Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[TAC]

It is only prudent to wait to see the terms first before suffering from premature celebration from any side. and I have maintained that from the beginning.

The Orange Clowns' bluster is immaterial.

(The real demons hide in the details, always.)

Yeah but we already know those terms don’t include Iran’s ‘total surrender’ and US taking Iran’s oil.
The US seems oddly reluctant to reveal the details of its ‘great victory’. Not like Orange idiot to be so shy.

 

[VCheng]

we already know those terms

No, we do not.

First the MoU. Then the final agreement in 60 days or more. These are just the first steps, and even here the terms are not known yet.

 

[mangekyo]

And what exactly are the American options after, say, 2 months or 4 months or one year? Bring an armada of vessels to attack Iran again? Build up the forces in the US bases near Iran, build up those bases and radars, only to be in short range of the Iranian missiles? Even if Iran maintains its current depleted stockpiles of missiles and drones, in future they would be still enough to give back a lethal blow.

It is over, guys, it is over as far as a direct American involvement in a war on Iran. Per my understanding, it was already over when a ceasefire was announced in April this year.

Im guessing we will return to the pre-war status quo. Sanctions will remain. I don’t see them lifting them. Maybe some sanctions, but not the most important ones.

 

[TAC]

No, we do not.

First the MoU. Then the final agreement in 60 days or more. These are just the first steps, and even here the terms are not known yet.

Suggest you read / quote / reply to the whole sentence not just the first few words of the sentence.
US just got handed worldwide humiliation. Hiding behind waiting for terms isn’t about to change that.

 

[VCheng]

US just got handed worldwide humiliation. Hiding behind waiting for terms isn’t about to change that.

LOL. That cannot be determined until the final outcomes are established. And that is the correct way to look at it rather than rush to declare premature victory.

 

[Abdul q]

I don't think he really means it. He wants to create leverage ahead of talks with the US:
"If you don't give us what we want, we will turn to China!"

I hope they don’t give chabahar to their beloved phrand india before closing up to China

 

[Meengla]

"Israeli" supporters are up in arms, opposing the US - Iranian agreement.

Is this the good old David Frum, one of the prominent Israel Firster/ Neo Con.
No doubt they are in a meltdown.

 

[TAC]

LOL. That cannot be determined until the final outcomes are established. And that is the correct way to look at it rather than rush to declare premature victory.

LOL. Whatever helps you cope.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

"Israeli" supporters are up in arms, opposing the US - Iranian agreement.

To your point, here in the US, it's mid term season. The usual suspects on both sides of the aisle in Congress are raising their "concerns".

Kind of makes you wonder who is really owned by Israel. The President? Or the ones who control the purse strings?

 

[Meengla]

Im guessing we will return to the pre-war status quo. Sanctions will remain. I don’t see them lifting them. Maybe some sanctions, but not the most important ones.

Even if--and a big if-- things may appear to go back to the pre war status quo, some things will have changed drastically:
- Iran's defacto control over the Strait of Hormuz and thus the leverage
- new regional alignments
- end of decades old Israeli impunity to bomb Lebanon

And those are the bare minimum gains for Iran and consider them as the worst case scenario for Iran.

 

[VCheng]

LOL. Whatever helps you cope.

I am merely patient, since only fools rush in to judge. I do not see any reason to declare victory for any side as of yet. When the time comes, it will be approriate, but not before.

Whichever side it may be, the results will show.

But hey, if you wish to declare premature celebration, then I have no reason to contest it. Please go right ahead.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I am merely patient, since only fools rush in to judge. I do not see any reason to declare victory for any side as of yet. When the time comes, it will be approriate, but not before.

Whichever side it may be, the results will show.

But hey, if you wish to declare premature celebration, then I have no reason to contest it. Please go right ahead.

Premature ejaculations, err....celebrations, seem to be a thing with some of the folks here.

 

[VCheng]

Premature ejaculations, err....celebrations, seem to be a thing with some of the folks here.

There are medications available for that too, but hey, it is a choice that anyone can make. I am fine with my own choices, and that is about all I can say.

Regarding the war, the thing that I am most happy for thus far is that the death and destruction will stop. The next thing most important to me is that the economic toll the world over will begin to ease, especially for disadvantaged people who have the least capacity to bear such shocks.

The geopolitical results of who came out ahead, and who got the most while giving away the least will take some time to determine.

And there ain't no rushing that at all.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Even if--and a big if-- things may appear to go back to the pre war status quo, some things will have changed drastically:
- Iran's defacto control over the Strait of Hormuz and thus the leverage
- new regional alignments
- end of decades old Israeli impunity to bomb Lebanon

And those are the bare minimum gains for Iran and consider them as the worst case scenario for Iran.

Also, Iran’s relationship with its neighbours will change drastically.

Closer trade and defence cooperation with Pakistan.

And more assertive approach towards the PGCC poodles.

And can the Bangladeshi PM get off his backside and talk to Iran. Bangladesh has a thriving home appliance sector - Iranians are in need of basic luxuries.

Iran has loads of engineers and doctors - BD could do with some help.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Iranians are waiting to sign the agreement with America and then...

The Iranians will wait on the Americans to give them an opportunity to stop Israel before they do anything after the signing. The act of getting Israel to stop and pull out of Lebanon is the same as putting an end to a part of the Greater Israel project, so I am expecting some fireworks.