Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SecularNationalist]

What's more embarrassing than the enemy able to operate deep into enemy territory with helicopters, refueling and for days able to extract multiple pilots with limited damage. Let's not be delusional here.

Yea that definitely shows the incompetence of Irani army soldiers. This was the best time to use shoulder Manpads Russia provided them.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

2 airplanes or 4?

F-15
A-10
2x C130 (this is recent news)

 

[Cicero]

To me what's concerning has been the lack of footage of official military response to the downing of the F-15. We see police shooting with small arms at choppers, tribal people with 50 year old rifles hiking through the mountains. It makes me wonder the ability of conventional forces to organize and transport, which may be necessary if their is a limited invasion of numerous islands or coastline.

 

[flyingorca]

4 airplanes destroyed in 1 day, 2 helicopters hit (injured personnel) plus 2nd Pilot who got rescued is injured as well and hid in some remote mountainous area. I call it a win for Iran.

Bro, US has thousands of C130 F16s F15s Blackhawks in their storage. Losing even 20 airframes wont put a dent. Rescuing their pilots is a HUGE morale boost for its pilots and ground troops.
Capture of Abhinotdone still haunts india.

 

[SecularNationalist]

I'm speaking as an American

We lost 6-8 aircraft in 48 hours, not counting drones, because Trump administration incompetence, over area where enemy doesn't have much advanced AA capabilities.

We Americans haven't recollected such events since Vietnam war.

Are you white American or pakistani American?

 

[Kyussis]

Well, I suppose that's what you get when your enemy establishes air superiority over your territory on the first day of war. That's why I insisted for years that we needed an air force and missiles will never be able to replace that.

So, to be clear, when the US sets foot on our islands or our southern territory, will you bring up the same excuse?

Unlike you, I don't think that people on PDF get to set policy for Iran's armed forces. You can dream about a fancy airforce that can defeat F-22s and F-35s all you want but that was never an option. if Anyone in Iran was dumb enough to think that they didn't need the IRGC's missile force because the air force could handle it, we would have already lost this war!

 

[Toxic]

I'm speaking as an American

We lost 6-8 aircraft in 48 hours, not counting drones, because Trump administration incompetence, over area where enemy doesn't have much advanced AA capabilities.

We Americans haven't recollected such events since Vietnam war.

Equipment is easily replaceable for the Americans, the current conflict isn't even remotely comparable to Vietnam, In Nam the Americans were losing a average 2-3 aircraft per day for 19 years straight, entire platoons would get slaughtered at LZs.

 

[ShapurII]

If you are going to determine the war by how many enemy soldiers the Iranian side kills then you will not have a favorable view.

Israel and U.S. will always be having a higher kill ratio against Iran. Those are the facts.

This type of operation was good experience for Iran and also to prevent Iran from getting to cocky as the last few weeks have been mostly Iranian momentum. These Iranian officials needed to be humbled a bit.

Iran needs to see its flaws and work to mitigate them the best it can during this war. Better to find out the problems during this operation then finding out on the islands of Kharg or at Isfahan nuclear complex.

The 12 day war taught Iran how to hide and use its missile bases better which directly translated to better performance this war as acknowledge by US media and U.S. intelligence services.

You know I have never done that. Obviously, the number of kills does not determine the outcome of the war, but when your enemy is threatening to launch a ground invasion, and they complete a CSAR mission without a single soldier killed in action, that only emboldens them to proceed with their plans.

This was a good wakeup call for Iran, I agree with you. But it also showed a fundamental weakness in our defense which cannot be resolved during this war and will take years to resolve. It exposed a critical weakness.

Anyway, let's not argue over things that haven't happened yet. Let's see what will happen in future, but if the US launches a ground invasion of Iran, things may not go as smoothly as they have been so far.

 

[Immortals]

First Documented use of Air Burst warhead by Iran in the war

 

[Cicero]

I'm speaking as an American

We lost 6-8 aircraft in 48 hours, not counting drones, because Trump administration incompetence, over area where enemy doesn't have much advanced AA capabilities.

We Americans haven't recollected such events since Vietnam war.

The U.S. lost 52 fixed wing aircraft and 23 helicopters in the Gulf War. In the Iraq war the U.S. lost nearly 150 helicopters. Losses have actually been at a minimum both from Iranian fire and friendly fire thus far.

 

[FUB]

 

[ShapurII]

Unlike you, I don't think that people on PDF get to set policy for Iran's armed forces. You can dream about a fancy airforce that can defeat F-22s and F-35s all you want but that was never an option. if Anyone in Iran was dumb enough to think that they didn't need the IRGC's missile force because the air force could handle it, we would have already lost this war!

Lots of mental gymnastics again. Nobody said we didn't need missiles. That's a cheap strawberry argument and an attempt at deflection.

We spent at least 50 f*cking billion dollars in Syria, and possibly another tens of billions on our proxy militias in the last 3 decades. Do you know how many jet fighters we could've purchased and maintained for that money? There were people who insisted that investing in the IRIAF was a mistake because it would lose anyway! And you're repeating their nonsense here again but you ask who said that?

There were people like @Mr Iran Eye, who you think of very highly, that tried to spin the cowardly hiding of the IRIAF during the 12-day war as some sort of genius tactic and insisted that the IRIAF was fine and will make us all ashamed when the real war breaks out.

 

[Kyussis]

Come on dude it's a success. Materials are replaceable a fighter pilot/person is not this is a win.

How is it a success to get an F-15 shot down and then have to mount a CSAR mission for 48 hours that resulted in the loss of 1 x A-10,1 x Mq-9, 1 x C-130 = 2 x UH-60s damaged and multiple personnel injured over a country that has no Air force and No Air defences according to your Commander in Chief?

 

[ResurgentIran2]

If you are going to determine the war by how many enemy soldiers the Iranian side kills then you will not have a favorable view.

Israel and U.S. will always be having a higher kill ratio against Iran. Those are the facts.

This type of operation was good experience for Iran and also to prevent Iran from getting to cocky as the last few weeks have been mostly Iranian momentum. These Iranian officials needed to be humbled a bit.

Iran needs to see its flaws and work to mitigate them the best it can during this war. Better to find out the problems during this operation then finding out on the islands of Kharg or at Isfahan nuclear complex.

The 12 day war taught Iran how to hide and use its missile bases better which directly translated to better performance this war as acknowledge by US media and U.S. intelligence services.

Exactly. People will say this is "cope", but in the grand scheme of things this was a tactical success for the US. It wont translate into changing the strategic map, as it currently is.

Im not going to say it didnt hurt. Catching that pilot would have been a good morale boost, and added to the pressures surrounding Trump.
Instead the opposite happened.

It will indeed spawn a lot of movies in the future, but movies dont win wars at the end of the day.

 

[SolarWarden]

This is was a real expensive operations

and worth every penny...... of which they have stop making.