Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SteppeWolff]

If you think Pakistani military presence in KSA will give KSA a green light to allow US to use it's bases to launch attacks on Iran then you are dreaming. Iran will take whatever measure necessary to protect itself.

Pakistani military presence in KSA is for the protection of KSA, there's no offensive purpose. If you think Pakistan will renegade on its pact with KSA over Iran, you are dreaming too.

 

[Meengla]

Trita Parsi is the expert on Iran-US relations. I didn't have time to watch full video but so far in the video he says gaps have narrowed in the talks and that the fissile material issue can be resolved and should not be allowed to derail the talks which would lead to bad consequences for both sides. He is also saying the latest Ayatollah statement about keeping the fissile material is not interpreted correctly: The material should not be given to America is the bottom line.
BTW, this is a new Pakistani English language channel and has interesting guests. Doesn't get enough exposure.

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[东风夜放花千树]

That's not why, it's because a lot of senators believe this war was completely unnecessary. It had nothing to do with the loss of a few planes. no one wants any loss, but in war there are losses.

In this case it was an extremely small loss in the massive USA Air Force.

I find it hard to agree with your view.

I really find it difficult to understand one thing: why does U.S. law grant the president a 60-day war authorization? When the U.S. president wages war, they only need to withdraw troops within 60 days, and there is also a 30-day buffer period. This is the War Powers Act passed in 1973.

This seems more like a period of observation for the U.S. Congress and the American people. If the war the president initiates holds an advantage, most members of Congress and Americans will choose to support the war. If the war initiated by the president does not achieve the expected results, most members of Congress and Americans will choose to oppose the war.

According to a Harris poll in December 2025, 76% of American voters support arresting Maduro, and 85% support ousting him.

According to a poll released in May 2026, 61% of Americans surveyed believe that launching a war against Iran was a wrong decision, with fewer than 20% believing the action was successful. 77% of American voters were concerned that military action would trigger terrorist attacks against the U.S. homeland.

In February 2026, support for military action in Israel exceeded 80%. However, with Iran's counterattacks, from March to May, Israel frequently experienced anti-war protests. Yet Israel’s invasions of Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria, and its bombings in Qatar, did not provoke large-scale opposition from the Israeli people.

In Iran, Palestine, Yemen, Syria, and Lebanon—these wars were all initiated by the U.S. and Israel. The U.S. and Israel cannot wait until they find themselves unable to achieve victory to begin opposing the war.

This gives others the impression that the U.S. and Israelis are not genuinely seeking peace; they only realize the war might reach them personally.

On May 19, the U.S. Senate passed a bill to limit Trump’s ability to wage war with 50 votes in favor and 47 against. But this is only the first step. The bill needs at least two rounds of votes and then must be passed by the House of Representatives. If Trump exercises his presidential veto, Congress would need a two-thirds vote in both chambers to override it, which is impossible. This has never happened in U.S. history.

The decisions made by American lawmakers are only because they realize victory won’t come easily, turning from evil to 'justice.' American lawmakers do not care about the Iranians dying under U.S. bombings. It can even be said that American lawmakers are accomplices to the war; they do not become noble by trying to stop it. The fact is, they are unable to stop the war.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

Pakistani military presence in KSA is for the protection of KSA, there's no offensive purpose. If you think Pakistan will renegade on its pact with KSA over Iran, you are dreaming too.

I agree with your point of view. The main task of Pakistan's troops stationed in Saudi Arabia is to protect Saudi Arabia.

According to the military agreement signed by the two countries, Pakistan provides Saudi Arabia with comprehensive defense commitments. The credibility of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia is trustworthy.

 

[KAL-EL]

I find it hard to agree with your view.

I really find it difficult to understand one thing: why does U.S. law grant the president a 60-day war authorization? When the U.S. president wages war, they only need to withdraw troops within 60 days, and there is also a 30-day buffer period. This is the War Powers Act passed in 1973.

This seems more like a period of observation for the U.S. Congress and the American people. If the war the president initiates holds an advantage, most members of Congress and Americans will choose to support the war. If the war initiated by the president does not achieve the expected results, most members of Congress and Americans will choose to oppose the war.

According to a Harris poll in December 2025, 76% of American voters support arresting Maduro, and 85% support ousting him.

