Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SilentWatch]

Pakistani nukes are for self preservation and specific to Indian threat.
we dont owe any other country our nuclear capability. nukes are for our survival.

While I deeply agree with you bro as as a kid of the 90s... I think the Nuke shield we have for our survival in the Post-AI era... can be monetized in expending to KSA and Turkey.

how would Isreal/US calc change if we Pak army expeditionary corps 1st battalion takes guard in KSA? -> today its 200K men + Rocket Force -> tomorrow could be stragetic corps

Israel and US are now Parranoid IMHO in Iran getting a nuke for its survival vs Israel and US.

Neither Side has overwhelmingly won... war is politics by other means

Both sides will need to compromise on their start of war 10-15 points whatever it was...

Claude command -> /pdf-send-to-Establishment-newsletter

A muslim NATO /collective-defense sadly the only path to common defence against war damage. I say sadly cuz its a pipe dream

 

[ShapurII]

You do know that you opinion is just a opinion like mine? nothing is certain, nor you have some God given insight of the future, that 45 days of ceasefire could've hold, but no one is asking Iran to totally let their guard down, if US wants to invade or put ground troops they can do it with or without 45 days of Ceasefire, they just show you that when they rescue their pilot from the middle of Iran.

No, it's not. My opinion is not just an opinion like yours. It is based on facts, even though it is not certain. Yours is just wishful thinking based on irrational optimism and your patriotism towards Pakistan, not based on the reality on the ground.

So, no, our opinions are not even remotely of the same nature.

 

[F.O.X]

maybe Pakistan can promise a nuke to Iran after the war ends just below the table and let China now

No thank you.

 

[hasssanali8998]

shining

better anology would be start mating those nukes

 

[Shags101]

It could be but I saw seen small group of "Christian" Protestors near USF with extreme offensive banners, very provocative towards Islam/Muslims. It was after a incident when some Muslim students were harassed by "Christians" at university campus, I have heard concerning talks about areas past Spring hill even from people who are born and raised in Florida.

I don’t disagree there are idiots but since vast majority of them are people in their 60s and above or extremely obese I think your fine

 

[r3alist]

Now the users here who disagreed with me on my comment about the difference between the Pakistani system and the Pakistani people can see I was not wrong.

Saudi Arabia is a belligerent in this war. They are constantly pushing Trump to finish Iran, and you can see whose side Shahbaz Sharif is on.

The mediation attempts are there to help Iran, Pakistan has India, 1.5 billion of Indians next door and this can never be lost sight of.

 

[SecularNationalist]

3rd world slum mentality

Lean from Nato what “Collective security “ means.

Exactly.
If Saudi Arabia demands from Pakistan to attack Iran our response should be exactly like what NATO told US.
That pact is a defensive pact not offensive pact. Presence of US bases in Saudi Arabia amounts to offence and aggression.

 

[Starlord]

I don’t disagree there are idiots but since vast majority of them are people in their 60s and above or extremely obese I think your fine

Oh i am fine for sure, the only person in my 6 years of been in US who told me to go back to my country was a PR (Latino) guy who call himself a far left lol

lets get back to Iran/US war topic.

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

3rd world slum mentality

Lean from Nato what “Collective security “ means.

Yeah we see the collective mentality.... Oct 7 2024 and continuing....
You can keep your nato style up your first world ...
Entire NATO is useless against Epstein coalition.....
We have Epsteins of Arabia as well.

 

[mythbuster]

Sir, he raises a valid point, the current theocracy will be seen as expending iran's treasure and people, Israel have predicted Iran will become a new ally and I expect Israel and Iran to form a new security architecture for the region with the secularists and anti theocracy Iranians to embrace this fully.

That's just merely to raise a potential outcome and direction for this.

I asked what does he want? China and Russia shall declare war on US.,. you are talking something else bro .

 

[Aggregate]

Telling Iran to give Trump what he wants to pause the inevitable for 45 days is betrayal, IMHO.

3 possibilities:

1. Trump is bluffing, in which case, yes, betrayal in form of a deal would be bad
2. Trump is not bluffing, but Iran has some plan to push back or cause collateral damage in such a way that US has to retreat. Fine, no need for a betrayal either.
3. Trump is not bluffing and Iran has no workable plan to deal with the consequences.

In first 2 cases, yes, maybe we can talk about betrayals and other moral responsibilities.

In the 3rd case however, I would hope someone like Pakistan can convince Iran to back out in a way that keeps Iran's survival for a better future to come, maybe once US empire completes its natural time.

I'm not saying which ones of these outcomes will happen. I'm just saying that Just, just in case of the 3rd outcome, a deal in works might be better than nothing.

Remember Gaza, morality and principles, etc, unfortunately, unfortunately, do not always matter if there is no way out of a bad situation. Its always better to have some remote way out, even if it feels like a defeat.

 

[F.O.X]

Not at all. Start shining those nukes and the enemy are cowards - that will be more than enough for them
To back down

and will put drippling sanction on Pakistan, remember last time Pakistan tried to help them they sold us out. so no thanks. we are not taking another one for the team. Iran is a big boy it can handle itself.

 

[maverick]

I don't think so, if you get 45 days you can use it for your own benefit as well, as @Persian Gulf said you can use that time to reopen underground missile bases, disperse your launchers and even develop more drones. 45 days can make difference in Iran's case, and who say that the 45 days ceasefire will not hold? you are assuming and i understand your skepticism due to backstab by Israel. But remember this time the war has not impacted just Israel and Iran, its raging in whole Region. Plus that 45 days cease-fire is not just about Iran opening SOH without proper guarantees. Like i said, Israel has achieved its goals already, they have destroyed Iran's capability enough that Iran poses no threat to them for at least 10-20 years, you need that time completely peaceful and sanction free to rebuild everything.
Rest if your country can think they are ok with infrastructure being bombed then nothing anyone else can do, in return most you can do is hit GCC and some Israeli targets but that's it.

Time needed to get all the troops and armada for a D day kind of invasion.

 

[Immortals]

5th ballistics wave of the day from iran to Israel was 20 mins ago

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[r3alist]

I asked what does he want? China and Russia shall declare war on US.,. you are talking something else bro .

Fair point bro, the Chinese are consistent in their world view.

The russians are ....long topic