Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[MS Sandhu]

The Iranians have a deep history of power and empire.

Let's not go there.

History can't save Iran.
Contrarily, it's enemies are just a century old or two.

 

[RescueRanger]

You know some may see thisnas a sign of Qayamat.

“Then watch for the Day when the sky will bring forth a visible smoke, enveloping the people. This is a painful punishment.” (Quran 44:10–11)

Muslims everywhere should repent especially considering its Ramzan.

 

[VCheng]

What's the point of negotiations with such a state and people?

That is a question for the parties to the conflict to answer.

 

[r3alist]

What each side would be willing to willing to negotiate on will depend on who, if anyone, is able to gain the upper hand to be able to negotiate from a position of strength. That is all war does - to give one's side a stronger position at the table.

Whether that strength is with Iran or USA remains to be seen, and hence too early to talk about what each side may or may not be willing to accept.

But the question was, what is the valid framing of American or Israeli demands?
Trump has just said that he wants to choose the next Iranian leadership


If you mean ultimately the powerful will have more ability to negotiate okay fine, who does not know that?

But can you elaborate on what a valid negotiation actually is, otherwise it is just abstract truisms

 

[maverick]

This asymmetric warfare will lead Iran to make a bomb. i wont be surprised that they will make nuke incase ground next 3 to 4 weeks out of 480kg UF6 they have

 

[r3alist]

Let's not go there.

History can't save Iran.
Contrarily, it's enemies are just a century old or two.

I never said it would save them, I said that it will dominate the mindset of Iran and Iranians

They had a 10-year bloody war with Iraq as well.


If you understand this then you will not be Framing in the way you are

 

[MS Sandhu]

That is a question for the parties to the conflict to answer.

Then why are you wasting the bandwidth?
Throwing open ended statements here and there doesn't serve any purpose

 

[Bengal71]

The issue is that the supplies worldwide are running low to start off with. There is also the ongoing war in Ukraine that needs them as well.

You cannot get what is not immediately available.

They can't be produced in great numbers either, probably can't be produced at all since there is a rare earth ban from China.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Iran has no path to survival other than establishing a war leadership system through national mobilization and a strong government, becoming a military state like Yemen.
Pursuing economic growth without establishing security is meaningless; it will all be blown away by bombing and end.
Establishing security comes first, then the economy.
Iran got this sequence wrong and ended up in an irreversible situation.
Neither North Korea nor Pakistan made this mistake in sequence.
Iran must follow Yemen and North Korea's example, dig underground tunnels beneath cities, relocate hospitals, schools, and factories underground, and fortify the entire nation.
Both the GCC and the United States fear most that a combat ready nation like Yemen, reborn as Iran, will reign over the Strait of Hormuz as an eternal enemy.
Therefore, only when Iran resolutely advances its project to transform into a military state will they seriously consider genuine negotiations to stop it.

Ditto! I said national mobilization last time around. It is D day already. The pacificists cannot save the day... they live in what could be... chasing a utopia... the real world throws real bombs and takes away your right of freedom, water, your identity, civilization and faith.
Iran hasn't attacked another nation before US became a state! Yet war found its way because a tiny parasite from Europe came to rule!

 

[codeforfood]

We can but wait and see. Both sides know this war cannot last for too long, and will eventually need to come to the negotiating table, sooner or later.

In my opinion, bringing Israel and usa to the negotiating table means Iran has achieved something. Of course they need some guarantors who matters to be present on that negotiating table for outcomes and agreements to hold.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

93 , 193 or even 1093 million
That doesn't matter.
What matters most is their industrial backbone to mount destruction on enemy while having the capacity to absorb the same from enemy.
Iran neither has the capability to bring the proportional fire power to battlefield nor the capacity to absorb that firepower of enemy.

For enemies, it's a war of choice
For Iran, in just 8 days, it has become a war of survival.
So again at this rate, in my assessment, Iran will have to make compromises in a month or two.

are you for real?
dude, how old are you?

 

[Exped-33]

But, the question is, does USA need to do more than 200 strikes per day to exert a sustained amount of military pressure on Tehran? Those 200 strikes per day may be sufficient to cripple infrastructure, oil supply chains etc.

I am only speculating of course. I just see no reason to assume USA's supply chain for munitions is somehow compromised. Other nations from around the world have also been summoned to supply munitions to fill any supply chain gaps, which would have been expected.

Hormuz Strait blockade remains Iran's best strategy to harm its enemy economically.

That and bombing Tel Aviv. Make Israelis rebel against their pedophile leader.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

That is a general statement that applies to everybody who allows hatred to flourish, no matter who, since hatred only destroys the hater by disallowing rationality and logic.

No matter who it is.

Listen... hater can hate all they want within their four walls... US and zion are not those haters... these bite. And during negotiations!

 

[r3alist]

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

what is there for China to do?? Iran is fighting remarkably well right now. So far none of US strategic goals have been achieved

this war is poised to become another big L for Trump 2.0. way bigger than Doge and tariffs I'd say

Right and right!
However this donkey pulling cart for zion and that demon is on short fuse.
They'll take the world with them is their moto!