Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

krash said:
However, my argument for Iran is for before and after this fight. Iran, like every other country, has to fight once it has begun. But when it ends, I hope they can see what they need to do and get on with it so that this cannot be repeated again. IMO, their leadership realized this years before, hence the agreement with Obama.
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Something tells me that you didn't read the links that I shared. The new middle east was proposed in that document which included Mileikowsky. All the subsequent wars and destabilization even the vaunted Abraham Accords! By proposing "peace for peace" later coined a book under the same name by another author.
"You didn't go looking for trouble, it was looking for you!"

The motive is same... destabilize mideast and become the regional hegemon. This war had been coming for ages... yet on this very thread there are those who're alluding to the great offense taken by people who couldn't bear to hear the chant in Iranian streets of "Marg bar Amrika"... mind you most Americans would have trouble locating Iran on the map less translating their chants in rallies of defiance.
 
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mangekyo said:
Nobody can enforce the US to honor its side of the deal, and Iran certainly isn’t going to restart attacking US bases because of sanctions. Looks like we’re back to square one but with a new leadership in Iran. What do you guys think?
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It will be a fragile “deal” and could collapse anytime.
We have to wait and see. All this money flow to iran, we’ll see if it changes geopolitics of iran…..

But i would expect wars to happen anyway, specially in mideast due to israel wanting to expand its territory.

The evil zionists are not going to stop their nefarious plans against the muslim countries, lebanon, Palestine etc…..the Muslims need to prepare for next battles
 
mangekyo said:
Nobody can enforce the US to honor its side of the deal, and Iran certainly isn’t going to restart attacking US bases because of sanctions. Looks like we’re back to square one but with a new leadership in Iran. What do you guys think?
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It means... don't sit on your hands after the buzzer rings. It means improve your leverage... it means do not cave into pressure to do your end of the bargain faster than the reciprocal benefit. It means go out and start making concrete new bilateral deals within the region to entrench yourself with mutual dependence. It means that the future costs to drop the deal are higher than what they were before...
 
tsunset said:
There will probably be arms deal and cooperation between US and Iran if the final deal is signed

F-16 F-15 and cooperation for warships

People laugh at this but with Trump everything is possible
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Why would you want your enemy who is known for installing trojan horse kill switches to Arm you? Do you wanna lose the next war?
Yousafzai_M said:
Soviet Union's ICBMs were civilisation enders too. Didn't help much in the end.
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The only difference is that the Russians are sane moral people unlike Zionist Evangelical "Christians"!
 
mangekyo said:
Nobody can enforce the US to honor its side of the deal, and Iran certainly isn’t going to restart attacking US bases because of sanctions. Looks like we’re back to square one but with a new leadership in Iran. What do you guys think?
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In international confrontation and competition, there are no rules; it's a naked jungle law. So-called agreements are merely a halftime break. Everyone makes slight adjustments and then continues!

For Iran, the truly meaningful thing is how to use this brief respite to adjust itself. Facts have already proven that Khamenei is indeed an outstanding leader. What kind of policy adjustments can be made in the post-Khamenei era? That remains a question. ------ But how much time can the outside world give Iran?
 
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Goenitz said:
I genuinely believe that Qatar is the main architect of the deal, as it was in the 2015 deal. The draft is a little updated.
Though Pak didn't break a deal, it helped establish the first ceasefire and act as a messenger. Still, not a small feat.
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The issue is why Qatar hosting US navy 5th fleet and other assets and allowing it's territory to be used to attack Iran. Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, Jordan, even SaudiArabia, they all allowed their territory to be used against Iran, while Pakistan did not. That makes our role as peace mediators much more acceptable then any of these countries.
The thing I didn't understand or liked was on Iran's desire to sign the accord in Geneva then Islamabad.
 
ShapurII said:
The whole purpose of overthrowing Assad in Syria with the help of Turkey and Russia was to cut our supply lines to Hezbollah and the so-called Axis of Resistance. I like your optimism though.
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You cannot deny that Hizbollah is getting more and much more advanced FPV drones, they started with small Chinese radio FPV and they using right now long range wire guided ones and in last two weeks, even with IR cameras. So anyone is giving them a lot of stuff.

So if overthrowing Assad was to cutting supply lines, someone must resign.
 
Yousafzai_M said:
Soviet Union's ICBMs were civilisation enders too. Didn't help much in the end.
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Only poor/ lower caste people believe nowadays that nukes are the ultimate answer to mankind's political dramay/ third world idiocy/ shit-hole existence and whatnot.

Reality is that using nukes (today).......means suicide.
 
mangekyo said:
Nobody can enforce the US to honor its side of the deal, and Iran certainly isn’t going to restart attacking US bases because of sanctions. Looks like we’re back to square one but with a new leadership in Iran. What do you guys think?
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You should be more optimistic.
During this 60 days Irán will assemble a lot of missiles, replace part of destroyed Air defenses and collect a huge amount of cash. And with cash the rest will come. Air force should be second after re-stocking the missile inventory.
Anyway it is easier to replace 10 missiles than a long range fix radar in Qatar or Emirates or Kuwait.
 
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