Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[925boy]

Conclusion????

Iran has effective control of movement in the strait of Hormuz, and it only took Iran a few days.

This war has proved so many on this forum wrong!!

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

That is my problem then, not yours.

And how does this help Iran get out of the present obvious predicament?

no, biased person cannot understand truth!

perspectives dont exist in scientific truth!

lastly, dont beat up, non-existent arguments!

IR, is destroyed, there are no predicament here, all of that lie in our east

 

[ToddE]

The Syrian civil war is a whole messy topic.

As far as Turkey, like it or not, they know how to play the geopolitical game. You don’t run your mouth and antagonize your enemies until you are self sufficient. Turkeys weapons industry has grown exponentially over the past 20 years. It is and will be a bigger force to reckon with.

Iran calling U.S. and Israel Satan and making hostile threats only gave it sanctions and hindered the growth of Iran and its capabilities.

You have to play the geopolitical game to get what you want. It’s best to lay low and work on building your country. Play the long game.

How many SLVs has it launched on its own? Any Tristaged-kickoff sat bus deliverer that can actually put meaningful Sats even in LEO ?

Does it have any real Sat-Nav support of its own?

What happens if GPS is jammed by superior enemy?

50% of jet is its engine. The single most critical piece of tech in a combat aviation which is the reasononly few countries (superpowers) have monolpoly over fighter jet market. Where would they get its reliable turbofans from (not talking about aviation expo products, real reliable ones)? Assembling a plane is one thing but having your own tech that cant be sanctioned or used for blackmail matters. Turkey is asking for EF-2000 mind you and was trying to procure F-35, showed some interest in SU-57.

Turkey has few Conventional SRBMs with no separate aerospace command or infrastructure. Do they have them in thousands ? Would these conventional Ballistics work against multilayered ABM? Are there missiles bases that can tackle enemy targetting the TELs in bulk? Where would they hide the missile storage units in case enemy tries to cripple the infrstructure? We have been through these things. We know what happens in actual war against armed to teeth first world enemy supported by superpower.

If recent wars have taught us anything, its that airforces are good for shock n awe campaign for few days but eventually the country with large hypersonic BMs, MaRVs, Supersonic LACMs inventory will have the last laugh because airbases will be taken out or crippled. Attack weaponry has far exceeded ABM/AD. In Recent conflicts, modern airdefences have choked against Khinzal (ALBM), P-800/Oniks/Brahmosc (High superonic CM), Golden Horizon (Separating MaRV Hypersonic ALBM), Fattah-I (Hypersonic MaRV), Kheybar Shikan (Skip-Glide high KE MaRV MRBM). Israeli ABM/AD is layered with worlds best HIMADS/MIDADS and SHORADS. They take Search n track cues from US ground, sea and SAT based passive and active sats that sends real time search and track data to Israelis who just merely have to shoot the projectile without even wasting time on Seraching or Tracking it. You know even with this much support how many Fattah and KS of IRGC they were able to shoot down ? Zero ..despite being fired in numbers. They landed on Bazan oil field, their military tech parks and research institutes, power plants, their hospitals, neighbourhoods without much trouble ... Thats how advanced attack weaponry is becoming compared to AD and ABM, globally. Turkey currently has 5 FABs towards Israel, with primitive AD compared to that of Israel ... so please tell what happens if an enemy launches 700-800 BMs (Quasi, hypersonic ALBMs) at these bases ? Israelis launched hundreds of ALBMs against Iran, what would Turkey do against such attack ? this is what Erdogan has done to Turkey by keeping it a conventionally and mildly armed when it should have moved to strategically armed state. Had it been the other case, west would choke Turkey through inflation because half the GDP is foriegn debt. I am not against Turkey by any means, we share blood and culture but I am stating facts that even a sane Turkish analyst will agree upon.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Video below explain why Netanyahu doesn't allow filming of what's really happening in Tel Aviv :



NOTE: As we can see, ALL iranian missels has being hit their targets.

Old video from last year

 

[Kyussis]

hoping against hope this news is true
but currently no confirm source about it. there is one video of two parachutes but that looks like of yak being shot downed yesterday

The Video of the yak downing has been released and it does not look like pilot survived. The two Parachutes seen yesterday were not from the Yak.

 

[ToddE]

Agree, these Israelis/Jews are indeed the best long term planners ever. I have found then fairly predictable though and they also have another attribute similar to right wingers, they cannot help but tell you exactly what they plan to do. You can find Israelis or Jews speaking decades, sometimes a century in advance of a topic like what they will do to the Palestinians, the wider Mideast or why they want to attack Iran.

It's the fault of the Muslims that they were not listening nor bothering to study their enemies. Even now I think the wider Mideast dismisses Greater Israel as another silly conspiracy theory.

True. They create biases in minds of stupid masses and then feed on them until the populations are conditions.

Look at this thread, some users cant just get over their bias that Jew run Lord Erdogan with half GDP being debt, supplying 6 Billion worth supplies including oil n gas (critical supplies), cutting enemies of Israel's supply lines ... can be anything but a Jew run pup.

 

[VCheng]

IR, is destroyed, there are no predicament here, all of that lie in our east

According to the conventional Atlas of the world, the last time I checked it, Iran was to the WEST of Pakistan, not east.

And it is not destroyed. There is much that can still be salvaged and the damages reduced.

 

[ToddE]

The Syrian civil war is a whole messy topic.

As far as Turkey, like it or not, they know how to play the geopolitical game. You don’t run your mouth and antagonize your enemies until you are self sufficient. Turkeys weapons industry has grown exponentially over the past 20 years. It is and will be a bigger force to reckon with.