According to a poll released in May 2026, 61% of Americans surveyed believe that launching a war against Iran was a wrong decision, with fewer than 20% believing the action was successful. 77% of American voters were concerned that military action would trigger terrorist attacks against the U.S. homeland.

In February 2026, support for military action in Israel exceeded 80%. However, with Iran's counterattacks, from March to May, Israel frequently experienced anti-war protests. Yet Israel’s invasions of Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria, and its bombings in Qatar, did not provoke large-scale opposition from the Israeli people.

In Iran, Palestine, Yemen, Syria, and Lebanon—these wars were all initiated by the U.S. and Israel. The U.S. and Israel cannot wait until they find themselves unable to achieve victory to begin opposing the war.

This gives others the impression that the U.S. and Israelis are not genuinely seeking peace; they only realize the war might reach them personally.

On May 19, the U.S. Senate passed a bill to limit Trump’s ability to wage war with 50 votes in favor and 47 against. But this is only the first step. The bill needs at least two rounds of votes and then must be passed by the House of Representatives. If Trump exercises his presidential veto, Congress would need a two-thirds vote in both chambers to override it, which is impossible. This has never happened in U.S. history.

The decisions made by American lawmakers are only because they realize victory won’t come easily, turning from evil to 'justice.' American lawmakers do not care about the Iranians dying under U.S. bombings. It can even be said that American lawmakers are accomplices to the war; they do not become noble by trying to stop it. The fact is, they are unable to stop the war.

Well that's one of the great things about this place, you don't have to agree.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

Well that's one of the great things about this place, you don't have to agree.

This is very good.

 

[Homajon]

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[baqai]

So why did US create reasons NOT to invade Iran via groind forces earlier this year?
Y'all make excuses for US cuz you can't get over the fact in your face that US military capabilities are falling apart in front of competent motivated asymmetrical forces?

take a deep breath, read what i posted again, get it translated for easy understanding if required and it will lead you to understand that my post has nothing to do with US force or it's motivation or capabilities, in simple english it says "If US decides to attack it will invent a stupid fake reason to attack, if they decide not to attack they will find even more stupid fake reason for that as well"

 

[Meengla]

take a deep breath, read what i posted again, get it translated for easy understanding if required and it will lead you to understand that my post has nothing to do with US force or it's motivation or capabilities, in simple english it says "If US decides to attack it will invent a stupid fake reason to attack, if they decide not to attack they will find even more stupid fake reason for that as well"

Right. @925boy misunderstood you. I thought of clarifying for you but glad you did it yourself. And his response wasn't wrong either: If the Americans had thought a ground invasion would tilt the balance in this war then they would have but I have not seen a single sane analyst saying Americans should do a ground invasion--not even a limited one except maybe in and out in a few hours. It is a hornets nest in and around the Strait and even outside of the Strait into the north Arabian Sea.

 

[Meengla]

Hard to see how this war will escalate. It seems like Netanyahu is trying very hard but so far has not prevailed over Trump.

Pakistan's Asma Shirazi is generally credible. English captions available. Also, Israel's Ynet also reporting similar. But then things go viral from just one source...

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[Xerxes22]

Wild guess China will not help Iran snd in return US will look away on taiwan…

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Wild and inaccurate guess. China knows it'll annex Taiwan by diplomatic means. Taiwan will willingly join China in 20 years anyway. So there's no reason for any concessions with the US for China

 

[Flotilla]

I agree with your point of view. The main task of Pakistan's troops stationed in Saudi Arabia is to protect Saudi Arabia.

According to the military agreement signed by the two countries, Pakistan provides Saudi Arabia with comprehensive defense commitments. The credibility of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia is trustworthy.

In my oppinion it is even better to host pakistanese troops.

Remember US was "protecting" Saudi arabia, so if they change US by Pakistanese troops, the better for Irán.

You know Pakistán will not plot with Israel agains Irán, which was exactly the main activity of americans in Saudi Arabia.

Maybe I am wrong, but I think that MBS is acting wisely in this conflict (with mistakes, for sure) but with more maturity than previous times.

 

[Magi]

Pakistani military presence in KSA is for the protection of KSA, there's no offensive purpose. If you think Pakistan will renegade on its pact with KSA over Iran, you are dreaming too.

KSA is guilty of hosting and funding the attacks and will receive a response from Iran.