Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SolarWarden]

I've tried to avoid any sectarian topic with @MastanKhan . He's either a Wahhabi or a Muslim Zionist (same differences to me).
I remembered his posts from years ago where he seemed really upset that Pakistan establishment did not send her armies to wage war against the Yemenis on behalf of the Arabs monarchies.
His reasoning were really strange - he thinks it was Obama's gift to give Pakistan the net security provider of the Persian Gulf AOR in returned for the Bin Laden raid. Why would the Americans give up such a strategic area to a non-Western country?
Its now painfully and obviously clear the US is run by the Zionists whereas before their hands were hidden. If I had to guess, these Zionist scums likely wanted Pakistan to bog down in Yemen and hopefully ignite a wider Shia-Sunni war in the region and come to blows with Iran. Pakistan wisely decided to back out of such a trap.
Another wild take of his is blaming Iran for what occurred on October 7th. From all accounts the Iranians were blinded-sided and so was Hezbollah. Hamas was never an "Iranian Proxy." It always fought for the Palestinian cause. I'm shocked that a "Muslim" would disparage them this way.
Clearly he needs to re-study proper history. Just look at the absolute horrors the Zionist scums distribute on Lebanon in 1982. There was no Hezbollah or Hamas back then. Iran was busy fighting off the Iraqi Yezidi army under that Atheist scum Saddam. There's seem to be a sizeable numbers of people like him in our community and its shocking to see them use the Zionist talking points.

Ever hear of PLO? They were in southern Lebanon.

 

[Kyussis]

Give the Americans huge huge credit. They pulled off a miracle out of their asses.

US was running out of stand off munitions and time. They could not disengage without admitting defeat. Everything was in Irans court.

Now they can just disengage without admitting defeat zero humiliation and cut off Irans oil to boot and wait.

Time is no longer on Irans side.

Iran managed to grab defeat right out of the jaws of victory….

When fighting Iraq, Irans governent wanted endless war. 29 year olds were dying and they were personally profiting.

Now that war means a few senior leaders have to actually put their neck on the line,and they all turn mother theresa.

Sacrificing hard earned military gains for their own neck.

If Iran is not willing to accept the pain and finish this war properly once and for all, it might as well surrender today.

Are you in Iran?

 

[Immortals]

I was curious but for a pipeline to totally bypass the straits would cost upwards of 300 billion dollars for all regional countries so would the cost of building something that massive be even worth it maybe for Saudis own oil at a smaller scale but all of these countries I don’t think so

UAE already has one. Saudi Arabia already has one that can do 5-7MBPD. It’s a matter of building more pipelines that can increase the throughput and connecting other pipelines to it.

Arabs won’t sit idly by and let Iran collect a toll. People forget these Sunni PG Arabs hate Iran and always have. They bankrolled Saddam Hussein for a reason.

So Iran shouldn’t be so short sighted thinking any toll can provide it assurance for decades like a quasi nuclear threshold program can do.

Perhaps why they are not willing to suspend enrichment for more than a few years.

US wants 20. Iran has offered 5. And might even willing to accept 10. Anything more than 5 years and it’s unlikely that program will ever turn on again. In another 10 years they will pressure Iran to extend it another 10 years. Like we saw with the sunset clauses of JCPOA.

Unless Iran thinks in 10 years the American empire is gonna crumble or something.

 

[Kyussis]

Yay! US vs Iran Islamabad talks part 2 Electric Boogaloo is on?

Aren't you someone who was going on about how the U.S would win the war in 24 hours with its wonder weapons? LOL!!!

 

[Immortals]

 

[Shags101]

UAE already has one. Saudi Arabia already has one that can do 5-7MBPD. It’s a matter of building more pipelines that can increase the throughput and connecting other pipelines to it.

Arabs won’t sit idly by and let Iran collect a toll. People forget these Sunni PG Arabs hate Iran and always have. They bankrolled Saddam Hussein for a reason.

So Iran shouldn’t be so short sighted thinking any toll can provide it assurance for decades like a quasi nuclear threshold program can do.



