Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Eşbah said:
A covert surrender of IRI. Turns out that all of Vance' statements were correct. Iran is giving up her highly enriched uranium and every step of the Iranian nuclear program is getting under the supervision of IAEA.

The situation in Israel has politically imploded because they were unable to achieve all their objectives from this conflict [no missiles, civil war, no nuclear, more sanctions]. It is important that we do not allow our feelings to cloud our judgment. I do not perceive this as a victory for Iran, even if the sanctions were to be lifted, which I believe is unlikely, but that is merely my perspective. Many overlook the upcoming two months of negotiations. If this MoU represents the least that both parties have agreed to, then what lies ahead will likely impose even greater restrictions on Iran's nuclear program.

In my opinion, the United States has emerged as the winner. Iran will be permitted to continue its ballistic program along with some degree of sanctions relief, but it will essentially abandon its nuclear program.

What are you guys celebrating here? The Iranians lost the war if this is the outcome.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm open to change my opinion.
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Iran never needed the HEU..it was arm twisting from them for the JCPOA. They raised the alarm but not enough to make it look like they were on the cusp of becoming a nuclear power and inviting a war as a result. It is besides the point that war came nonetheless and Iran clearly blamed IAEA Rafael Mariano Grossi for providing sensitive information to the US and Israel that formulated their war of choice.

The rest of the comment is answered at the very end because it is a common answer to other suggesting the same that Iran has lost.


RedRock said:
I dont understand how people can be happy so soon. Sort of premature.

Iran will be losing its nuclear material. If it refuses to let go of it, the bombing will resume. If it does not give it up then Iran has definetly won!

Also, Lebanon is a goner. Israel will not retreat. If it does, then it will definetly be a win, no question about it.

Will the funds for reconstruction be released to Iran. Trump will not send a dime, probably he will ask the Arabs instead. If Iran gets it, then yes, it's a win on that front.

Sanction removal is by far the best outcome if it's implemented. Irans development was being held back just because of that. They are a tenacious bunch of people, highly educated and with removal of sanctions they will easily overtake every country in the region, economically and militarily.

But, Netanyahu's minions have already started threatening the paedophile regime in US with releasing more files. Will it cause Trump to back track or is Netanyahu doing it so that they are given a free hand in lebanon. Time will tell.

Iran should realise that they should not risk their country because of lebanon. I feel they should wait till they have a strong air defence and air force before attacking Israel again if Israel does not stop attacking lebanon or does not return the land. They should go into over drive to have everything within 3 to 6 months and then go ballistic on Israel. But until then just rearm and regroup. Send thousands of FPV drones and hundreds of missiles to Hezbollah and Yemen and then attack Israel if they continue their madness in lebanon or gaza.

But for now stick to the deal regardless of what Israel does in lebanon and at the same time keep threatening to walk away from the deal if Israel does not stop and return the land. So basically rearm themselves, Hezbollah and yemen till they are ready for another round and capable of blocking hormuz and the other side as well.

Edit: Iran should purchase from turkey, China or even pakistan and build stuff themselves. Forget Russia completely
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Iran has come out on top. It clearly demonstrated its willingness to pursue war with Israel with the launches of ballistic missiles at them. The US begged Iran not to go for a second round. I dont think you realise how badly Hezbollah is harassing the IDF independently. Sure they are taking it on the chin but they are also shoving those FPV up Israeli arses.

Israel has clearly overreached...they can not sustain these occupations because they just dont have the numbers to do it. The reserves called up have drained essential and critical manpower for the industries and the economy they need to run. It is not sustainable. They are simply looking for a win which no longer exists.

