Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[KAL-EL]

I'm talking about the losses overall .. same happened in 1973 when Arabs did boycott sending oil to U.S and Europe.
same thing repeats again. obviously U.S has superior military yet there is always something that can hurt the U.S which is oil and inflation that was a successful move in 1973 and history repeats itself again in 2026.

good luck when we close suez canal too.

Lets see it get closed first. You can predict all you want until it happens.

Until then I wouldn't hold my breath

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

That's fair to be honest but things need to change now , Pakistan and Iran should stop taking sides against each others and try to solve everything.

Field Marshal Munir might disagree with you.

 

[Desert]

Lets see it get closed first. You can predict all you want until it happens.

Until then I wouldn't hold my breath

Alright . .

 

[lightning f57]

If hostilities do re-start, it wont be Iran starting it so one must wonder what would the US goal be?

What would they want to achieve that they couldnt in 40+ days of war?

If its to bomb around the SOH to reduce any drone/missile attacks then all it takes is one drone to hit a tanker to stop the ships from moving. Regime change was a failure so cant see a new attack proceeding.

The only logical conclusion I come up with is the attack would be to cripple Iran economically for many years by destroying key critical infrastructure but then the gulfies will likely lose key infra as well.

So I really dont see what military action will achieve.

 

[SteppeWolff]

That's fair to be honest but things need to change now , Pakistan and Iran should stop taking sides against each others and try to solve everything.

Agreed. Geography cannot be changed, and Iran and Pakistan will always remain neighbours. Better to work with each other than against each other.

 

[925boy]

Saudi Arabia is vital for the Muslim world and Middle East

It can't be attacked, not because it hasn't made stupid decisions in the past including the recent past, because the only way to protect the region is to pull the major states out of the western Zionist orbit

Israeli vampire behavior and control of the West and U.S has led them to make a major strategic mistake, it's now vital Iran and other countries take advantage and plan for a new middle east

This means Iran, Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi, Egypt, Indonesia and multiple other smaller countries working together

UAE is a real den of snakes and deserves punishment, so does Bahrain and lesser extent Kuwait and Qatar but Saudi is a bigger state and Iranian miscalculation will just lead to eternal enmity


This is where diplomacy between states is vital now

First of all, I enjoy reading your posts.

But I have to disagree with you in the whole "Saudi should not be attacked by Iran because it's vital for Islam and middle East" narrative.

This recent war proved that-
1. Saudi Arabia isn't a worthy leader of the the Sunni Islam order, even though there is no better leader available to take over from the Saudia

2. Saudi Arabia (including its military) is a BIG- FOR -NOTHING useless force, Iran beat them up , as Saudia deserved and earned, and nobody could do anything about it, which is ok, because we are in the era of "might is right".

In short- since islam's global leadership is disoriented and lost, Iran had every right to take control of the Islamic order and structure in the world, because no other country comes close to deserving the leadership and actually serving the Islamic world. I respect Islam and do not want to say anything insensitive about it, but Sunni Islam today is in BAD SHAPE.

 

[Meengla]

Tell that to the Iranian and other members of our forum who want to see Pakistan as an adversary, despite Pakistan doing its maximum to help achieve cessation of hostilities in our region.
Pakistan will not take sides but Pakistan will not renegade on its commitments too.
Just like Iran is free to work with India and woo them, Pakistan is free to work with its treaty ally KSA too.

It is best not to put too much weight into what some PDF members here say. What is important is what the official Iranian position says.

As far as I can tell, Pakistan has worked really, really, really hard to not allow the Saudis to react against Iran; some attacks on KSA happened and some were attributed to Israel's False Flag. And from media reports, the Saudis and the Iranian foreign ministers have spoken with each other; that's not a hostile relationship. I think the extent of Pakistan's help maybe blocking Iranian missiles on some critical Saudi infra and that will be it. I don't see Iranians doing that. Israelis might as False Flag.

BTW, any Pakistani presence in Saudi Arabia should be a major threat to Israel above any other country. The presence could grow larger and move westward. But it is all speculative at this point. At the least such westward movement should put some brakes on the Israeli help to India.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[KAL-EL]

I guess it all depends on how much pizza is being ordered at the Pentagon

 

[hussain0216]

First of all, I enjoy reading your posts.

But I have to disagree with you in the whole "Saudi should not be attacked by Iran because it's vital for Islam and middle East" narrative.

This recent war proved that-
1. Saudi Arabia isn't a worthy leader of the the Sunni Islam order, even though there is no better leader available to take over from the Saudia

2. Saudi Arabia (including its military) is a BIG- FOR -NOTHING useless force, Iran beat them up , as Saudia deserved and earned, and nobody could do anything about it, which is ok, because we are in the era of "might is right".

In short- since islam's global leadership is disoriented and lost, Iran had every right to take control of the Islamic order and structure in the world, because no other country comes close to deserving the leadership and actually serving the Islamic world. I respect Islam and do not want to say anything insensitive about it, but Sunni Islam today is in BAD SHAPE.

