Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Mobius]

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[mangekyo]

No, it absolutely wasn't. If you at least acknowledge the crimes the Assad regime has inflicted on us for decades, then you'd understand the oppression and built up rage bubbling beneath the surface against him. It's no different than the rage built up against Saddam's very own Baathis criminal regime in Iraq.

Our opposition and motivation to actually go out and demonstrate against his brutal regime was drawn out of courage of other oppressed Muslims rising up across the rest of the Arab world, it was organic for us, not orchestrated or organized by anything more than our own hatred for his torture and crimes he committed against us for generations.

Months afterwards, when they regime tried to put the demonstrations out the only way it knows, and has done successfully in the past, by massacring thousands of protesters and disappearing many of the demonstrators and their families, the civil war started, and it was all domestic at the beginning. Later as it dragged on into months and years, then all the foreign actors started piling in one after another. Everyone and their mother decided to participate at some point, but it was always driven by domestic opposition and mass uprising by ordinary Syrians that had enough of his brutality.

But at it's inception, if you deny that Syrians had serious mass grievances against the Assad regime for decades of unspeakable crimes against us, especially but not exclusively agains the majority Muslims, and were extremely self motivated to overthrow him at any possible chance, then you are mistaken. This entire propaganda smear campaign thats been waged against us that it was all just an Israeli plot, as if Assad was a great regime that was just and highly popular all this time, and it was really just the evil Jews and Americans that orchestrated a small rebellion to overthrow him out of nowhere, is just insulting and tiresome.

you can hate Assad as much as you want, you can also hate Iran for supporting him. That is your right and I have nothing against that.

Syria had many protests before the Arab spring, the difference this time was that Israel, GCC, Turkey and western powers had already decided Syrias future prior to the protests. If you believe it was all a natural movement, then you need to wake up.

I understand that it’s easier to sleep at night when you believe you took your fate in your own hands, kicked assad out and installed Al-Qaida because it was just a natural movement, and was for Syria’s best. But you got played. There’s nothing to be ashamed of. Ultimately we are all pawns. The real power is refusing to let them brainwash you and control you with their narratives.

 

[Aziqbal]

Pay attention folks. Those that laughed at the Sheikh are not laughing now......

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This Imam is so correct

Always on point and always has been

 

[Lulldapull]

you can hate Assad as much as you want, you can also hate Iran for supporting him. That is your right and I have nothing against that.

Syria had many protests before the Arab spring, the difference this time was that Israel, GCC, Turkey and western powers had already decided Syrias future prior to the protests. If you believe it was all a natural movement, then you need to wake up.

I understand that it’s easier to sleep at night when you believe you took your fate in your own hands, kicked assad out and installed Al-Qaida because it was just a natural movement, and was for Syria’s best. But you got played. There’s nothing to be ashamed of. Ultimately we are all pawns. The real power is refusing to let them brainwash you and control you with their narratives.

This jihadi guy should not be on this thread. He needs to be ignored, so he goes away.

 

[Aryan_B]

you can hate Assad as much as you want, you can also hate Iran for supporting him. That is your right and I have nothing against that.

Syria had many protests before the Arab spring, the difference this time was that Israel, GCC, Turkey and western powers had already decided Syrias future prior to the protests. If you believe it was all a natural movement, then you need to wake up.

I understand that it’s easier to sleep at night when you believe you took your fate in your own hands, kicked assad out and installed Al-Qaida because it was just a natural movement, and was for Syria’s best. But you got played. There’s nothing to be ashamed of. Ultimately we are all pawns. The real power is refusing to let them brainwash you and control you with their narratives.

In 2012 I am sure I remember there was independent evidence that Assad had i think 52% plus support in Syria,

Most countries have minorities that are antagonistic to the centre and the majority. See the west classical text book is to arm a few of the minority. The minority then goes and "demonstrates" in the street. A few of them armed ( and possibly paid. I think saudis and Qataris were paying people to demonstrate at one stage in Syria). So these so called demonstraters with "legitamate" cause for concern shoot a few bullets at security or police. The police and or security shoot back. Then a few people die and before you know what you have civil war.

I didnt particularly like Assad and think he was an arrogant twat but you think the current regime brought in by Turkey (dissapointed in Turkey here) is good for Israelies or what?

Thats how to meusure what is good for us. Anything Israel likes is bad for Muslims period

 

[hussain0216]

Ceasefires actually play right into America's hands. Iran is never going to "beat" the U.S. in a straight-up war anyway; the whole point is to use this conflict to shake American hegemony and force them to rethink their aggressive stance toward Iran.

If Iran keeps flipping back and forth on a ceasefire now, all those undecided countries will think Iran is weak-willed and run straight back to the U.S. If that happens, Iran's strategic goals will be pretty much dead in the water.

No it doesn't

The Hormuz is still blocked, as are the Arab kinglets

Saudi will survive, Saudi has alternative options

The other kinglets don't, the ceasefire means the Hormuz is still closed but Iran is not being openly attacked and Iran can prepare


The weapon is the Hormuz not missiles or anything else

The U.S may try to attack again to force surrender and try to force the Hormuz to open

All Iran has to do is prepare and wait

 

[HAIDER]

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[mangekyo]

This jihadi guy should not be on this thread. He needs to be ignored, so he goes away.

