Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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[IceCold]

What constitutes 'sizeable' when we grounded the Iranian Air Force?

Lol! Iran never had an air force to begin with, so what did the US grounded? In fact the only thing Trump constantly babbled about was how US destroyed Iran's missile and drone capacity only to find out that the Iranian strikes have significantly increased.

 

[dr.coomer]

No, they are at the mercy of the USA. The KSA has some capacity for it but that requires asking Pakistan to ship a few nukes.

Nothing deters the White conservarive man more than the prospects of a bonebreaking fist to the jaw.

Look buddy, hate to break it to you nukes from Pakistan won't help with anything, their Air force is terrible (I know from working with them in the industry). If they were smart they would've given all those bases to PAF instead of outsourcing their defense to US and other countries. Instead they wasted billions of dollars on projects that have no practical value (the line, indoor ski resort, etc.). Not to mention the investments they've done in India. At some point they need to take responsibility for their actions and you need to stop making excuses for them

 

[delta2]

Look buddy, hate to break it to you nukes from Pakistan won't help with anything, their Air force is terrible (I know from working with them in the industry). If they were smart they would've given all those bases to PAF instead of outsourcing their defense to US and other countries. Instead they wasted billions of dollars on projects that have no practical value (the line, indoor ski resort, etc.). Not to mention the investments they've done in India. At some point they need to take responsibility for their actions and you need to stop making excuses for them

A nuke is a nuke. A few modern nukes can eliminate a country from the map. Millions will die once one of these nukes explodes and 10s and 100s of millions will die from radiation poisoning, thirst and hunger. And not a single air force jet will be used to launc any of those history changing nuclear armed missiles.

If you don't believe me, set your sofa on fire and try to put it out.

 

[lightning f57]

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Yahu wont care with Iran controlling SOH as he will push for a pipeline going through Israel from the gulfies to bypass it.

Can't see the gulfies going via Israel to med.

 

[Lulldapull]

Lol! Iran never had an air force to begin with, so what did the US grounded? In fact the only thing Trump constantly babbled about was how US destroyed Iran's missile and drone capacity only to find out that the Iranian strikes have significantly increased.

Irans winning this!

 

[delta2]

Look buddy, hate to break it to you nukes from Pakistan won't help with anything, their Air force is terrible (I know from working with them in the industry). If they were smart they would've given all those bases to PAF instead of outsourcing their defense to US and other countries. Instead they wasted billions of dollars on projects that have no practical value (the line, indoor ski resort, etc.). Not to mention the investments they've done in India. At some point they need to take responsibility for their actions and you need to stop making excuses for them

Pakistani armed forces did have a presence in the KSA in the 1980s. For some odd reason they were asked to leave on behest of someone.

 

[delta2]

Look buddy, hate to break it to you nukes from Pakistan won't help with anything, their Air force is terrible (I know from working with them in the industry). If they were smart they would've given all those bases to PAF instead of outsourcing their defense to US and other countries. Instead they wasted billions of dollars on projects that have no practical value (the line, indoor ski resort, etc.). Not to mention the investments they've done in India. At some point they need to take responsibility for their actions and you need to stop making excuses for them

As long as the Iranian Mullahs are acting crazy, nothing is off the table for them. They have to see a mushroom cloud for reality to hit them.

 

[lamdacore]

Sorry, but I have more faith in our SIGINT than your 'study'.

It does not mean I know more than you do on what Iran has, for all we know, YOU maybe correct. But what I mean is that signals do not lie. Cannot lie. You can be assured %100 that prior to the war, we know %99 of what Iran transmit. A 'targeting' radar do not transmit outside of the X band, for example. That is real physics, not 'Chinese physics'. You can certainly assign a meter length freq to 'target' if you want, but that would be akin to US assign the B-52 to be an air defense interceptor. Absurd, ain't it? Always, physics have the final say, no matter what the PDF Chinese assert.

SIGINT allowed US to prevail over Iran.