Iran tying Lebanon to the peace deal also guarantees that it can continue to maintain these proxy forces and implicitly gains US acceptance in the MoU. That is why it is a big deal contrary to what you suggest.

krash said:
I don't exactly see it as a defeat for the US either, a debacle yes but just another day in a hegemon's life. It will just walk away with losses it can recoup and still rule the world for its own benefit. The US was there because of the Israeli collar, seems to have shifted a little...Netanyahu should be worried. Nadan dost se dana dushman behtar hai. He isn't fluent in Urdu.
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This is a historic defeat and a major one. Yes, militarily the losses are not too high and are replaceable. However, the damage to its prestige will be enduring. Tell me that countries stronger than Iran will not look at US in the eye and challenge them moving forward. Iran has demonstrated 21st war against 20th century superpower. There is no coming back from this. US strategy for the middle east is in tatters. The very fact the $300B clause exists means that GCC and other countries have accepted that US bases was the wrong strategy to contain Iran and did nothing. However, if the Iranian development is tightly tied with regional investment then makes it much harder for Iran to go on the offensive against regional players as its economy would be tightly integrated. This can not happen unless sanctions are lifted and that is why these two clauses are supplementary to each other...it makes sense. We are witnessing the decades of policies of containing Iran collapsing on itself and with that the plan for Greater Israel.

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Trump claims USA would have collapsed if he not ended the War with Iran "As they would have run out of Oil"

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Yes, there is a reason why there is desparation to open the SoH. If this deal did not happen, the world was fast approaching the end of the strategic reserves cushion. Had that been depleted, you and I would have been living in a very different world and not here on this forum because we would be asking how do we get by day to day.

ShapurII said:
Too early to celebrate anything, I think the US is playing a dirty game with our negotiators.

The US will not uphold its end of the bargain. Remember this.
This MoU is just an excuse for the US to do something about international oil reserves and their air defense.

However, if the final deal ever happens and all sanctions on Iran, including UNSC sanctions, primary & secondary US sanctions and EU sanctions are lifted indefinitely, then it is absolutely an undeniable victory for Iran.
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Unlikely, the absolute admission on Trump's part is that they on the verge of a global economic disaster because of SoH closure is absolutely eye opening. The US fought hard to wiggle out of it but Iran stood firm and the US was absolutely helpless. This MoU was the only way to get that open.


So to all of you, the real weapon of this war was absolutely the SoH. Iran held the world by its balls and was squeezing them hard and everyone felt it. It was Pakistan that helped and convinced Iran to loosen its grip.

What I have picked up from this MoU that this is done and the pre-requisite is to open the SoH and lifting of the US blockade. This is the most damaging element of the entire war and will remain so. Iran now knows how to control these discussions. If the US or Israel become sneaky on their part, Iran can close the SoH at will. US coming back to bomb Iran is not as simple as it seems....it is very taxing to move that much military hardware and to keep it operational...it is an excessive drain in term of economic cost.

Once the blockade is lifted and the SoH open....no one would want to come back to this position. This also means that Iran will fire at Israel and the US is not going to defend it.

Trump, for better or worse, has realised this was a mistake. We all poke fun at him but at least his senile mind finally understood the gravity of the situation. He is a businessman and he took the best deal on the table and cut his losses and he is out. He is not a stateman who is going to still stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel. The opportunity is lost and has no more dividends to give. I would not be surprised if the US opens up its embassy in Tehran at the conclusion of these deals and integrate itself with the Iranian economy which is going to be many folds larger than Israel with a much larger and hungrier population presenting a massive market and it would prove to be more enticing if the sanctions are lifted properly.

The immediate winner here is Iran, the winner down the track could be the US, the heroes on the sides are GCC, Pakistan, Egypt, and Turkey, and the absolute loser is Israel.

One thing that should stand out from all of this.....it is by the will of Allah we are witnessing this. Iran was the only country that stood tall in front of tyranny and opression and war was thrust upon it. Yet, here we are....for all to witness. Allah has given Iran an unbelievable victory.
 
BananaRepublic said:
If Pakistan didn’t have nukes - India would threaten to nuke 24/7.
Their rabid dog saffrons would also demand tactical nukes if India ever got into a hole fighting a conventional war.
Nukes puts a ceiling on how far conventional wars can escalate.
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I didn't want to jump into the nukes or no nukes debate but kind of relevant here: So in early May 1998, India tested its nukes and declared itself a nuclear power. Right after that, the Indian Defense Minister George Fernandes said something like 'China is India's greatest strategic threat'. And then the Indian officials also said things like 'Pakistan should be aware of the changed strategic situation in the region when Pakistan thinks about Kashmir'. That was obviously a nuclear blackmail to Pakistan, which was till that time not a declared nuclear state. Pakistan also tested its own nukes the end of May 1998. The rest is history, as they say. The internet was not as fast those days but I still remember those days from online sites.
And the bolded part is right on!
 