Look I get it, but this kind of talk will lead to internal conflict and a violent, destructive internal conflict at that

And victory is not clear cut

The Arab kinglets, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain etc were set up to control resources via small useless kingdom.states that were easily manipulated

The threat from bigger Muslim states, means decadent kings would ally themselves to the western empires (British, French at first, then the USA) to safeguard their position, wealth and power

They are fake states and removing them or getting them under control is vital going forward


Saudi Arabia is different , it's much bigger, wealthier, controls Mecca and Medina and is very much the leader of the Arab world or at least GCC

Any attempt to harm Saudi will lead to a multi state war and is simply not worth it

For all the mistakes of the past, we cannot repeat those mistakes in the future
And the best steps will be for Iran and Saudi to make peace and come to agreement and for that to happen both need to understand the others red lines

 

[MH.Yang]

Israel is a military outpost for the US. At the same time I do not think Israel is necessary for them to have an outpost. In my opinion America would have a much easier time putting outposts in Arab land if they were not supporting Israel, and instead framed it as supporting X or Y arab country.

Zionism started in the 1800's and Israel was originally backed by the UK. Jews, or perhaps Frankist Jews, modified the Bible and brainwashed generations of Americans into believing Jews are superior and that Israel must be supported at all costs.

I used to think of American wars in the Mid East as secular, now all of this seems to be directly caused by Christian/Jewish extremism.

1. Geospatial value: The United States has long regarded Israel as its most reliable strategic pivot in the Middle East, sometimes even referred to as the "unsinkable aircraft carrier". This relationship began to take shape during the Cold War against the Soviet Union, with Israel serving as a key "regional asset" that helped the United States balance regional power.

2. Powerful lobbying groups: Within the United States, pro Israel lobbying groups are considered one of the most efficient interest groups in Washington and have a strong influence on congressional foreign policy.

3. Political considerations in elections: The influence of Jewish voters, Christian evangelicals, and other groups in key constituencies makes supporting Israel a highly important issue for American politicians.

4. Financial stewardship and significant shared economic interests: In medieval to early modern Europe, there was a widespread phenomenon of "court Jews" in European royal and aristocratic families. Some Jewish financiers, relying on their transnational family networks and keen business acumen, provided loans and raised military funds for European royal aristocrats in return for certain privileges. The Rothschild family during its heyday is a typical example, which became an important channel for financing for various European royal families and nobles through its family banking network spread throughout Europe. In modern times, Jewish groups still play the role of financial service providers and investment managers, who are actually investment butlers for the "old money" families in Europe and America. They have a financial relationship with the Western "old money" family that has a history of hundreds of years of cooperation.

The Jewish group not only manages the debt and financing of European sovereign states, but also the private property of the "old money" families in Europe and America. For example, the wealth of the Liechtenstein royal family (approximately $490 billion) is almost entirely concentrated in LGT Private Bank, which has long been part of a cluster of financial institutions controlled by the Rothschild family (Jewish conglomerate).


Overall, Israel, the United States, and some political forces in Europe (royal families and nobles) have extremely strong political, economic, religious, and other comprehensive interests tied together. Don't think you can cut off their support for Israel.

Please remember this sentence soberly: Israel is essentially a tool for Jewish groups to lead European and American "old money" families and religious groups to plunder the wealth of the Islamic world.

 

[Master Chief]

It is best not to put too much weight into what some PDF members here say. What is important is what the official Iranian position says.

As far as I can tell, Pakistan has worked really, really, really hard to not allow the Saudis to react against Iran; some attacks on KSA happened and some were attributed to Israel's False Flag. And from media reports, the Saudis and the Iranian foreign ministers have spoken with each other; that's not a hostile relationship. I think the extent of Pakistan's help maybe blocking Iranian missiles on some critical Saudi infra and that will be it. I don't see Iranians doing that. Israelis might as False Flag.

BTW, any Pakistani presence in Saudi Arabia should be a major threat to Israel above any other country. The presence could grow larger and move westward. But it is all speculative at this point. At the least such westward movement should put some brakes on the Israeli help to India.

A logical take. I would add that it is perfectly reasonable for Pakistan to exert its influence in this way, and moreover, it is also partly an inevitable reaction to Delhi's hostile manoeuvring in the region over a few decades now. Pakistan was going to demonstrate its strength here sooner or later.

Rather than any party taking some form of affront to this, it is far more mutually beneficial for Saudis, Iranians and others to forge a path forwards alongside Pakistan. Iran's leaders certainly are very receptive and cordial towards Pakistan's representatives. That level of trust must have been genuinely earned somewhere along the way.

 

[Immortals]

Let’s see if war resumes.

US might go for a early morning Saturday attack or wait till Saturday evening or even Sunday evening.

Would be a bold move to go to war so close to the World Cup starting.

 

[Meengla]

A logical take. I would add that it is perfectly reasonable for Pakistan to exert its influence in this way, and moreover, it is also partly an inevitable reaction to Delhi's hostile manoeuvring in the region over a few decades now. Pakistan was going to demonstrate its strength here sooner or later.
Rather than any party taking some form of affront to this, it is far more mutually beneficial for Saudis, Iranians and others to forge a path forwards alongside Pakistan. Iran's leaders certainly are very receptive and cordial towards Pakistan's representatives. That level of trust must have been genuinely earned somewhere along the way.

IMO, Indians had betrayed Iran over an IAEA vote some years ago and also the Iranian Ayatollah had publicly called for justice over the Kashmir issue and that irked India. But India, being a large economy--trade around $20 billion/year with Iran--had far deeper pockets than Pakistan. I don't blame Iran for going after any morsel of money they could get given their situation. As for Chahbahar port, it is to be noted that the Indian investment on that port is lost to China just like the Indian investments in the Afghanistan between 2001 and 2021--lost.
India has been trying to make up for its geographic remoteness from the Eurasian theater by buying influence but I think India's military capabilities put India back. Pakistan and China have put India into a block of South Asian and Southeast Asian minnows.