Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SolarWarden]

Armed Forces Chief of Staff: Following 12-day war, we revised our defense doctrine, shifting it to an "offensive doctrine" based on lightning & wide-ranging operations. Adopting divergent strategies, our action will be fast, decisive, & beyond US calculations.

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I don't find this very credible considering he said the opposite after the war. more likely propaganda to respond to Trump's threats. but time will tell.

If Iran strikes first then yeah I buy his claim in the sense they can cause a lot of damage to land bases but no credibility if US strikes first. US will make sure Iran's retaliation capability will be taken out first or severely degraded that it won't be considered a real threat.

 

[StrategicBear]

Why does America's opponents always have to fight alone like Saddam's Iraq, Taliban and now Iran? USA enjoys a coalition willing to fight with them but those who want to oppose the USA in war always have to fight alone... Even in Korean War, Chinese provided most of the ground troops to help NK while Soviets only provide air cover/fighter support and not ground forces.

What is this phenomenon here where countries who fight the USA always have to fight with their own ground forces alone? Even in Vietnam War the USA has the freedom to "summon" at will reinforcement ground troops from "servant countries" like South Korea, but America's opponents always have to fight alone with their own armies... This ain't fair...

 

[StrategicBear]

If Iran strikes first then yeah I buy his claim in the sense they can cause a lot of damage to land bases but no credibility if US strikes first. US will make sure Iran's retaliation capability will be taken out first or severely degraded that it won't be considered a real threat.

That's why I'm a proponent of Preemptive Strikes in a situation like this when it is clear nothing left to negotiate when one side wants to demand something Iran can't do which is limit missile size. It's clear the negotiations just to buy time until USA can bring in more forces...

Even in RPGs, battles usually end faster when we get the first drop on our enemies when we can preemptively initiate attacks against monsters before they can attack us in 2-3 more turns.

 

[Immortals]

Iran plans to offer dilution of 60% HEU to 20% HEU

there will be no deal, but war

Several FMs of neighboring countries are reported to be showing up.

I wonder if this lends credence to the “enrichment consortium” idea where Iranian centrifuges will be used at a neutral site. Wishful thinking. But, Saudi Arabia has shown interest in nuclear enrichment and it’s likely Turkey has as well.

But what you posted saying Iran Offering to dilute HEU to 20% and continue enrichment is basically dead on arrival.

Iran is coming to the table with the same offer as pre June? Bold move

 

[maverick]

Armed Forces Chief of Staff: Following 12-day war, we revised our defense doctrine, shifting it to an "offensive doctrine" based on lightning & wide-ranging operations. Adopting divergent strategies, our action will be fast, decisive, & beyond US calculations.

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I don't find this very credible considering he said the opposite after the war. more likely propaganda to respond to Trump's threats. but time will tell.

Any credibility to this claim? what options can IGRC and Iranian forces exercise?

 

[maverick]

Several FMs of neighboring countries are reported to be showing up.

I wonder if this lends credence to the “enrichment consortium” idea where Iranian centrifuges will be used at a neutral site. Wishful thinking. But, Saudi Arabia has shown interest in nuclear enrichment and it’s likely Turkey has as well.

But what you posted saying Iran Offering to dilute HEU to 20% and continue enrichment is basically dead on arrival.

Iran is coming to the table with the same offer as pre June? Bold move

This time its not about Iranian nuclear program but primarily Iranian Ballistic missile program which shattered israeli defense systems, like THAAD, David Sling, Arrow 2/3 and Iron Dome.

Israel wants complete dominance in middle east, Iran is the last country standing that can give severe beating to Israel.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Several FMs of neighboring countries are reported to be showing up.

I wonder if this lends credence to the “enrichment consortium” idea where Iranian centrifuges will be used at a neutral site. Wishful thinking. But, Saudi Arabia has shown interest in nuclear enrichment and it’s likely Turkey has as well.

But what you posted saying Iran Offering to dilute HEU to 20% and continue enrichment is basically dead on arrival.

Iran is coming to the table with the same offer as pre June? Bold move

no bolder than the US demanding limits on Iran's only weapons of self defence (missiles)

and it makes sense considering IRI does not believe it lost the June war

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[maverick]

can you also share the translation? i have missed out most of your posts, i am sure a lot of others too.

 

[maverick]

its the same ploy, Iraq Nuclear program was gone, but then the second attack was all about Iraqi remaining ballistic missile program with the pretext of WMD. At the end, the second attack on Iraq was to make sure that IRaq will never attack israel with its ballistic missiles.

This time around, its just brute force,

 

[Persian Gulf]

can you also share the translation? i have missed out most of your posts, i am sure a lot of others too.

he is saying we should use the element of surprise and attack America's base in Jordan and the jets they are storing there to seize the initiative, like when we attacked Saudi Aramco

 

[Persian Gulf]

US President Donald Trump: "Israel" would not have survived without my actions, including the "US strikes" in Iran

 

[Beast89]

can you also share the translation? i have missed out most of your posts, i am sure a lot of others too.

click on tweet and twitter translate is an option

 

[StrategicBear]

From this RT article, it seem the US is confident that if it had just more assets in place, they can "repel" an Iranian massive retaliation : https://www.rt.com/news/631848-us-iran-strike-trump/

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The US is not ready to strike Iran as it needs to deploy more air defenses to the Middle East to be able to repel a possible retaliation, the Wall Street Journal has reported, citing unnamed American officials.

Over the past few weeks, Washington has dispatched what US President Donald Trump described as a “massive and beautiful armada” to the Middle East, led by the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier, to pressure Tehran into accepting a new nuclear deal.

Despite the buildup, American airstrikes on Iran “aren’t imminent” because Washington needs to make sure that Israel, its Arab allies and US forces in the region are properly protected, the WSJ said in an article on Sunday, citing its sources.

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So, based from the article above, how realistic do you guys think the US calculated that they can perform massive bombing runs on Iran to topple the leadership and still result in 0 Ships sunk, Less than 100 US soldiers in bases throughout the region and in the USN killed?

The US seems very confident they can take down all of Iran's possible means of retaliation which could imply ensuring Straits of Hormuz can remain open while still having to hunt for thousands of SRBM, anti-ship launchers, so is their confidence really plausible or just wishful thinking from the US side they can win this war with very low casualties?

 

[VCheng]

so is their confidence really plausible or just wishful thinking from the US side they can win this war with very low casualties?

Do we really need to find out the answer to that question?

War is best avoided.