You are fully right. At the other hand, those bases will be under constant attack any time the US tries to do something. So they are in an untenable position. My hunch is a slow quiet withdrawal, more towards the western side of west asia, i.e. jordan. But yes, their plans are in the rubbish bin. They built the biggest 'embassy' in the world in baghdad, as an operations center for the entire region. That was for nothing too. They won't be operating anything out of there anymore in the future. Plans change, reality exists. They will have to because Iran forced and forces them to.
Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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Meengla
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The 14 Point MOU is deliberately kept to the briefest possible 'understanding' to build upon during the next 60 days of pause in fighting and if needed 60 more days. Without an MOU, the fighting would continue and the global economy would continue to hurt--which has the consequences for both Iran and America in significant ways.
But Iran has put its foot down about the Lebanon issue and thrown the ball in Trump's court to force Netanyahu. This conflict is essentially now a test of will of President Trump vs Netanyahu.
Master Chief
Trusted Member
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Iran must not capitulate to this b.s. phraseology.
"Cessation of hostilities in Lebanon" does not equate to "withdrawal from Lebanon".
Anyway, I don't think Iran is stupid enough to fall for this garbage.
Iran must not capitulate to this b.s. phraseology.
"Cessation of hostilities in Lebanon" does not equate to "withdrawal from Lebanon".
Anyway, I don't think Iran is stupid enough to fall for this garbage.
Master Chief
Trusted Member
It doesn't even ask for Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.
Iran won't accept this nonsense.
BananaRepublic
Trusted Member
The way you talk is like IRGC just need to push a button.
IRGC physically doesn’t have the weapons to do what you want them to do.
No Muslim country does.
Asymmetric and attrition war is the only option.
You either accept the Afghan/Vietnam strategy or you surrender.
There’s no Return of the Jedi silver bullet to down the Evil Empire.
PakistanLVR
Registered Member
Sorry, you’re wrong on this one. Pakistan has the capacity and capability tenfold, so does Turkey. Iran does too with their missiles which I expect will become bigger and deadlier.
RealNapster
Elite Member
Than Iran can also say that it's deal was with USA and last it checked Israel is still not the 51st state of USA. And click on launch.
Withdrawing from Lebanon or not is not capitulation. If a deal like this gets done and holds, within a few years not even the Arabs themselves will allow Israel to set foot in any Arab land, wherever. Things don't happen in a vacuum. If America and it's posture get significantly reduced in the middle east, you think irsrael kan just do what it likes there? It's entire existense will be in question, and not because of military conflict. But the wrath of hundreds of millions of people in the region. Forced recognition and reconciliation with dictatorship governments (arab dictatorships) is not sustainable mid- to long term.
Master Chief
Trusted Member
Good points. However, you describe a distant pipe dream. One or two Arab nations are waking up to the reality of having to actually cooperate with Iran regarding Israel, but many of them are firmly entrenched and will help Israel expand in any direction, even their own back yard.
UAE has just arranged an Israeli base in its territory.
Israel will keep going unless it is stopped now.
You're right, but I think that's just the very short term. Sure, a country like UAE is fake, 1 million actual inhabitants, all fully rich, they don't care, and 9 million south asians. But Jordan? How long can a country with 70% palestinian population be kept under the veils? Or Syria even in the future? The sunni people (and all others) fully hate israel. What about Iraq? They're growing rapidly. What will the iraqi government do in 20 years?
I don't mean war, fighting, lobbing missiles. What is pressure mounts on arab middle eastern governments so much (egypt also) to sanction israel fully? in 30 years maybe even the persian gulf arab countries will say: change your behaviour little sh!t, or we will demand the countries we sell oil to to sanction you. Secondary sanctions. It's not something only america can do.
What i mean basically is: if Iran comes out of this and is seen by the arab world as the protector of the weak in lebanon and filistin, pressure by the arab street will mount in a very big way to their dictator governments. to at least take action, not by arms, but by political anger and sanctions. can the entity survive that? they will have to change behaviour. even europe and the us will pressure them. no hegemony for a tiny entity, it's ridiculous. like a child walking into the gym and wanting to be the strongest man in the room. ridiculous.
PakistanLVR
Registered Member
Maybe we are looking at this wrong way, these regimes are illegitimate and serve only one purpose and that’s to be picked as hand chosen viceroys to safeguard the non Muslim interests. Everyone is arguing here for years on why these despots didn’t help out Gaza. Well because their thrones depends on the foreign powers protection.
Iran honestly should’ve taken out all their oil fields infrastructure. Wreck the petrol dollar hegemony for good so it doesn’t recover. They steal Muslim resources while pushing anti Islamic culture into the lands and at home in the West they treat Muslims like trash, whipping boy for all their mistakes.
Flotilla
Trusted Member
What the heck!!!!
Considering that JCPOA had a 5 years of lifetime to remove UN Sanctions and no one soldier left Persian Gulf... this is more alike Versailles Treaty II than a Peace agreement
