Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Master Chief said:
A good assessment. Genuinely seems this way.

I do think that Trump has actually been scammed here. Iran has made him believe that JCPOA was somehow better for Iran, when in truth, the CURRENT DEAL is better for Iran.

Iran is the clear financial victor in this war.

Add in the entire global paradigm shift regarding Israel and some sort of ongoing leverage over Hormuz and Iran has a bright few decades lined up. Its influence will only grow from here on. Pahlavist banshees will be screaming through their botox for a while.

All of this does of course assume the documents will be signed and that Israel won't play saboteur. I have to agree with a certain perennial sceptic of ours on that!
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Iran has stated they hired psychiatrists to understand Trump’s mental state.

They figured flattery and denigration of his opponents is the way to manipulate him.

Making JCPOA seem like a better deal was central to this.
 
PakistanLVR said:
With all due respect to you, your assertions about everything are flat out wrong. Very wrong.
The Ukrainians sources have stated that the NK have fought aggressively and not surrender unlike the average Russian conscript.

You think Pakistans nukes are non-existing or non-working but they have routinely saved the country from being balkanized.

You think nukes are no longer effective weapons, but the U.S. is rushing towards creating the golden dome because they fear a MAD situation in the future involving nuke warheads.

do you honestly think the U.S. or Israel would’ve dared attack like that had Iran had nuclear weapons? Additionally why did the U.S. take a softer approach vs Pakistan when Afghanistan became a proxy war.

You’re equating Indians launching air strikes on madrassas and then within hour calling for a ceasefire because they fully understand the escalation ladder that Pakistan had in its back pocket.

I get the cheerleading for what Iran has accomplished but not a single Iranian or Pakistani here thinks that not having nuclear weapons is a smart policy.
Even a few weeks back Iran in a phone conversation with Pakistan implied about testing a nuke which forced Trump to quickly understand the grave situation, but you think nukes no longer matters lol. You’re crazy af.
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Oh bhai facts are that Irans easily humbled both the US n Israel without needing nukes, in only 40 days.

India/ Pak fought a big war, probably the sharpest engagement since 1971 and nukes were not even a factor.

Busted ass Afghani charsi beat the US military. Took em 20 years, but they prevailed without even proper nutrition, let alone nukes.

And here we got Russia which gets attacked by pretty much everyone in NATO almost daily. And Russia is a huge nuke power.

Fat kim is harmless and he understands his situation, that's why he doesn't do anything. And we know his weapons suck, from reports of their poor performance in Ukraine.

In all these cases nukes are essentially worthless.
 
Lulldapull said:
I believe its evident that nukes have well n truly run their course and are now relegated to the status of legacy weapons.

Nobody is deterred anymore from retaliating even if one party possesses them.

Pretty obvious that the way India attacked us during Sindoor op.......they completely disregarded our nuke arsenal and went ahead with a massive attack. Our nuke deterrence does not exist and the same goes for India.

Nukes have failed to prevent conflict.
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you're right that the nukes fail to prevent someone from attacking you conventionally, but it also has a fear factor for the attacker, that if the one being attacked has RED LINES crossed, then it would spiral into a nukes war.

So between India-Pakistan, say we have 10 days fuel, and india has 15 days supply. When we run out early at 10, guess what, its nukes then. Last resort but its a MAD type situation then
Russia can turn europe into dust if it so wants, its trying to avoid it. But it may just have its hand forced.
Do u think fat kim cares? the moment he senses anyone attacking his land, he will fire those big boys and that would be it.

If Pakistan did not have nukes, we would've been attacked by many countries by now. So having them is keeping many at bay. Thanks to Dr AQ Khan and his team.
 
ShapurII said:
If this is true, then no money for Iran. So, Trump was right that the US was not going to pay anything to Iran upfront.
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$8 billion+ in oil sales in two months through sanctions relief (Iran did not get full sanctions relief for oil and petrochemical exports prior to the war)

some assets will be unfrozen too. the MOU is vague on it, but as Trump said, the understandings they have beyond the MOU are more important, and I am sure one of those understandings relates to frozen assets. Trump even said today that it's Iran's money, so of course they have to give it back.
 
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