Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

OMG! And also a response!

 

[Ali_Baba]

Is the 60-day "pause" for talks, an attempt to refill the worlds oil coffers, and manage oil price before the USA tries again ?! Have we really seen the end, or is this just a pause?

 

[Meengla]

And what are any of the Muslim countries including Turkey and Pakistan doing anything to protect this fortress? Right! Absolutely nothing.

Pakistan and to a lesser extent Turkey have played a key role in preventing an all out Arab-Iran war especially restraining Saudi Arabia. Not everything has to be a hot war. And, as Chas Freeman keeps saying, there is going to be an almost certain new order in the Middle East after this war with diminished American presence in that region and a Turkey, Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia led order. The Arab countries will be more engaged with Iran.
Here is Chas hinting toward what is coming up. I greatly respect his voice.

 

[unconventional]

The problem with this 14 point plan, if true, is that it doesn’t call Israel (and its occupation of southern Lebanon) out explicitly when it comes to ending the war in Lebanon.

The problem is that this is a US-Iran agreement only, and Israel can say it is not a party to this agreement; hence it can continue its actions in southern Lebanon.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Soar found an impact on a newly-built hangar (2025) at ISA Air Base in Bahrain, base hosting US Navy P-8 Poseidon.

The damage was done between June 2-7, IRGC targeted US Bases in Bahrain with Missiles & Drones on June 3 & June 6.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Direct submunition impacts on 60m long EW building in IAF airbase

 

[Pakistan First]

If that's really also the most important demand of Iran then I don't see any peace deal happening.

Because if Iran considers the US bases in the region as a threat to its security at the same time US consider those bases as extremely valuable. Through the presence of this hard power, US enjoys complete hegemony in the region and earn 100s of billions by extortion (oil rich countries spending 100s of billions of dollar on US equipment that's ultimately controlled by the US in the end. That drives US mega defense industry and employs thousands in the US. Also the hegemonic control pushes oil rich countries of region to invest in the US with close to trillion dollars).

So US wants absolute control of that region always. US cannot afford to leave the region as Iranian general demanded. It will be massive blow to US foreign policy and hegemony. US would prefer war but not accept withdrawal from the region.

The middle ground could be that they both decides that few bases to be abandoned like US 5th fleet HQ in Bahrain. That keeps US navy destroyers all in and around PG and strait of hormuz and bases in Iraq and Kuwait. But US will keep bases in KSA, UAE and others for sure.

 

[OldTwilight]

Agreed - Hard to believe that the US would accept this. It'll be a mighty slap on their face to do so.

Having Iran neutral player controlling Persian gulf is best for USA in long term ...

 

[lightning f57]

Reasonable one would say

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

lol - I would be shocked if that is true! It reads like a surrender document for the USA.

It does not specify the "Israeli" withdrawal from Lebanon nor the end of the destruction of properties and other civilian infrastructure that "Israeli" forces are carrying out in South Lebanon. So for the people of South Lebanon, it is not good enough.

Hopefully, all fronts will include Gaza in addition to Yemen.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Correct, though Pakistan hasn't been that bad, we been doing everything possible to stop the war.
Though Turkey(govt) on other hand is literally advancing the zionist project, WEST puppet neutered Syria is one example.

Turkey is helping Syria to rebuild its military and stand on its own feet. Syria currently is in reconstruction mode.

 

[Nawnaw1]

If that's really also the most important demand of Iran then I don't see any peace deal happening.

Because if Iran considers the US bases in the region as a threat to its security at the same time US consider those bases as extremely valuable. Through the presence of this hard power, US enjoys complete hegemony in the region and earn 100s of billions by extortion (oil rich countries spending 100s of billions of dollar on US equipment that's ultimately controlled by the US in the end. That drives US mega defense industry and employs thousands in the US. Also the hegemonic control pushes oil rich countries of region to invest in the US with close to trillion dollars).

So US wants absolute control of that region always. US cannot afford to leave the region as Iranian general demanded. It will be massive blow to US foreign policy and hegemony. US would prefer war but not accept withdrawal from the region.

The middle ground could be that they both decides that few bases to be abandoned like US 5th fleet HQ in Bahrain. That keeps US navy destroyers all in and around PG and strait of hormuz and bases in Iraq and Kuwait. But US will keep bases in KSA, UAE and others for sure.

You are fully right. At the other hand, those bases will be under constant attack any time the US tries to do something. So they are in an untenable position. My hunch is a slow quiet withdrawal, more towards the western side of west asia, i.e. jordan. But yes, their plans are in the rubbish bin. They built the biggest 'embassy' in the world in baghdad, as an operations center for the entire region. That was for nothing too. They won't be operating anything out of there anymore in the future. Plans change, reality exists. They will have to because Iran forced and forces them to.

 

[Meengla]

It does not specify the "Israeli" withdrawal from Lebanon nor the end of the destruction of properties and other civilian infrastructure that "Israeli" forces are carrying out in South Lebanon. So for the people of South Lebanon, it is not good enough.
Hopefully, all fronts will include Gaza in addition to Yemen.

The 14 Point MOU is deliberately kept to the briefest possible 'understanding' to build upon during the next 60 days of pause in fighting and if needed 60 more days. Without an MOU, the fighting would continue and the global economy would continue to hurt--which has the consequences for both Iran and America in significant ways.
But Iran has put its foot down about the Lebanon issue and thrown the ball in Trump's court to force Netanyahu. This conflict is essentially now a test of will of President Trump vs Netanyahu.

 

[Master Chief]

Ir

Iran must not capitulate to this b.s. phraseology.

"Cessation of hostilities in Lebanon" does not equate to "withdrawal from Lebanon".

Anyway, I don't think Iran is stupid enough to fall for this garbage.

 

[Master Chief]

The problem with this 14 point plan, if true, is that it doesn’t call Israel (and its occupation of southern Lebanon) out explicitly when it comes to ending the war in Lebanon.

The problem is that this is a US-Iran agreement only, and Israel can say it is not a party to this agreement; hence it can continue its actions in southern Lebanon.

It doesn't even ask for Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.

Iran won't accept this nonsense.