US wants 20. Iran has offered 5. And might even willing to accept 10. Anything more than 5 years and it’s unlikely that program will ever turn on again. In another 10 years they will pressure Iran to extend it another 10 years. Like we saw with the sunset clauses of JCPOA.

Unless Iran thinks in 10 years the American empire is gonna crumble or something.

Not saying there isn’t but for all of these countries to contribute upwards 300 billion if not more versus a peace they had with the Iranians prior to all of this probably wouldn’t be worth it

 

[The SC]

 

[Arash]

Israel hayom must be a very serious source indeed.........

 

[bengalcdn]

@Persian Gulf @Musings can we please not have Israeli propaganda here

 

[Arash]

Trump threatens Iranian attack boats in Hormuz as Netanyahu backs blockade

PM Netanyahu said on Monday that the key issue in U.S.-Iran talks is the removal of enriched uranium from Iran, adding that VP Vance promised Tehran would not have the ability to enrich uranium for the coming decades. Netanyahu also said that Israel supports the U.S. naval blockade of the Strait of Hormuz announced by Trump, adding that Israel and the U.S. are fully coordinating.

After the blockade began on Monday, Trump warned that any Iranian "fast-attack" vessels approaching the strait would be "immediately eliminated." Trump is also considering "limited military strikes," the Wall Street Journal reported Sunday, citing officials and people familiar with the matter. Trump reportedly hopes such strikes will produce a breakthrough in cease-fire talks after the first round ended in a stalemate. Speaking at the White House later Monday, the president also said Iran wants to make a deal but that he will not agree to any arrangement that allows Tehran to have a nuclear weapon.

Iran's Armed Forces responded to U.S. blockade threats by vowing to implement a "permanent mechanism" to control the strait, signaling a long-term effort to assert authority over the strategic chokepoint. Iran's Defense Ministry also said Trump "will fail" in any attempt at military intervention in Hormuz. At the same time, Iranian FM Aragchi said in an X post that negotiators were "inches away" from a memorandum of understanding with the U.S., but that the Americans presented "maximalism, shifting goalposts, and blockade."

Most Israelis, meanwhile, oppose the current cease-fire with Iran and expect renewed fighting within the coming year, according to a survey by the Institute for National Security Studies. The vast majority – 76 percent – said that negotiations with the Islamic Republic will not achieve the war's objectives of dismantling Iran's nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles programs, alongside regime change.

The results of the war are mixed at best, and Israel isn't close to achieving the goals Netanyahu announced when it began on February 28. But talking points are being distributed energetically, and the foreign press is getting briefings from Jerusalem asserting that the war is likely to resume at any moment, writes Amos Harel.


Source: Haaretz

Israelis live in a parallel world

 

[Arash]

U.s. are Israel's harlot.

 

[The SC]

 

[bengalcdn]

We’ve gifted China a once in a lifetime opportunity to end the Bretton Woods world order, completely renegotiate strategic and economic alliances. Even control over two of the most critical chokepoints. They’d be foolish to pass, but I still can’t see China risking physical confrontation with the US. We’ve even done most of the work on that front too. But I still can’t see it.

Let’s not say that; China unexpectedly jumped in to the Korean War. You never know when they will join in. I have a feeling something big will happen.

 

[The SC]

 

[Navid09]

We’ve gifted China a once in a lifetime opportunity to end the Bretton Woods world order, completely renegotiate strategic and economic alliances. Even control over two of the most critical chokepoints. They’d be foolish to pass, but I still can’t see China risking physical confrontation with the US. We’ve even done most of the work on that front too. But I still can’t see it.

They don't need physical confrontation, they can simply start shipping more and more arms to Iran, more intelligence support, build massive presence near Taiwan, straining U.S.

I'm sure there is also other things they can do as well to further put pressure on U.S.

I think maybe they could even send their own tankers to collect the oil escorted by ships. Of course I don't think they will get aggressive (takes a while to escalate), but just as a show of force.