US has not yet prevailed over Iran. Time will tell if it does.

SIGINT is only as good as till you can detect such things that emit signals but not necessarily passive sensors. The 20th century US power believe that every country is going to fight wars the way they do. That is not the case and that is rapidly changing.

You are making the assumptions that all countries will rely on radars to detect and lock in on targets. You do not account for decoys, counter-intelligence, and passive detection methods which are definitely gaining ground and ever more precise. Iran engaged in direct jammping of GPS funnily showing many ships on land. The shootdown of US aircraft was a result of counter-SIGINT from Iran.

You relying much on your own experience, which while valuable, is nearing obsolescence. Not saying that US can keep pace but current trajectory shows it probably will struggle thanks to excessive profiteering and acquisition of defence articles which is going to be increasingly unsustainable is the petro dollar takes a hit.

During your relic years the US indeed had absolute dominance but now we see pics of US military assets nakedly exposed via Beidou and Russian assets. This directly translates into 5th Gen assets being hit....a fact that can not be denied no matter the reasons the US provides. Fact that Iran shot down US aircraft and busted the myth of invincibility. Fact that Iran keeps the USN at length effectively making a spectator rather than an active participant (unless you only tomahawks).

The thing is that we are all witnessing a nation, full of hubris, that is going to fall and all can see it except the US itself. That is fine by everyone....its time the US fell.

So let the US do its worse to Iran and see if it come out victorious....I place a big fat doubt on it.

Anyway, I respect old men sharing their past glories...those were well earned but they do not become the benchmark of what is to come.

 

[dr.coomer]

A nuke is a nuke. A few modern nukes can eliminate a country from the map. Millions will die once one of these nukes explodes and 10s and 100s of millions will die from radiation poisoning, thirst and hunger. And not a single air force jet will be used to launc any of those history changing nuclear armed missiles.

If you don't believe me, set your sofa on fire and try to put it out.

Just an FYI tactical nuclear weapons aren't like those in movies or video games. The radiation dissipates very quickly. Maybe if you directly target population centers, but then the issue still exists who are you going to fire the nuke at?

 

[EugeneP]

This is The Times (U.K.) reporting:

Iran’s supreme leader ‘unconscious and receiving treatment in Qom’​

Iran’s supreme leader ‘unconscious and receiving treatment in Qom’

A diplomatic memo reveals the location of Mojtaba Khamenei. He was wounded in the same US-Israeli airstrike that killed his father

www.thetimes.com

Is there any evidence of his audio/video/picture in the last month?

 

[ShapurII]

Iraq is a big mistake on that list.

 

[Zarvan]

One month and ten days of this war between the USA and Israel on one side and Iran on the other side has once again proved a few points that the will to survive and no fear of death will eventually triumph over the will to occupy and make people slaves or make them surrender to your will. On the other hand, this conflict also makes it clear that if you lack technology, power, and military might, you may eventually win against a bigger, stronger, and vastly more powerful enemy. Still, the destruction in your own country after the end of the war will be catastrophic, and it will take decades and a huge sum of money to recover from that. In other words, you need both; you need progress, but that doesn't mean you lose the will and appetite to fight and, if needed, die for your own country. So, the will to fight and obliterate your enemy, plus investing in education, technology, and military might, have to go along. You ignore one you pay a very heavy price.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

U.S. Central Command:

CLAIM: Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps claim they attacked and struck the amphibious assault ship USS Tripoli (LHA 7) with missiles, forcing it to withdraw from the region to the southern Indian Ocean.

FACT: USS Tripoli has not been attacked and continues to sail in the Arabian Sea in support of Operation Epic Fury. The America-class amphibious assault ship serves as the flagship for the Tripoli Amphibious Ready Group / 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit composed of about 3,500 Sailors and Marines in addition to transport and strike fighter aircraft, as well as amphibious assault and tactical assets.

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[Abdul q]

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This is next level sabotage if true whoever is responsible