Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Hayabusa]

You are comparing Afghanistan with Iran?

Really?

Let’s not bring your troubles with Afghanistan into this.

If you want to discuss it - we can do it on a separate thread. It’s all self inflicted.

I think it's relevant enough to discuss on this thread. And no. I am not comparing both directly, but a refugee crisis situation that could envelope if Iran collapses.

Any support for US is going to turn not just Iran against them, but the Shia population too. It's just logics here and Pakistan is going to plunge badly. Which is why they are now at the forefront for negotiations here. Iran also acts as a buffer for Pakistan against Israel as well and it is mutually beneficial.

Trust me, nobody enjoys Iran kicking Israelis and USA ass more than Pakistanis themselves (anectodally). Iran has made all of us proud here for holding on against these two and should continue to do so.

 

[hasssanali8998]

In what way is Iran’s position “maximalist”

It’s been severely watered down by the “reformists”.

While those conditions may seem fine to you US will not like them and vice versa , that is where an intermediary comes in brings everyone closer and on the same page or close enough

 

[ShapurII]

You do understand that any agreement has nothing to do with Trust on Pakistan, but rather direct trust between Iran/US ? Pakistan is passing messages between US and Iran, they are not controlling US & israel.

Many of us agree that US/israel cannot be trusted .. many of us also understand that despite Pakistan's efforts, the negotiations might not work at all ... but there is nothing involved here that justifies badmouthing Pakistan at all.

Iranian Govt and Military knows things better than you, they are okay with Pakistan and your personal political opinions should be kept personal.

I believe the two-step framework has been proposed by Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and another Muslim country that I can't remember.

The simple fact that a belligerent state (KSA) was involved in drafting it is reason enough for Iran to say no to it, but that's probably emotional. So, ignore it.

Nevertheless, it is against Iran's interests. No brownie points for Pakistan to offer such a one-sided ceasefire to Iran.

 

[Ali_Baba]

@Persian Gulf bro!

This will get me banned.

Advice for Iran.

Do not trust the Pak military and their politicians.

They are heavily compromised.

They are the Trojan horse in this so called “peace negotiations”.

Any agreement that includes a ceasefire must be dead on arrival.

Keep fighting on even if the intensity is low.

Keep the SoH shut for NATO (except Spain) and Zio allied countries.

Learn from your previous negotiation mistakes.

You cannot negotiate with psychopaths.

They must be defeated.

Whatever you are smoking right now, please stop. It is rotting your brain unfortunately.

 

[Blain2]

In what way is Iran’s position “maximalist”

It’s been severely watered down by the “reformists”.

It is maximalist from the point of not being acceptable to the other parties in this conflict. The same as American points are maximalist for the Iranians.

This is why brokers are important. To bridge the trust-deficit and try to move the dialogue on peace forward. Otherwise what are the two sides to do with the two lists of demands being circulated? Clearly they are not acceptable to either side otherwise this war would have stopped when the lists came out.

 

[ustaad]

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You mean MbZ needs a DNA check?

 

[Immortals]

Translation: Iran said no

 

[ShapurII]

You mean MbZ needs a DNA check?

He needs a long list of checks, I think.
Sanity check, reality check, DNA check, etc.

 

[Musings]

Any ceasefire will need a guarantor. Happy if Pakistan plays this role. If Israel breaches it we will have an excuse then....

Lovely post and exactly my sentiments. Id like to see them try……..inshallah as Trump would say

 

[Hayabusa]

If there is one investment that Iran did which is worth doing ( by sacrifing investment into its airforce,) it is surely Hezbollah.

They have been so underrated and have exceeded my expectations. They came out on the front foot hitting sixes right from the get go of the death of Khamenei.

When this war is over, Iran should continue supplying them when possible as they have proved to pay dividends and engage Israel in a two front war.

 

[Blain2]

Bro!

In what planet did you decipher I had anything to do with the bloody useful idiots aka Talibans.

You lot are so paranoid!

It’s hilarious!!!

Do whatever you want with Afghanistan - I don’t care.

I am only here to support Iran.

Because they have passed the test to lead the Muslim ummah.

Then don't post things like "all self-inflicted" and feign ignorance.

What does Pakistan brokering talks have to do with your support for Iran?

You started off your post by claiming Pakistan was going to backstab Iran. What amazing revelation have you received from the Almighty to convey this to us?

What has Pakistan done to Iran for you to run yet another propaganda against Pakistan?

You clearly have no facts...it's your bias against Pakistan which is clouding your judgement. I couldn't care less if you had this bias and kept it to yourself which is your prerogative, but by sharing here, your nonsense will be challenged.

 

[Aggregate]

I believe the two-step framework has been proposed by Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and another Muslim country that I can't remember.

The simple fact that a belligerent state (KSA) was involved in drafting it is reason enough for Iran to say no to it, but that's probably emotional. So, ignore it.

Nevertheless, it is against Iran's interests. No brownie points for Pakistan to offer such a one-sided ceasefire to Iran.

We are not asking for any Brownie points. There is no ban on presenting proposals .. and Its Iranian Govt's decision to accept it or reject it. That's all there is to it, to this pointless argument.

 

[Musings]

@Jugantor
Why you got 2 accounts? Dont try to be clever - it doesnt suit you - 1 more post from this account and i will ban your main account.

 

[ShapurII]

Then don't post things like "all self-inflicted" and feign ignorance.

What does Pakistan brokering talks have to do with your support for Iran?

You started off your rant by claiming Pakistan was going to back-stab Iran. What amazing revelation did you receive from the Almighty to convey this to us?

What has Pakistan done to Iran for you to run yet another propaganda against Pakistan?

You clearly have no facts...it's your bias against Pakistan which is clouding your judgement. I couldn't care less if you had this bias but kept it to yourself which is your prerogative, but by sharing here, your nonsense will be challenged.

The people of Pakistan, both Sunni and Shiite, are widely pro-Iran in this war and I don't doubt their sincerity in this. I don't think the same is true about the Pakistani system though. The situation is very complicated.

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

Now comes out the real angle. "Afghan champion" to rescue the Afghan cause.

You and the likes are known to most of us here. Keep up with your anti-Pakistani propaganda under the garb of your selective "ummah".

Where is your ummah when 3K Pakistanis are murdered by those Taliban bastards?

I don't see a single post of yours lamenting the loss of Pakistani Muslims but of course, there is the "ummah" when it suits your narrow purposes.

If there is ONE country in the Muslim world that has done as much as it possibly could for the Ummah with words and actions, it is Pakistan. So please don't lecture us about "ummah" this or that.

Iran can walk away, just the same as the US if they don't want Pakistan brokering. They haven't. Perhaps that tells you something that you don't know.

You do understand that any agreement has nothing to do with Trust on Pakistan, but rather direct trust between Iran/US ? Pakistan is passing messages between US and Iran, they are not controlling US & israel.

Many of us agree that US/israel cannot be trusted .. many of us also understand that despite Pakistan's efforts, the negotiations might not work at all ... but there is nothing involved here that justifies badmouthing Pakistan at all.

Iranian Govt and Military knows things better than you. And they are okay with Pakistan. There is no need for your 'certain' political opinion, that is pretty well known to everyone in Pakistan.

GOLD STAR .....ABSOLUTELY WELL PUT....