I don’t know if he really is a jihadi, but I understand it’s very tough to swallow your pride and accept that you’ve been played. But there is no reason to be ashamed.

This is what they do to our region and have been doing for decades. The good old divide and conquer. They pay and arm certain actors to instigate chaos and they know exactly what to do to escalate the situation. Wether it’s by using religion, ethnic differences, cultural, economic warfare or whatever.

I just want people to wake up and see who the real enemy is.

 

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[ShapurII]

The US was the only one that provided some tangible but limited help on and off for short periods of time a year and half after the civil war started, but even their effort was disjointed and completely non-committal and ended up not being meaningful due to Obama's hesitation to get entangled in another war. Their only real help was the TOW ATGM supply program, which was pathetic in the limited number of people they transferred those to and the drip supply of missiles they provided that all had to be tracked and recorded. None of that assistance changed the balance or trajectory of the war.

Foreign assistance was absolutely pitiful in the overall scheme of things, and the effort it took to actually finally succeed was almost entirely due to our own blood and internal struggle, with honourable mention to Turkey. They really were the only country that truly stepped up and helped us out in any significant and impactful way, and we will never forget it.

To be fair, Turkey also provided you with game-changing weapons like the Bayraktar drone. They militarily supported HTS, provided you with logistics in the northwest of Syria, prevented the Kurds from taking your positions, convinced the Russians to reduce their support for Bashar Assad, etc.

GCC states also provided the rebels with financial support. A small group like Hamas with fewer than 50K trained fighters at its peak cost Iran over $100 million per year, per American and Israeli sources. Now, $100 million dollar is nothing for a state actor, but for rebels and groups without foreign support, it's a lot of money. Fighting an army like the Syrian Army for over a decade without constant financial support was impossible. The ISIS sold Syrian oil in the black market to finance their operations. They exported 20K-30K barrels per day, at discounted price.

 

[Broghil]

Barry be abroo ho kar...

 

[Flotilla]

i think this viewpoint gets made when people see china doing nothing to stop wars and genocide while its a emerging superpower(everyone has some expectations of the "superpowers").
Its more like people want to see real Chinese action on world stage....

Unfortunately we can't ask China to solve problems created deliberately by Israel and US.

It is abnormal and out of question that this problem can't be solved with military intervention of a superpower. That would escalate easily to the point of a III World War. Just imagine a PLAN Carrier Strike Group forcing the blockade and being illuminated by US destroyers of fighters. That would easily heat the situation to a boiling point.

We must be pragmatic. Israel and US didn't succeded in no one of their goals. Moreover the Entity is more isolated than ever. Any further action would remark the aggression and the unlawful actions commited by the US and Entity.

Let's see how performs the new air campaign, but Irán has also been reinforced and redeployed SAM systems.

If they re-start, nobody can blame Irán they stand up first from the table. And everybody will symphatize again with Islamic Republic and galvanize a Resistance feelings, from Brazil to South Korea, around the world.

Irán just need to survive and make some damage.

 

[Flotilla]

No, it absolutely wasn't. If you at least acknowledge the crimes the Assad regime has inflicted on us for decades, then you'd understand the oppression and built up rage bubbling beneath the surface against him. It's no different than the rage built up against Saddam's very own Baathis criminal regime in Iraq.

Our opposition and motivation to actually go out and demonstrate against his brutal regime was drawn out of courage of other oppressed Muslims rising up across the rest of the Arab world, it was organic for us, not orchestrated or organized by anything more than our own hatred for his torture and crimes he committed against us for generations.

Months afterwards, when they regime tried to put the demonstrations out the only way it knows, and has done successfully in the past, by massacring thousands of protesters and disappearing many of the demonstrators and their families, the civil war started, and it was all domestic at the beginning. Later as it dragged on into months and years, then all the foreign actors started piling in one after another. Everyone and their mother decided to participate at some point, but it was always driven by domestic opposition and mass uprising by ordinary Syrians that had enough of his brutality.

But at it's inception, if you deny that Syrians had serious mass grievances against the Assad regime for decades of unspeakable crimes against us, especially but not exclusively agains the majority Muslims, and were extremely self motivated to overthrow him at any possible chance, then you are mistaken. This entire propaganda smear campaign thats been waged against us that it was all just an Israeli plot, as if Assad was a great regime that was just and highly popular all this time, and it was really just the evil Jews and Americans that orchestrated a small rebellion to overthrow him out of nowhere, is just insulting and tiresome.

There are a old proverb that says "watch out with that you want".

You fullfilled your desire.

Syrians took out Iranian presence in your country. But something more disturbing is growing at the South.

And let me tell you something more. The duty of the new Syrian Government it is even more challenging than Iranian one. Al Shaara Government it is at reach of artillery from Israel, but also cannot enjoy continous military support from Turkey. Whatever heavy weaponry received will be wipe out.

I really hope you can take out that growing cáncer from the South of your country. With whoever can help you.

Even if you didn't like the Iranian support to Al Assad, you must hold fast your hands because your country's fate is also dependent on Iranian one.

A eventual victory of Israel would have incalculable costs for Syria.

Hope to be wrong. Many people around the world just want to kick off the Entity of your neighborhood. And if Irán didn't succeed to do It from Syria I just wish you luck, and people that are supporting you to do so (Turkey).

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[Persian Gulf]

thread is not about Syria