Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

Come join us in the US version of this thread. Raptor will be all too happy to tell you otherwise and exactly how the US is going to do it.

Raptor would also tell me how they are going to capture Mojtaba as well and take him to NYC.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

You mean this:

"He's not a war hero. He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured," Trump said in July 2015 regarding John McCain.

Or maybe this:

Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic.

www.theatlantic.com

Or this:

Trump Has Mocked the U.S. Military His Whole Life

Egged on by his father, the U.S. president began expressing contempt for Americans who fight in wars as far back as high school, his classmates…

foreignpolicy.com

Times change my friend. And in the case of McCain; he and McCain never had any kind of a working relationship.

FWIW, McCain wasn't all that he was cracked up to be. The family name is what saved him many times during his career in the Navy. But when Daddy and Granddaddy weren't going to go to bat for him for a star, the Navy eased him out.

 

[SolarWarden]

If I’m Trump the Uranium operation is probably off the table after seeing how complex a pilot rescue operation can be. He would be tempting fate trying to avoid losses by staging another inside Iran land operation.

He didn’t even go to Mar Largo this weekend so he can sit in the situation room and make sure Iran didn’t get a pilot to parade on TV and humiliate him after he said Iran was 100% totally destroyed.

But knowing Trump, he will escalate in other ways. If he is set on a land operation the islands (Kharg or Qeshm) and costal defense seems to be a much more attractive option from a avoiding pilots getting caught deep behind enemy lines point of a view.

I think he could go for Kharg since it’s right near Kuwait air bases he used to stage this operation and it’s an island he has had a fascination with since the 1980s. He probably doesn’t even know what Qeshm island is or where.

Complex as hell since they would have to fly in excavators to dig out all the rubble they created by bombing those complex. It's likely a no go.

 

[ustaad]

Pakistan and Bangladesh would still be a part of Mughal (Iranian) Empire in India had it not been for the British.

Mughal Emperor had been reduced to mayor of Delhi when Brits got a foot here

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Complex as hell since they would have to fly in excavators to dig out all the rubble they created by bombing those complex. It's likely a no go.

According to Raptor, they will first send in a battalion to establish a perimeter then bring in equipment to build housing and start excavating for the HEU.

 

[Salza]

Guys, I have commented earlier as well that if no deal is made US will keep violating Iranian air space and it is more likely that more US jets will be shot down so downed pilot incident may happen again 'any time'. Iran had a terrific day, two days back when they shot down 3-4 US flying objects but US compensated with a daring resuce operation for its pilots. So next time, US may not.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Well if 2 jets fall in deserted area in middle of no where ....
Neither is anything daring or heroic , Iran coast line is 3,000 KM
If planes go down in 2km zone it's literally a tiny spot with no value

Iran has no interest to chase broken plane parts or chase 1 or 2 pilots


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This is "Tropic Thunder" encore! The director is about to put his foot on the mine and the producer is raking it in!

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[Immortals]

What do you consider to be deep inside Iran? At approximately 124 miles inside the country, that would be deep enough to most people.

Considering there is no “front line” in this war, 124 miles inward in Zargos mountain ranges is not considered deep inside anymore than 250 miles inside New Mexico would be considered deep inside the United States.

We already knew that the border regions were hard to defend due to the numerous mountain terrain. It’s a double edge sword, those same mountain ranges that protect Iran from invaders also hurt Iran in similar ways for its own forces and defense. This has been alluded too before.

I still tip my cap to U.S. spec ops, as I said earlier they are the best in the world at raids. One of the areas that the U.S. military excels at unmatched.

But the chances Iran would get the pilot after the first 4-6 hours dropped dramatically given the remote location and needing to bring in forces from other surrounding areas. In these types of scenarios, Iran needs to be on the scene in just a few hours before spec ops can get a plan and fly out, while US chain of command is still processing.

 

[ResurgentIran2]

@Persian Gulf is right. Where the hell is Artesh and the AirForce?

Like WHY did Iran spend billions over the decades to modernize the air fleet, to build new rockets, etc. There is 0 benefit in hiding the Air Force nonstop. Like seriously let them cause some headaches at least, even if they lose 2-5 airframes per week. Every single Airforce news we read in the last 2 decades was worthless if you can not utilize it now.

Same with the Navy. Ship here, ship there, we are so awesome. MOST SHIPS WERE LOST IN PORTS!!! I simply dont get it. If you don't have the guts to fight a war, don't spend our money in worhtless projects.

Listen my friend. And to every other member that are still talking about artesh this, airforce that.
Stop analyzing this conflict based on parameters of conventional warfare.
The fact of the matter is, Iran can not in a million years win a conventional war against the US. No country in the world can. It cant even win a single tactical battle in this war.

Had Iran wasted billions on airforce and going toe to toe with the US airforce, that airforce would have been gone within a day or two. Its just that simple.
Iran is not fighting on US terms. It is fighting an assymetrical battle. A long war of attrition to bleed the enemy economically and politically. It is doing so masterfully by ballistic missiles and drones. Future historians and military analysts will look back at this war for what it was. A masterclass in strategic brilliance by the Iranian state.
Off course, it will come at a huge cost. But the future will be secured, once this war is over. Mark my words.

Iran will win this war, but not based on the metrics you intuitivily think.

 

[ustaad]

She wants to deport Trita Parsi now. This weirdo is running the whole Trump administration and deciding who should be kicked u.


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[Watandar]

Iranians are lacking in mobility, night vision, surveillance and rapid response. That's what made the difference here.

But this incident can also serve as a valuable learning lesson because it is a good preview of upcoming ground Ops planned by Trump. The US is going to seize places inside Iran and then setup a perimeter around it where any Iranian present is going to be mercilessly killed. The US is then going to demand Iran capitulate (let's not believe the negotiations nonsense). So now Iranian planners need to figure out how to counter it.

These upcoming US ground ops are also going to be quite difficult and costly, so how can they be disrupted ? Another point to ponder. It's going to be a real physical and mental battle.

 

[hasn2009]

According to Raptor, they will first send in a battalion to establish a perimeter then bring in equipment to build housing and start excavating for the HEU.

Better way would be to bomb some of the local villages to freedom so the local people after seeing their family sacrificing their lives for freedom, agrees to help US in retrieving the uranium.

 

[Olympus81]

According to Raptor, they will first send in a battalion to establish a perimeter then bring in equipment to build housing and start excavating for the HEU.

Not sure if this is a sarcastic comment. But correct me here, are the Iranians dumb to store all the HEU in one place?

 

[SolarWarden]

According to Raptor, they will first send in a battalion to establish a perimeter then bring in equipment to build housing and start excavating for the HEU.

yeah........ that's asking a lot.

 

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