Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

It is late in the day here--well, almost 1 am NYC time. I am muddled and tired.
IMO, because this is a Pakistani forum after all: Pakistan will never take part in any action against Iran to cause injuries inside Iran even with Pakistan's dire economic needs on GCC Arab countries. Pakistan, even if it didn't have the largest Shia Muslim population, is too ideological of a State to act against any Muslim nation.
Good night.

 

[Immortals]

 

[kobra]

358 Majid and similar anti drone sams needed to relocate after every downing of hermes, mq9 etc. Downed hermes can still alert the whereabouts of the rocket launch to planes like F16s flying higher by seeing the infrared flashes of rockets. Rocket launch sites of 358, Majid should be separated from the vehicle itself. That is another solution if the seeker-tracker does not move.

wacth after 9:00 mark for truck launched mobile system, quick to move affter the take down..

 

[Falcon29]

 

[ety]

So it the visit being cancelled?

Not sure yet. Trump sort of invited himself to Beijing in the beginning. Don't know if Chinese gov is going to deny him now.

 

[FHN]

 

[FUB]

 

[vizier]

wacth after 9:00 mark for truck launched mobile system, quick to move affter the take down..

Yes and other than moving 358 is a good option because it is a jet engine missile. It has less infrared flash signature while launching than a rocket based one. The problem with moving is they can potentially detect the object by radar doppler shift from air but it is difficult with a smaller vehicle. There can be measures against doppler shift that as well Ukraine uses shoot-scoot all the time against Russia for example.
The other option is camouflaging the sensor and launching from a separat site a distance away.

 

[pakistaniandproud]

 

[FUB]

 

[Falcon29]

They have created a perception of invincibility by giving severe beatings to Arabs in bulk in past. IDF this, Mossad that ... they dont want this perception to be gone

That went gone on October 7 by Hamas

at any costs despite getting hit by IRGC for 15 consecutive days, hence comes severe censorship and gag orders, control of MSM etc to maintain this perception otherwise why would they even place this censorship regime if no one is dying ? why arrests over leaks? why extreme media blackouts ?

Ironically few stupid arabs try to peddle this Jew narrative BS in hatred for Iran while not realizing that the foundation of this "perception" is the reason their own Arab governments saw Gazan Arabs turned into meat shreds and yet did nothing just out of fear of this image Jews fooled them with.

Nobody hates Iran you're just under some distress

 

[codeforfood]

But I am surprised how little grassroots opposition there has been from the public, compared to, for example, the 2003 war on Iraq. Except from the far-left Democrats and a few pure MAGA, most Democrats and Republicans are - may be slightly apprehensive and worried if things may go wrong - but otherwise holding their tongue. I think the lack of ground invasion is the main reason. There was similarly little public resentment against the 1999 NATO air attacks on Serbia.

I think the other reason is that amount of conflicts in the last quarter of the century has made us less sensitive and our moral compass is getting compromised too. I mean clearly this is an unjust war and most of us are just sitting in and really not paying much attention here in usa.

 

[ToddE]

That went gone on October 7 by Hamas

Wars matter in which IDF has reigned supreme against coalition of Arabs, they lost lands, literally lands. That too decades back when USSR was supplying them weapons, post USSR no Arab country has ever fired a bullet in direction of Israel out of fear. Stupid Terrorism or militant attacks here and there means nothing otherwise US and Russian Armed forces are below some stupid terror networks they have faced bombings from.

Nobody hates Iran you're just under some distress

Only one under distress is you because your beloved Israel (basically your genocider) and US (enabler) is losing the war against IRI that you have bias against. They have created a perception of invincibility by giving severe beatings to Arabs in bulk in past. IDF this, Mossad that ... they dont want this perception to be gone at any costs despite getting hit by sanctioned for decades IRGC for 15 consecutive days, hence comes severe censorship and gag orders, control of MSM etc to maintain this perception otherwise why would they even place this censorship regime if no one is dying ? why arrests over leaks? why extreme media blackouts ?

Ironically arabs like you try to peddle this Jew narrative BS in hatred for Iran while not realizing that the foundation of this "perception" is the reason your own Arab "brother" governments saw your people turned into meat shreds and yet did nothing just out of fear of this image Jews fooled them with. Do you realize this damage you are doing to your own people by peddling zio propaganda and censorship ?

 

[Fatman17]

 

[codeforfood]

This isn't a preemptive war; this is a "preventive" war. And there are no, none, nada, legal justification for a "preventive war."

My wife said this

Preemptive War is legal in international terms, BUT it has strict guidance on how this works, and 3 condition must be met before you can call a war a preemptive war

1.) An attack on your own country is imminent and will be destructive.
2.) There are no alternatives
3.) had already tried a diplomatic solution, but it didn't work.

Unless the US has intelligence that Iran is about to attack the US (Not just bases in the Middle East, but the US Mainland) and it is imminent, it's not a month after or a year after, 1 did not fulfill.

You can argue whether or not 2 is fulfilled, and 3 is fulfilled.

A Preventive War is to prevent something from happening, that's not legal in any shape, way or form, and it is what the current US administration is using to fight Iran, because it prevents Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons, well, at least this is what the President said, and it's not legal in any international law.

Well our president has moved on from that argument of nuclear to other things. It's a moving goal post for him. Whenever he likes he moves it.