Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The Americans blocked Iran's energy exports (which were not before the conflict), and now they are going to allow iran to export again.

Iranian oil has been sanctioned since 1996 by an act. Iran continues to sell both before during and after. You should instead talk volumes... pre war volumes were 2 million bpd and they increased by a bit during war... Iran still managed to sell oil during the blockade ... numbers are not fully known but Chinese refineries kept receiving oil under Malaysian blend.
However, US oil reserves have dropped to less than half their capacity during this time ... a deal now literally saved hitting the bottom of the barrel! You may not drive but those who do can tell the difference... they're paying for with their wallets... the whole world did!

In the meanwhile, Iran is asking the Americans to pay for war damages. The Americans are not asking for any war damages.

Add, how many times Iran walked away from the table as well... that half sentence only reflects heartburn.

 

[Aziqbal]

seems like Iran has taught US + Israel a lesson that will last a lifetime

how the hell did they manage this

 

[VCheng]

The way I see it. Iran intention from the begining to enrich uranium a step below weapons grade was never to make bomb but to show capability and use it to get rid of sanctions.

We will know just how well that strategy worked once the terms are made known.

 

[Master Chief]

I've explained this repeatedly. It's the basic concept of keeping your head low and building, as much as you can for as long as you can or as long as you need. How is this concept difficult for anyone to grasp? I can't be expected to repeat this answer again.



When you give the bastard enough of what it wants then it will leave you alone-er. If not as much as Turkey then at least as much as Pakistan.



Again, I've mentioned this very basic understanding before and will not repeat it again after this. Not poking does not ensure being left alone but gives you a chance at it. Poking ensures you have no chance.

You're suggesting a pragmatic approach, which is of course perfectly sensible and even ideal. The only caveat is that circumstances sometimes, even oftentimes, do not allow for an ideal entry into war. In my opinion, the single biggest strategic error leading into this current war was actually Hamas's October 2023 operation - it was doomed to fail and cause far reaching ramifications. Iran's hand was forced by the events that followed.

With regards to your general strategy, I would go one step further. Even when strong, feign weakness. Keep feigning weakness until one's strength AND TACTICS are in fact overwhelming. Be as secretive as possible.

If this peace deal goes ahead, a thorough post-mortem on the belligerents' military and political performances would be of benefit, as all parties made substantial mistakes/miscalculations.

 

[Kyussis]

Obviously nothing.

Outside of the Regular Navy's conventional fleet(wich was never intended for war with U.S) they hit a lot of decoys and Civilians.

What concessions?

The Americans blocked Iran's energy exports (which were not before the conflict), and now they are going to allow iran to export again.

In the meanwhile, Iran is asking the Americans to pay for war damages. The Americans are not asking for any war damages.

Since when do winners pay for the loser's war damages?

 

[VCheng]

You're suggesting a pragmatic approach, which is of course perfectly sensible and even ideal. The only caveat is that circumstances sometimes, even oftentimes, do not allow for an ideal entry into war. In my opinion, the single biggest strategic error leading into this current war was actually Hamas's October 2023 operation - it was doomed to fail and cause far reaching ramifications. Iran's hand was forced by the events that followed.

With regards to your general strategy, I would go one step further. Even when strong, feign weakness. Keep feigning weakness until one's strength AND TACTICS are in fact overwhelming. Be as secretive as possible.

If this peace deal goes ahead, a thorough post-mortem on the belligerents' military and political performances would be of benefit, as all parties made substantial mistakes/miscalculations.

With religiously motivated roots, even idealistic policies may work, until one runs into an enemy who remains utterly calm and rational, just waiting for the right time to strike.

Wishing for the ultimate glory of martyrdom is great, but it does not win the war when the enemy is only too happy to help you achieve that wish as quickly as possible.

 

[Master Chief]

With religiously motivated roots, even idealistic policies may work, until one runs into an enemy who remains utterly calm and rational, just waiting for the right time to strike.

Wishing for the ultimate glory of martyrdom is great, but it does not win the war when the enemy is only too happy to help you achieve that wish as quickly as possible.

One of the best from George S Patton:

"No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country"

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

The goal was just to bomb Iran as much as possible.

When is the new Ayatollah going to come out of his hiding to celebrate the Great Victory?

Taking security precautionary steps doesn't mean he is in hiding. He is just not going to be complacent in his security and that of his close associates.

But then the question is when will Satanyahu come out of his bunker?

 

[VCheng]

One of the best from George S Patton:

"No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country"

It is one of my favorite quotes that I have posted on PDF many times. Many still do not get it, perhaps intentionally. Oh well.

It applies 100% to this thread as well.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The question now is what will do Israel to blow up the deal.

Attack lebanon was not enough last time.

Assasinate the Iranian delegation heading to Geneva to sign the deal ?

 

[IceCold]

Till next time.......When I throw you under the bus once again.

 

[Meengla]

The way I see it. Iran intention from the begining to enrich uranium a step below weapons grade was never to make bomb but to show capability and use it to get rid of sanctions.

Right. Kind of like climbing to a dive board at a swimming pool, strutting up there, letting everyone know jump is an option.

Also, I don't know why there is so much suspense about the MOU terms. What we will see will be in a diplomatic, vague language to give a sense of victory to both sides. However, the intent and the hidden content is for all to see by the anger among the Israelis and the Israel firsters in America.

 

[Watandar]

I've explained this repeatedly. It's the basic concept of keeping your head low and building, as much as you can for as long as you can or as long as you need. How is this concept difficult for anyone to grasp? I can't be expected to repeat this answer again.

The problem is American policy of coups and autocracies, which disturbs the political and social evolution of Mideast nations and keeps them devoted to serving American interests instead of their own. It makes it is impossible to "keep your head down and build" unless you throw off the American yoke itself.

When you give the bastard enough of what it wants then it will leave you alone-er. If not as much as Turkey then at least as much as Pakistan.

Why would they leave you alone if you keep giving it what it wants ? Isn't it more natural to expect the demands to simply keep increasing ?

Witness the Mideast countries who have given America endless cheap energy, bought endless amount of its weapons, endless amount of its goods, endlessly kiss its rear and even sacrifices its children in American proxy wars, yet do you feel the US is satisfied and will now leave the region alone ?

Again, I've mentioned this very basic understanding before and will not repeat it again after this. Not poking does not ensure being left alone but gives you a chance at it. Poking ensures you have no chance.

"Not poking" is an option that exists only in your imagination. In the real world the below partial list illustrates the wars that the US has subjected the region to since WW2 :

1. Iran 2025
2. Iran 2024
3. Afghanistan 1980's to present
4. Pakistan 1980 to 1990, 2001 to 2021
5. Israel-Palestine 1948 to present
6. Iraq 1992 to present
7. Iran-Iraq war 1980 to 1988
8. Lebanon 1970s to present
9. Syria 2010 to 2024
10. Yemen 1990s to present.
11. Arab-Israel war 1967
12. Arab-Israel war 1973

Why did the US do it ? Because of oil, because of its war lobby, because of Israel, because of its policy of domination. It nothing to do with "poking the bear".

 

[KingQamaR]

UAE humiliation in front of media



see what Trump says in the end - LOL

0:15





What's wrong with UAE MBZ - seems like feeling down or something

This is what losing a war looks like.

 

[IceCold]

What's wrong with UAE MBZ - seems like feeling down or something

Since all pussies, trans, travestis left UAE, no wonder he is feeling down.