Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

BananaRepublic said:
Means Vance knows which way the wind is blowing.

There’s no way he can win the Republican nomination as an Israel first-er
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With this MoU, he's actually improved his chances of becoming a president with the MAGA base and with independents. Supporting "Israel" blindly is no longer an option in either of the parties.
 
Hassan Al-Somal said:
With this MoU, he's actually improved his chances of becoming a president with the MAGA base and with independents. Supporting "Israel" blindly is no longer an option in either of the parties.
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Right! Vance is sniffing a chance here and more power to him!!

Also Pakistan's journalist Anas Malik about the Friday agreement signing in Geneva:
- Geneva chosen for logistical reasons.
- Qatar's role is limited to the exchange of $ between Iran and America/Arabs
- Afternoon signing of the accord on Greenwich mean time
- After signing, 60 days negotiations on hybrid basis with some onsite, some virtual

English captions available.
 
Lulldapull said:
Only poor/ lower caste people believe nowadays that nukes are the ultimate answer to mankind's political dramay/ third world idiocy/ shit-hole existence and whatnot.

Reality is that using nukes (today).......means suicide.
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Suicide for both sides, that's deterrence.

Kim jong is alive. With nukes

Maduro is jailed in USA. Without nukes.

Khamenei is dead. Without nukes.
 
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Since bloomberg sits behind a paywall - best to copy the main points here..

Read the 14-Point Draft Memorandum Between the US and Iran​


By Jonathan Tirone, Daniel Flatley, and Josh Wingrove
June 16, 2026 at 11:09 PM GMT+1

Takeaways by Bloomberg AI
  • The US and Iran are expected to sign a memorandum of understanding, paving the way for 60 days of talks aimed at ending their war and putting new limits on Iran’s nuclear program.
  • The memorandum of understanding declares an immediate and permanent end to the war and includes provisions for the US to lift its naval blockade and withdraw its forces from surrounding areas.
  • The agreement also includes commitments from the US to end sanctions against Iran, provide financing for Iran's economic development, and establish a plan for the rehabilitation of Iran's economy.

The US and Iran are expected to formally sign a memorandum of understanding on June 19 in Switzerland, paving the way for 60 days of talks aimed at ending their war for good and putting strict new limits on Iran’s nuclear program.

Below is the text of the 14-point draft memorandum, as seen by Bloomberg News.

  1. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States, together with their allies in the current war, declare upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding an immediate and permanent end to the war on all fronts, including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they will not launch any hostile action against each other, and will refrain from the threat or use of force against each other. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article and the remaining Articles.
  2. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to respect each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to refrain from interfering in each other’s internal affairs.
  3. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to negotiate and reach a final agreement within a maximum period of 60 days, extendable by mutual consent.
  4. Immediately upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States Lift the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and restore traffic within a maximum of 30 days to its full capacity; the traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre-war volume of traffic on the part of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement.
  5. Upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, the Islamic Republic of Iran will immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant ships from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa is resumed within 30 days to the pre-war volume, taking into account the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralization of mines by Iran.
  6. The United States undertakes, together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran, While ensuring financing of at least $300 billion. The implementation mechanism of this plan, as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 60 days.
  7. The United States commits to ending, on a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the final agreement, all types of sanctions currently facing the Islamic Republic of Iran, including resolutions of the United Nations Security Council and the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, both primary and secondary.
  8. The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran’s nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement; the final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article.
  9. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the United States will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region.
  10. The United States undertakes that immediately after the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and until the date of the lifting of sanctions, the United States Treasury Department will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crude oil, petrochemical products and their derivatives, and all related services, including banking, insurance, transportation, and the like.
  11. The United States undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available. These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use. The United States undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis.
  12. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that an implementation mechanism will be established to oversee the successful implementation of and future commitment to the Final Agreement.
  13. Following the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and upon receipt of assurances regarding the commencement of implementation of Articles 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this Memorandum of Understanding, and the continued implementation of these steps, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States will enter into negotiations for a Final Agreement solely with respect to the remaining Articles.
  14. The final agreement will be approved through a binding resolution of the UN Security Council.


>> We of course don't know how close this is the final version but the wording is very precise and functional so it looks more authentic than others. If true, the lifting of all financial sanctions and reintegration with the global banking systems, alongside oil sales is extremely significant win for Iran!

