either. It's likely to be true.

But let's say it did cost them $1.5B per day. Do you think that prevents them from trying it again?
They have the US and the US has the Fed. The Fed prints USD like toilet paper and the inflation will be distributed among all the economies that depend on the USD, which is basically most of the countries in the world, particularly the largest economies.

The effects of $18B on the US or Israeli economy is not devastating enough to give us actual deterrence.

 

[kastor ville]

Well if they see such weak response from Iran, they will demand more and more, encouraged by defeatist messages from inside. It's not related to our (military) potential and response during the 12 days war, but related to our foreign and internal policy, which shows weakness, fear and passiveness. This encourages our enemies to increase pressure.

I agree, to think the Europeans are some how neutral is a mistake, The UK and Germany are squarely in the US pocket. Their policies are what the US dictates to them. Perhaps France is a bit of wildcard, but I doubt it.

 

[kastor ville]

I don't disagree with that figure. Though, most estimates are between 8 billion to 12 billion USD, but 18 billion USD is not that far-fetched either. It's likely to be true.

But let's say it did cost them $1.5B per day. Do you think that prevents them from trying it again?
They have the US and the US has the Fed. The Fed prints USD like toilet paper and the inflation will be distributed among all the economies that depend on the USD, which is basically most of the countries in the world, particularly the largest economies.

The effects of $18B on the US or Israeli economy is not devastating enough to give us actual deterrence.

Trump is a dollar and cents kind of guy...he doesn't want to spend a nickel for foreign countries....so yeah, the cost is a factor to him, no to Israel of course, they know they got the US Congress by the balls. But that era is coming to an end...if not end, a serious curtailment then.

 

[kastor ville]

Trump administration fires general who said attacks on Iran’s nuclear sites had minimal effect​

Head of US Defense Intelligence Agency Jeffrey Kruse fired alongside two senior Navy officials in latest purge.

Lieutenant-General Jeffrey Kruse's firing comes two months after details of a preliminary assessment of US air strikes against Iran found that Iran’s nuclear programme had been set back only a few months, contradicting assertions from Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu [File: Mark Schiefelbein/AP Photo]

Lieutenant-General Jeffrey Kruse's firing comes two months after details of a preliminary assessment of US air strikes against Iran found that Iran’s nuclear programme had been set back only a few months, contradicting assertions from Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu [File: Mark Schiefelbein/AP Photo]
Published On 23 Aug 202523 Aug 2025

United States Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has fired a general whose agency’s preliminary intelligence assessment angered President Donald Trump for reporting that the US attack on Iranian nuclear sites in June had inflicted limited damage, according to reports.

The Pentagon firings on Friday, which, according to US officials who spoke to the Reuters and Associated Press (AP) news agencies, also include two other senior military commanders, are the latest moves by the Trump administration to purge officials at the Department of Defense .

It was not immediately known on what grounds Lieutenant General Jeffrey Kruse, who led the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) since early 2024, was fired.

But President Trump had previously decried the agency’s initial findings on US strikes against Iran.

The initial DIA assessment – which was widely reported on by US media – contradicted claims by Trump that the strikes totally destroyed the nuclear sites, drawing the ire of both the president and officials within his administration.

Kruse “will no longer serve as DIA director”, a senior defence official said on condition of anonymity on Friday, without providing an explanation for the general’s departure.

Prior to becoming director of the DIA, Kruse served as the adviser for military affairs for the director of national intelligence, and also held positions including director of intelligence for the coalition against the ISIL (ISIS) group.

Hegseth also fired Vice Admiral Nancy Lacore, who is chief of the Navy Reserve, as well as Rear Admiral Milton Sands, a Navy SEAL officer who oversees Naval Special Warfare Command, according to officials who spoke to both AP and Reuters.

“The firing of yet another senior national security official underscores the Trump administration’s dangerous habit of treating intelligence as a loyalty test rather than a safeguard for our country,” said US Senator Mark Warner, who is the vice chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

Since beginning his second term in January, Trump has overseen a purge of top military officers, including the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Charles “CQ” Brown, whom he fired without explanation in February.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025...iran-nuclear-sites-damage-angered-trump-fired

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NOTE: As I've said before, it's an information war. Narratives are created, and when challenged internally, those who challenged them are persecuted.

Nice...the news is never complete, you have to piece it together...this is a big clue....the second one is Aragchi saying the enriched material is buried and no one has access....beautiful answer. This is how you play chess with the West. The third, is the videos trickling out of Israel showing the damage...the fourth, Iran is getting military equipment from a third party....yes, not China and not Russia......(plausible deniability). Of course now we know they're helping Iran get it's defences back online. Fifth, Iran saying they will use the more destructive missiles in the next round. All of these are things in the plus column.....so yeah, I don't think Iran lost the war, not even close....setbacks for sure, but the enemies were holding all the cards before the conflict....they showed Iran their hands, now Iran, as usual, always late to the party, is learning.