Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SolarWarden]

Any valid source? 2x got destroyed or 1?

Only source for now and the one pic of a c-130 burning.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

 

[Immortals]

There have been Iranians on this forum that insisted we didn't need an air force and shouldn't invest in one because we have missiles.
Now you can see the result of their theories.

those people were idiots.

But interceptors arriving wouldn’t have changed the battle because the establishment decided that a small S-300 order and whatever Iranian defense industry could produce would be enough against the greatest airforce in the world.

I routinely said to purchase S-400 on top of S-300 and also buy anything else we can get our hands on to create the densest air defense we can.

Did you know Syria in 2011 had a more dense air defense network than Iran in 2025?

Hard to believe, but Assad had one of the densest air defense networks for an Arab country. He lost it over time due to civil war and defections and Israeli strikes after his forces had to retreat.

 

[Garcia Sea]

This is a huge blunder.
US special forces demonstrated that they can freely infiltrate deep into Iranian territory, even transport planes, without suffering any losses.
Trump will likely gain momentum for deploying ground troops.
Iran's defenses have been exposed to a critical vulnerability.
They have made the same mistake as Hussein's army, which panicked and fled because they believed the US lacked the courage to launch a ground attack.
The Revolutionary Defense was stunned and helpless, never imagining that the US military would calmly infiltrate.
The operation of drones and missiles that can be launched from a distance is completely different from ground warfare, which requires bold, flexible thinking and courage.
Unfortunately, IRI is terribly lacking in ground warfare capabilities.

 

[ShapurII]

You don't seem to understand that U.S does not conduct CSAR missions without all kinds of support including close air support and fighter cover. How many IRIAF asset+ pilots would you like to lose going up against F-35s backed up by AWACS for one airman?

Well, I suppose that's what you get when your enemy establishes air superiority over your territory on the first day of war. That's why I insisted for years that we needed an air force and missiles will never be able to replace that.

So, to be clear, when the US sets foot on our islands or our southern territory, will you bring up the same excuse?

 

[Timurlaine]

I told yall US will get their boys.

crazy profile pic

 

[hasn2009]

There have been Iranians on this forum that insisted we didn't need an air force and shouldn't invest in one because we have missiles.
Now you can see the result of their theories.

Iran does need an air force, true, but whatever Iran had managed would've been decimated within couple of days.
So if Iran had diverted missiles money towards airforce, today Iran would neither have the airforce and nor have the missiles.

 

[SolarWarden]

The odds were not against the WSO since Iran had no helicopter with IR that could take off due to US controlling the airspace.

 

[ResurgentIran2]

If the report turns out to be true of US blowing up two C130s, the operation in material terms cant be really be considered much of a success. Thats several millions of loss in equipment. To save one crew member.

But for the US and for Trump specifically, the symbolism and propaganda victory of this operation makes up for those material losses.

 

[TallarnDesertRaider]

There have been Iranians on this forum that insisted we didn't need an air force and shouldn't invest in one because we have missiles.
Now you can see the result of their theories.

Honestly I can see an argument for not investing in one because in any meaningful conflict all that would just get shot down, obviously missiles don't really replace their function, but that could be a concession the military forces made doctrinally. It's a question of what you want to focus on and for what reason, not necessarily trying to max out all defenses in every area.

 

[Kyussis]

This is literally perfect Hollywood material, a pilot stranded in enemy territory for several days trying to evade combined with a CSAR operation that is stuff of legends.

Yes for Americans. Not for Iranians.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Director:
We need the "hooks" , with this pilot story to get Sympathy points for this failing war , and Elections

If you Die with Stroke , the movie was wasted

 

[SolarWarden]

If the report turns out to be true of US blowing up two C130s, the operation in material terms cant be really be considered much of a success. Thats several millions of loss in equipment.

But for the US and for Trump specifically, the symbolism and propaganda victory of this operation makes up for those material losses.

Come on dude it's a success. Materials are replaceable a fighter pilot/person is not this is a win.

 

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[ShapurII]

those people were idiots.

But interceptors arriving wouldn’t have changed the battle because the establishment decided that a small S-300 order and whatever Iranian defense industry could produce would be enough against the greatest airforce in the world.

I routinely said to purchase S-400 on top of S-300 and also buy anything else we can get our hands on to create the densest air defense we can.

Did you know Syria in 2011 had a more dense air defense network than Iran in 2025?

Hard to believe, but Assad had one of the densest air defense networks for an Arab country. He lost it over time due to civil war and defections and Israeli strikes after his forces had to retreat.

To think that four battalions of S-300 PMU2 would be enough for a country the size of Iran is beyond absurd. And they insisted that we didn't need to purchase AD all the time. How many Bavar-373s were spotted in operation? We were defenseless all this time.

Even North Korea with a GDP that is 10-15 times smaller than Iran had a denser AD network than Iran prior to 2024, let alone now.