You should expect Iran to take off economically from this point onwards and it may become the economic power of the middle east again alongside Türkiye.
 
BHAN85 said:
Suicide for both sides, that's deterrence.

Kim jong is alive. With nukes

Maduro is jailed in USA. Without nukes.

Khamenei is dead. Without nukes.
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Do you honestly believe the DPRK can fight off an attack like the one these Zios mounted on Iran? or are you in a joking mood today?
 
PakistanLVR said:
It’s the ultimate guarantor that a nation doesn’t get bombed and invaded.

Ukraine, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Yemen, Lybia, and Iran did not have nukes and were attacked/occupied/dismembered.

Then you have Israel, North Korea, and Pakistan. Iran pulled its punches on Israel initially because of the nuclear umbrella. Even Egypt and Syria did the same in the 1973 war.
Pakistan’s NASR tactical nuke doctrine made India’s cold start doctrine obsolete overnight (and this was based off U.S. doctrine against a massive Soviet force during the Cold War in Germany).
North Korea is sitting pretty where virtually South Korea, Japan, and the U.S. just pretend it doesn’t exist.

You’re too hyped up with whatever Iran just accomplished to disregard such a powerful weapon that the U.S. has tried multiple ways to get Iran to give up its enrichment. If it wasn’t an ultimate insurance policy then why did the US literally gone to war to make sure hostile countries never achieve this threshold.
No one would’ve think twice about attacking Iran had Iran achieved a successful nuke program. Just a silly thing to discount such a powerful weapons that provides so much upside.



Typical Indian mentality - greatly underestimates everyone else and overestimate itself.
Pakistans nukes aren’t for display only. They won’t be used the first day as its conventional capabilities are there to wage an intense war. It’s military operational ready with Chinese supply chain at its disposal. In case of impending defeat, those nukes will be used (hopefully on areas with majority Hindu majority across India). We are headed. Continue with your bob n vagene thinking that the Pakistan didn’t use its nukes on day 1 on last years conflict as some form of silver bullet Rajesh found against Pakistans very potent nuclear doctrine. It will be the biggest FAFO moment in the worlds history.
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Russia gets attacked daily bro.

More than 100k Russians are dead and half a million injured and Russian economy's taken a $2 trillion hit so far. 4 years and counting Russia can't win no?

Iran however won it in 40 days.

That DPRK has no military. It'll get punk'd in under 2 minutes if these Zio's decide to go after it, like they recently tried doing to Iran.
 


...(continue)... Israel's contribution? Minimal, then almost nothing. They left the US to fight alone and used the war to distract from people noticing that they were illegally taking more of Lebanon's land.

Israel now occupies 770 square miles of Lebanon. Nearly one-fifth of the country. And they have announced they're not giving it back.

They wanted the war with Iran. They didn't fight it. They used it as a cover to invade Lebanon. And now they're angry the war with Iran is ending.

What do you think about that?
 
VCheng said:
LOL. Let us wait to see the terms of the deal first.
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Why whatever happened to ‘only total surrender’ and taking Iran’s oil? Now reduced to slating demonic Israeli pals and ‘wait to see terms’ eh lol. How the mighty fall.
 
Lulldapull said:
Russia gets attacked daily bro.

More than 100k Russians are dead and half a million injured and Russian economy's taken a $2 trillion hit so far. 4 years and counting Russia can't win no?

Iran however won it in 40 days.

That DPRK has no military. It'll get punk'd in under 2 minutes if these Zio's decide to go after it, like they recently tried doing to Iran.
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Agreed Iran has demonstrated insane capabilities

I always knocked them for not building an Air Force

Now everyone knows why
 
RocketLaw said:
Israel's contribution? Minimal,
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I heard and read that between a third and half the air to ground campaign was made by israeli fighters. Not to speak of the lebanon one.
Is it minimal ?
 
Lulldapull said:
Do you honestly believe the DPRK can fight off an attack like the one these Zios mounted on Iran? or are you in a joking mood today?
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I believe in facts.

Facts are Kim Jong is alive, Khamenei dead, and Maduro jailed.

War in North Korea was near in 2017.

They developed hydrogen bomb and finally USA surrendered.

Joking mood is talk about nukes like something without importance in a defense forum.

Nukes explains the structure of world power last 80 years.
 
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