Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

dbc said:
IMHO, Trump is not going to attack Iran. He has a razor thin margin in the legislative branch. Any unprovoked attack on Iran is not supported by public opinion. Besides, the current administration will not risk any US casualties so worst case we're looking at long range stand off munitions. I believe the administration is posturing or waiting for a false flag justification that will turn public opinion. I personally don't want hostilities between our nations and I'm hopeful the American public are finally waking up to the fact that this hostility is engineered by a third party.
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he doesnt give a s**t about the war act presidents are supposed to do

He will simply attack iran unilaterally.... i do not have faith in trump to even conduct midterms

Jews have installed trump to do their bidding
 
Saw some videos last night and the main take away were:
1) Per credible Alastair Crooke: China is sharing satellite info with Iran showing the American deployments and that Iran is going to fire its missile if/when it sees an actual attack being launched.
2) Iran is more united than given credit for and they will fight like hell if a war is imposed and have wisely used resources in missiles, drones, and space program, something only Pakistan does in the regional Muslim world.
3) Trump is caught in a bad place with the deployments: If he attacks then huge risks to his Presidency and if he doesn't then those in the MIC, Zionist lobbies, his big donors will not be kind to him.
 
Meengla said:
Saw some videos last night and the main take away were:
1) Per credible Alastair Crooke: China is sharing satellite info with Iran showing the American deployments and that Iran is going to fire its missile if/when it sees an actual attack being launched.
2) Iran is more united than given credit for and they will fight like hell if a war is imposed and have wisely used resources in missiles, drones, and space program, something only Pakistan does in the regional Muslim world.
3) Trump is caught in a bad place with the deployments: If he attacks then huge risks to his Presidency and if he doesn't then those in the MIC, Zionist lobbies, his big donors will not be kind to him.
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frankly i think this will backfire on the israelis and americans as iran also last time united against their attacks

Monarchists are loud but i do not think they outnumber the current regime's supporters seeing the Shah was a bigger oppresser then khamenei
 
BananaRepublic said:
I don’t think US will win - in the sense that they will not install the clown Prince as leader.
Iranians will kill him on arrival.
US will not commit ground troops.
But they will bomb Iran to the dark ages.
Unless Iran heeds Scott Ritter’s advice.
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What advice of Scott Ritter? That to lay low until the Trump admin leaves power? That was what he used to say several months ago, I don't know what he says now.
But I think events have gone to the point of no return: One way or another, now or later, Netanyahu is going to try to neutralize the Iranian missile threat and no amount of appeasement by Iran, short of giving up the lethality and the reach of its Iranian missile program, is going to remove the threat.
Scott is wrong if he is still parroting the nukes as part of his solutions.
 
BananaRepublic said:
Yes! They undoubtedly did.
But they could have done more.
If they weren’t ready to do more - they should have bid their time instead of giving the Zionists an excuse.
They should have followed the China strategy of patience - over Taiwan.
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Iran lost its post 1979 gains in early 2025 when the three milia fronts bordering Israel folded. This point really needs to be understood to understand what's happening now. The initiative is with Israel since early 2025 and no 'strategic patience' etc is going to help. Things worked, until they stopped working for Iran.
Bitter truth!
 
SolarWarden said:
t is a Development no longer, but rather, was blown to smithereens by our Great B-2 Bombers. Razin Caine is a Great Fighter, and represents the Most Powerful Military anywhere in the World.""He has not spoken of not doing Iran, or even the fake limited strikes that I have been reading about, he only knows one thing, how to WIN and, if he is told to do so, he will be leading the pack.""Everything that has been written about a potential War with Iran has been written incorrectly, and purposefully so.""I am the one that makes the decision, I would rather have a Deal than not but, if we don’t make a Deal, it will be a very bad day for that Country and,
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Yes, it is eventually just one person, Mr. Trump, who is going to decide. He may even ignore JD Vance and Tulsi Gabbart who are senior members of his admin. A great con artist, a former media star, Mr. I know it all, the greatest leader of a democracy. Just one person's biases, his ego, and his vulnerabilities. Some 'democracy', my a$$.

