Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

After a long time watched Alastair Crooke. While the whole video worth watching for the challenges inside Israel's political system, the desire for Trump to exit this war, starting about this time of the video, Crooke briefly talks about the so-called Isfahan Rescue Mission. You know some of us have wondered about that and we know how that pilot rescue mission has been hush hushed.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[VCheng]

What fantasy bubble are you living in? Your white masters slaughtered Muslims in the region way before any resistance group were created and even before the revolution in Iran. Nobody shouted death to America back then. Did that stop them back then?

You are presenting a justification for Iran's policies, but that is not the issue here. Of course Iran has every right to have a policy that it feels is right for it as a sovereign nation. I have no problem with that at all.

But that that not I am saying here. Once again:

I am talking about the effect of Iran's policies on the American people. As much as Iran wants USA to stop its support of Israel, its own policies make it very, very difficult for the people here to choose Iran over Israel.

And Israel exploits this fact to its maximum advantage. Thus, Iran should be clear that if it wants a more amenable understanding of its position, it will also have to consider what makes it currently impossible.

Perhaps some can see the food for thought here, if anyone is so inclined.

The rest, of course, can ignore and spout off in any manner they wish. As usual.

 

[VCheng]

It is a fair point being made on the face of it.

But the Iranian people did not utter such words in a vacuum, nor did their specific loathing for the American republic arise randomly. They don't say "Death to Japan" because Japan wasn't the nation that overthrew their democratically elected government under Mossadegh. Hundreds of Iranians died during Operation Ajax.

For me, the real question is why do Iranians only chant against USA and Israel, when Britain was equally neck deep in the overthrow of Mossadegh and the installation of British Petroleum as part of a western monopoly in Shah era Iran?

But that is NOT the question I am posing: there is a difference between the why and the what, as I have explained multiple times:

You are presenting a justification for Iran's policies, but that is not the issue here. Of course Iran has every right to have a policy that it feels is right for it as a sovereign nation. I have no problem with that at all.

I am talking about the effect of Iran's policies on the American people. As much as Iran wants USA to stop its support of Israel, its own policies make it very, very difficult for the people here to choose Iran over Israel.

And Israel exploits this fact to its maximum advantage. Thus, Iran should be clear that if it wants a more amenable understanding of its position, it will also have to consider what makes it currently impossible.

Is that any clearer?

 

[VCheng]

Correction: 37 times thus far.

 

[RealNapster]

My request to Iran, just drop 500 missiles on Israel in a single day. Then you can stop.

 

[mangekyo]

You are presenting a justification for Iran's policies, but that is not the issue here. Of course Iran has every right to have a policy that it feels is right for it as a sovereign nation. I have no problem with that at all.

But that that not I am saying here. Once again:

I am talking about the effect of Iran's policies on the American people. As much as Iran wants USA to stop its support of Israel, its own policies make it very, very difficult for the people here to choose Iran over Israel.

And Israel exploits this fact to its maximum advantage. Thus, Iran should be clear that if it wants a more amenable understanding of its position, it will also have to consider what makes it currently impossible.

Perhaps some can see the food for thought here, if anyone is so inclined.

The rest, of course, can ignore and spout off in any manner they wish. As usual.

So when US supported Israel by destroying Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria, supported Israel in all its war pre 1979 and post 1979, including the occupation of Lebanon prior to Hezbollah was formed, its support for genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians before Hamas was created. All that was because of Iran’s policies towards Israel?

You Zionist never run out of excuses. I doubt you’re a Pakistani, but if you really are, being a Pakistani Zionist with an imperialistic worldview is so sad that I genuinely feel sorry for you.

 

[VCheng]

So when US supported Israel by destroying Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria, supported Israel in all its war pre 1979 and post 1979, including the occupation of Lebanon prior to Hezbollah was formed, its support for genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians before Hamas was created. All that was because of Iran’s policies towards Israel?

Again, you are choosing to remain totally off track.

Please learn the difference between justification (not the issue here) and effect (the real issue) before we can discuss this further.

 

[Ali_Baba]

My request to Iran, just drop 500 missiles on Israel in a single day. Then you can stop.

And - rather than dropping 500 missiles "randomly" all over the place, they should aim all 500 for one very large and very expensive installation, and actually "destroy it" ....

The targeting of the IRGC makes very little sense as nothing is getting destroyed in Israel, whereas Israel has destroyed installations in Iran ...

 

[Aziqbal]

My request to Iran, just drop 500 missiles on Israel in a single day. Then you can stop.

I agree

Ceasefire is close just hammer them

But going to hard to derail things

It’s a balancing act

 

[RealNapster]

And - rather than dropping 500 missiles "randomly" all over the place, they should aim all 500 for one very large and very expensive installation, and actually "destroy it" ....

The targeting of the IRGC makes very little sense as nothing is getting destroyed in Israel, whereas Israel has destroyed installations in Iran ...

Last year, they were targeting those tall buildings. It seems somehow the lost the capability to target those targets or attack in meaningful numbers. It seems the claim of US and Israel that they have destroyed Iranian missile launchers is true. Because we haven't seen them dropping more than 30 missiles in a single day in like 2 months now.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Last year, they were targeting those tall buildings. It seems somehow the loat the capability to target those targets or attack in meaningful numbers. It seems the claim of US and Israel that they have destroyed Iranian missile launchers is true. Because we haven't seen them dropping more than 30 missiles in a single day in like 2 months now.

Why target tall buildings, that too was a waste of missiles. Why not take out "expensive" military-industrial complex sites instead? , or large economic targets like Intel Fabs ? Now that Israel has done that with the petro-chemical site, what stops Iran doing the same ?

Point taken on the launchers, but I still maintain the targeting logic makes no sense militarily.

 

[RealNapster]

Why target tall buildings, that too was a waste of missiles. Why not take out "expensive" military-industrial complex sites instead? , or large economic targets like Intel Fabs ? Now that Israel has done that with the petro-chemical site, what stops Iran doing the same ?

Point taken on the launchers, but I still maintain the targeting logic makes no sense militarily.

Well. There is a psychological aspects to war as well. And what better example of that can I give other then twin towers ?

And yes. The MIC, intell etc... all those shinny startup offices. Microsoft etc.

 

[Master Chief]

But that is NOT the question I am posing: there is a difference between the why and the what, as I have explained multiple times:

You are presenting a justification for Iran's policies, but that is not the issue here. Of course Iran has every right to have a policy that it feels is right for it as a sovereign nation. I have no problem with that at all.

I am talking about the effect of Iran's policies on the American people. As much as Iran wants USA to stop its support of Israel, its own policies make it very, very difficult for the people here to choose Iran over Israel.

And Israel exploits this fact to its maximum advantage. Thus, Iran should be clear that if it wants a more amenable understanding of its position, it will also have to consider what makes it currently impossible.

Is that any clearer?

Sir, this is a baloney sandwich. I ordered a nothing burger.

 

[Lulldapull]

After a long time watched Alastair Crooke. While the whole video worth watching for the challenges inside Israel's political system, the desire for Trump to exit this war, starting about this time of the video, Crooke briefly talks about the so-called Isfahan Rescue Mission. You know some of us have wondered about that and we know how that pilot rescue mission has been hush hushed.

Bhai to save one junked ass loser from capture the US sent in dozens of aircraft and that turned into a third class hollywood action filumm. End result was a total fail and the loss of several hundred million dollars.