Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[tsunset]

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[Mujhe-Kyun-Tora]

Israel was struggling to eliminate Hamas from Gaza, even when they were hiding in tunnels. Iran is 4516X bigger.


You think planners don't think of all these including continuity of business during a war?


Hypothetical. China hasn't stopped supplies.


Surprisingly major missile bases tunnels are being digged out signifying that it is operational.




Yet they still have planes to escort ASIM Munir during his visit here. Brain fatal indeed.

Conclusion: Iran's military has been degraded. It has taken hits. But it is not down, and far from collapse.

Do you want iran to turn into Gaza?
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are you telling me that they have steel mill , explosive manufacturing plant , rare earth materials , electronics manufacturing plants in the tunnels ? huh
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So they could provide Security to Asim Munir but cant defend iran or even tehran . we both knows that this was all for show . There is a reason why PAF deployed 20+ planes along with AWACs around iran.
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As i said before the best iran could do is bomb oil field in gulf and israel. Thats all .
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if the war intensify & civilian infrastructure start getting hit there would be a shortage of supplies , plus a famine in iran .
atleast do have some realistic approach this war will finish either with Deal or by the destruction of iran .

 

[Mujhe-Kyun-Tora]

Aiming for civilian is militarily and strategically short sighted and I don't understand why Iran wastes missiles like that, when Israel has gone after Iran's "industrial heartlands" so heavily.

Iran needs to rethink its strategy, and impose a long lasting impact on the country on expensive things that hurt them long term.

Right now, Israel is not deterred because it does not care about civilian hits, and Iran has not been able to impose a significant cost on Israel.

Exactly . No high profile target got eliminated by iran while israel kill almost all of iranian leadership .
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Bombing civilians wont enforce them to stop war .

 

[Hayabusa]

Do you want iran to turn into Gaza?
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Nobody claims that. My only problem is you claiming their military has collapsed. Do you think they can even remotely think of turning Iran into Gaza from just bombing?

are you telling me that they have steel mill , explosive manufacturing plant , rare earth materials , electronics manufacturing plants in the tunnels ? huh
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Nobody claims that. But do you really think they don't have options or backups? They have prepared this for decades, you don't think they won't plan how to acquire supplies?

So they could provide Security to Asim Munir but cant defend iran or even tehran . we both knows that this was all for show . There is a reason why PAF deployed 20+ planes along with AWACs around iran.
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You claim their airforce was gone. I counter claimed that it is still present. Iran has based their tactics to use them sparingly which if you actually bothered to read up, you would understand why. Whether they are right or wrong, is another discussion altogether.

As i said before the best iran could do is bomb oil field in gulf and israel. Thats all .
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if the war intensify & civilian infrastructure start getting hit there would be a shortage of supplies , plus a famine .
atleast do have some realistic approach this war will finish either with Deal or by the destruction of iran .

Iran won't be destroyed whether you agree or not. The only opportunity was the first 2 weeks. The people stand by their government, and that's what matters for their success in the end. They have leverage and time on their side. Trump and Nethanyahu unfortunately do not.

 

[sutton9999]

Exactly . No high profile target got eliminated by iran while israel kill almost all of iranian leadership .
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Bombing civilians wont enforce them to stop war .

Not that simple, it is all about justification.

Iran could build dirty bombs, ruining Israel and even USA.

That's why they want to remove the enrichments.

 

[RocketLaw]

means europe is fucked....soon more of their leaders will start screaming and crying as europe economy grinds to a halt......

Yes absolutely!

Europe is collapsed, even if they want to buy oil from Russia in emergency, they must use Chinese Yuan currency to buy oil.

 

[Mujhe-Kyun-Tora]

Not that simple, it is all about justification.

Iran could build dirty bombs, ruining Israel and even USA.

That's why they want to remove the enrichments.

First of all there is no way iran vould reach American land .
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Second a dirt bomb would invite a tactical nuke . Go ahead with it .
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Deal is the only sensible option .

 

[Mujhe-Kyun-Tora]

Nobody claims that. My only problem is you claiming their military has collapsed. Do you think they can even remotely think of turning Iran into Gaza from just bombing?

Nobody claims that. But do you really think they don't have options or backups? They have prepared this for decades, you don't think they won't plan how to acquire supplies?


You claim their airforce was gone. I counter claimed that it is still present. Iran has based their tactics to use them sparingly which if you actually bothered to read up, you would understand why. Whether they are right or wrong, is another discussion altogether.


Iran won't be destroyed whether you agree or not. The only opportunity was the first 2 weeks. The people stand by their government, and that's what matters for their success in the end. They have leverage and time on their side. Trump and Nethanyahu unfortunately do not.

Just to summarize fro you .
Their Air force = nowhere to be seen. ( Thats what they plan in 45 years)
Navy = turns into brown water navy . Cant move further in Arabian Sea .
Army : only time will tell their position .
Air defence : score a dozen Ariel targets, most of them are drone.
Missiles : the only force that are hitting back . Highly dependent on logistics and supplies from other countries to maintain the stockpile.
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This war will finish either with a deal or destruction of iran .
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And no iran dont have time . If the closure of hormuz stays and Ariel bombing starts on civilian targets then the famine and economic collapse will arrive and you will see the ugly face of war .
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Even the war america lost (Veitnam war) cost Veitnam approx 4 million deaths.
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[Flotilla]

means europe is fucked....soon more of their leaders will start screaming and crying as europe economy grinds to a halt......

For sure. Inflation It is the best weapon.
Irán just need to hold fast the Straits.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

you think they can even remotely think of turning Iran into Gaza from just bombing?

100%. Factories, universities, hospitals, every infrastructure can be destroyed. Plus 100s of thousands of iranian civilian citizens lives.

If Escalation happens then Iran will lose exponentially. US mainland is safe, not a single US citizen is killed. Not a single US city is bombed. Not a single hospital or production capability is damaged. US is exporting record number of oil and its trade is going on as usual. While Iran's exports are at stand still due to US blockade.

When analysts used to say that Iran will win this war, they were right and they meant that Iran will win by denying US its objectives of war which were doing a regime change and destroying Iran's missile/drone capability. They never meant that Iran will damage US equally or more or win a war at tactical / technological level.

 

[RocketLaw]

I think it will be likely more focus on OIl Tankers next few weeks

Several tankers will be caught in the areas below:

INDIAN OCEAN
SRI LANKA lines
Malacca Strait

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[sutton9999]

First of all there is no way iran vould reach American land .
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Second a dirt bomb would invite a tactical nuke . Go ahead with it .
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Deal is the only sensible option .

You underestimate human endeavor.

Vietnam let it pass because they won, they have a future.

If USA gaza Iran, Iran has no future, Iranian will make sure USA has no future.

It is that simple.

 

[Mujhe-Kyun-Tora]

If USA gaza Iran, Iran has no future, Iranian will make sure USA has no future.

It is that simple.

How ? Exactly how ?
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Being anti American is fine but being an ostrich .............

iranian navy cant challenge us navy in open seas .
They cant reach American mainland .
The best they could do is bomb their military bases in gulf .

The

 

[ShapurII]

Completely agree.
But you're mixing Iranian society with american one. And the values and idiosincrasy are completely different.

Iranian society swim in inflation. US did a Revolution 200 years ago because of the price of the tea.

Just let them rise the price of everything 8% and then ask their children to die for Israel.

The US revolution was for independence from Britain, not over tea prices.

Iran has had two successful revolutions almost the size of the French revolution in one century and has had 4 major protests in the last 10 years alone. I suppose I understand the Iranian society better than someone from Spain.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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