And this is another post in last few pages where this Razin Caine guy is mentioned, which makes me think there maybe some truth in some in American military brass resigning in case of a full fledged war against Iran. Similar things were said by either Col. Lawrence Wilkerson or Larry C. Johnson a few years ago when the Israel-Gaza war was raging and Netanyahu wanted to attack Iran to make Hezbollah stop against Israel. Both Lawrence and Larry have backgrounds in American security establishment. Per them, the then Def. Sec. Lloyd Austin had given a firm warning to Netanyahu to not attack Iran.
 
Iran must keep "finger on trigger" alert levels at all times. Must remain alert day or night, Sehri or Aftaar timings. If many military personal / leaders get busy during Sahoor or aftaar than its a golden window for americans which they can utilize.

There's no off-ramp here for US now. They will not go without doing any sort of strikes. Strikes could be limited or weeks long that is another debate. But Iran must do all preparations considering worst case scenarios.
 
Do Iranian missile boats come into equation in this conflict? Iran likely has 100s of missile boats but what's the range of those boats and whats the range of the missiles onboard those boats? If Iran deploy those boats then I assume these should be accompanied by boats for limited air defense (like AA guns, shoulder fired SAMs ) as US can use gunship helis / A-10s against those boats

@Persian Gulf
 
Pak-Warrior said:
Iran must keep "finger on trigger" alert levels at all times. Must remain alert day or night, Sehri or Aftaar timings. If many military personal / leaders get busy during Sahoor or aftaar than its a golden window for americans which they can utilize.
There's no off-ramp here for US now. They will not go without doing any sort of strikes. Strikes could be limited or weeks long that is another debate. But Iran must do all preparations considering worst case scenarios.
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I imagine it is equally difficult for the American fleet to be in those ships for a long time; already some reporting big toilet issues on one air craft carrier.
 
Trump will absolutely not stop.
He gained the experience of success, that forcing through actions despite opposition, whether the surprise attack on Iran in June 2025 or the invasion of Venezuela, led to great success.
By readily agreeing to a ceasefire, Iran itself opened the door to a full-scale invasion, making war now unavoidable.
If Iran continues to retreat in this manner, Trump may even come to believe that a nuclear strike would be acceptable.
 
aerospace_enthusiast_newb said:
As far as I know, the U.S. has several times prevented the Iraqis from purchasing an air defense system. They threatened sanctions against Iraq when they wanted to purchase the Russian S-300 and S-400. They refused to sell Patriot or THAAD. They also threatened sanctions against Iraq for trying to purchase Chinese systems.

Last I read was that the Iraqis were finally allowed to purchase an air defense system...from South Korea. Sources:

Iraq leans on Korea in arms shift from U.S., Russia.

Could Iraq's new South Korean air defences become a target for Israel?

Relevance to the topic: According to the Iraqi Min of Def, the system should be delivered by Q1 2026, and possibly fully integrated by Q2 2026. This is directly relevant to possible Israeli campaign against Iran.

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Also from the same article:


The question is: What would prevent the Israelis from striking them or knocking them out?
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On of the things Israel is worried about is the Iraqis and Syrians arming themselves, getting A.D and starting building their Air Force

Even a basic A.D and Air Force would require Israel to first hit Syria and Iraq to pass over their air space

Combine that with time for Iran to build its own A.D network, airforce and missiles then Israel feels the clock ticking and sees now as the best is not only time to attack Iran

Another year and the odds against Israel stack up
 
Here is a hypothetical but likely scenario for the war, if it happens:

1. The USN will stay way out of the range of Iran's AshBMs initially.
2. The USAF and the IAF will bomb Iranian missile sites and OTH radars in the opening hour of the war aggressively. They will also assassinate top commanders of Iranian forces, particularly the IRGC.
3. After Iran's OTH radars and missile sites have been neutralized, the USN will get close to Iranian shores to strike the remaining targets using cruise missiles, particularly the police, Basij and anti-riot forces.

In the meantime, Kurdish and Baluch separatists will start attacking Iranian border cities while the remaining anti-IR forces in Tehran, Isfahan, Shiraz and other major cities will attack police stations and strategic targets like the IRIB, the parliament, the airports, etc.

This way the US will incur minimal casualties and Trump will be able to save face by saying that he did take care of Iran's BM threat and helped Iranians.
 
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