Iran calling U.S. and Israel Satan and making hostile threats only gave it sanctions and hindered the growth of Iran and its capabilities.

You have to play the geopolitical game to get what you want. It’s best to lay low and work on building your country. Play the long game.

1) Half of Turkish GDP is western and Jew debt. If westerners and their master Jews wants they can cripple Turkey to a literal cave society. They did it before when Lira fell to ground and that was just the glimpse to threaten Erdoo into submission which he did. Hand that feeds you controls your entire body. Strategic decision making of the nation is no longer in your hand, its controlled by those who fund the state. Russian foriegn debt is minimal, its has massive resources through which it blackmails EU.

2) Turkey being resourceless cant even survive half the sanctions Iran has survived. IRI atleast sold its massive oil to china and black market clientele, what will Turkey sell ? fanboy words from your mouth ? See what happened to DPRK with a GDP less than Tehran city now, dependent upon China for food so that malnourished dwarved up gaunt populace can survive. This happens when you are sanctioned to a crippling status and you have no resources to sell. Thats the Turkish case as well with half the sanctions IRI went through.

3) Turkey is not allowed any strategic military asset like nuclear or missile strike capability. Their have few open airbases with western imported conventional military like KSA. Few chinese imported missiles, few local TBMs/SRBMs, few TELs with no dedicated missile bases or command structure, underground cities, corps for reciprocating strikes like IRGCASF did tit-for-tat (Fajr oil vs Bazan, SPND vs Weizmann, soroka, Shokol) to establish deterence. If IAF and US wants they can (A) cripple Turkey with sanctions, the GDP will crash being built on Jew debt (B) Arm up PKK, arm up extremists elements in Turkish society which trust me being their blood related bordering ethnicity, I know more than you (C) IAF can launch 500 ALBMs/ALCM/SOWs on few Turkish airbases bases and there you go. Thats what they did against Iran. IRGCASF atleast fired back, what will Turkey do ? Russia can destroy half the planet. ROFL. Stop bringing its example. Also what are you even on about CoC ? Israel killed Iranian generals IRGCASF still went on to fire 600-700 missiles, passing through worlds most hi tech ABM /AD layers of US and Israeli kinetic and nonkinetic defence. They reciprocated strikes on oil fields, hospitals, strategic centers to deterence as enemy did not fire back again on these assets, they kept firing till ceasefire was forced. You think what US and Israelis could not achieve together will be single handedly achieved by our own massively debted conventionally armed blood cousins who again we know more deeply than you can ever do ? your new found love for Turkish can not change the reality of entire globe.

4) Above are the reasons Turkey kept supplying 6 Billion USD worth raw materials to Israel at peak holocaust of "sunni" arabs by Israel like a god pup. Erdogan knows what Israel will do to him and Turkey if he does not do what they tell him to do. Thats why his "opposition" to Israel is limited to barking on podiums only to fool people like you.

 

[Mutakalim]

Video below explain why Netanyahu doesn't allow filming of what's really happening in Tel Aviv :



NOTE: As we can see, ALL iranian missels has being hit their targets.

Video in reverse!

 

[BHAN85]

If China publish so many things, where is the primary official Chinese source? What url?

Weibo account of Mizarvision stopped publishing new satellite images the day war started.

I'm tired of see non-Chinese accounts talking in the name of Chinese, like if China had not internet .

Let China speak and publish Chinese sources.

I read www.globaltimes.cn and I don't see a single little damn support to Iran.

 

[hussain0216]

Assad's fall in Syria maybe a double edged sword. Short term, a debacle for Lebanon and Palestine. But who is to say if/when the Al Sharra Jolani, with the Turkish backing and the Sunni world's support, may not turn on Israel? As far as I can tell, as long as Erdogan or his ideology reigns in Turkey, then Turkey is a threat to Israel.



Yup, "our" new oil reserves! What a Freudian Slip! And yet some were saying VZ about 'drugs'. There was hardly any chatter about VZ being a drug conduit before toppling Maduro and there is hardly any chatter about VZ about a drug conduit since Maduro fell.

I've said this before, Syria and Turkey priority number one was subdue the SDF, which has been done

Next will be to start preparing and arming Syria and then use international law (as worthless as it is) to regain all Syrian territory including the Golan heights

One of the reasons Israel has been so vocal against Turkey of late is because it sees Turkey spreading its wings across the region


Sometimes it's easy to be all doomsday, but this is a region wide conflict against the Zionists that will go on and on because at its core their are still millions of Palestinians still stuck in occupied Palestine

 

[SteppeWolff]

Trump on the Iranian leadership:
They are wasting their time. Khamenei's son is a lightweight.
I have to be involved in the appointment, like with Delcy in Venezuela.
Khamenei's son is unacceptable to me.
We want someone that will bring harmony and peace to Iran.

how this man is the president of US is beyond me

Even firoun might have not been this arrogant. This dog will burn soon IA

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

According to the conventional Atlas of the world, the last time I checked it, Iran was to the WEST of Pakistan, not east.

I seriously thought, you were mature and a serious gentleman!

I will never argue with you again!

serious issues with you

You argue as if you are the custodian of any one else's understanding of truth itself, as if only your version of reality is not only possible it is virtually certain .

Honestly, man, you talk like there is no room for any other possibility.

 

[jamal18]

You need a navy for that; Iran lost its Naval fleet last I checked.

UAV's, land based anti-ship missiles, mines, regular artillery fire....

 

[Kyussis]

Why dafuq a Yak-130 would be flying with 2 pilots? IRIAF aint that dumb to fly training sorties over Tehran in middle of a war. If Yak-130 was flying in combat role, itd have one pilot only.

It didn't. Those two pilots where from an F-15.