Meengla said:
I didn't want to jump into the nukes or no nukes debate but kind of relevant here: So in early May 1998, India tested its nukes and declared itself a nuclear power. Right after that, the Indian Defense Minister George Fernandes said something like 'China is India's greatest strategic threat'. And then the Indian officials also said things like 'Pakistan should be aware of the changed strategic situation in the region when Pakistan thinks about Kashmir'. That was obviously a nuclear blackmail to Pakistan, which was till that time not a declared nuclear state. Pakistan also tested its own nukes the end of May 1998. The rest is history, as they say. The internet was not as fast those days but I still remember those days from online sites.
And the bolded part is right on!
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Nukes puts a ceiling on how far conventional wars can escalate.

I actually agree on that part world would be a better place if nuclear weapons weren’t around and pretty scary when you have two countries who would be more than willing to use nuclear weapons without even batting an eye namely Israel and North Korea if they believed they couldn’t win a conventional war
 
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p200 said:
They are not turning on Trump. They are Zionist organizations that consistently support Iran. It seems Trump is not doing what Israel wants.
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So they are turning on Trump be they a mouthpiece of Israel or not(which they are that’s true)just before this MOU they were only speaking of how great Trump is etc now after the MOU they are attacking Trump by putting critics of this agreement front and center while before it was quick line and calling those people who say anything negative of Trump as traitors or socialists or whatever
 
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Stop saying UAE is a collaborator…………….totally true but you might offend the last few supporters they have on this board 🤦 seriously what did those accords get them again access to Israeli tech that most likely has multiple back doors to spy on UAE and push come to shove shutdown UAE with malware
 

Read the US account of unreleased 14-point Iran ceasefire memorandum​

US official gives clearest account yet of deal set to be signed by US and Iran Friday; Iran has not confirmed text.

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TEHRAN, IRAN - JUNE 15: A woman waves an Iranian flag on June 15, 2026 in Tehran, Iran. According to reports, the U.S. and Iran have signed a preliminary agreement to end the war and open the Strait of Hormuz. (Photo by Majid Saeedi/Getty Images)

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A senior United States official has read the text of a memorandum of understanding to end the US-Israel war with Iran during a call with reporters.

The account is the clearest yet from the administration of US President Donald Trump on the deal, which is scheduled to be signed in a ceremony by both sides on Friday.

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Neither the US nor Iran has released a physical copy of the agreement. Iranian officials have not confirmed the US version of the text.

The US official said the memorandum of understanding will halt fighting on all fronts in Lebanon, lift the US naval blockade, and open the Strait of Hormuz to maritime traffic.

The initial agreement, as told by the official, will kick off 60 days of negotiations on Iran’s nuclear programme, future administration of the Strait of Hormuz, the lifting of US sanctions, the unfreezing of Iranian assets and a $300bn US-backed reconstruction plan.

It will also see the US immediately grant sanctions waivers for Iran’s fossil fuel industry.

The official said the initial deal had already been signed electronically by the US and Iran, and that both sides remain free to walk away before the planned signing on Friday.

Here is the official’s verbatim account of the 14 points:

One:​

“The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war, by signing the MOU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon, and undertake from now on not to initiate any war or any military operation against each other and to refrain from the threat or use of force against each other and ensuring the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Lebanon. The final deal will confirm the permanent termination of the war on all fronts, including in Lebanon and other provisions of this paragraph.”

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Two: ​

“The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran undertake to respect each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity and to refrain from interfering in each other’s internal affairs.”

Three: ​

“The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran commit to negotiating and achieving the final deal in maximum 60 days extendable with mutual consent.”

Four: ​

“Immediately upon the signing of this MOU, the United States of America will begin the removal of its naval blockade and any disturbances or impediments against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and will fully end the naval blockade within 30 days. During this period, the traffic of vessels will be in proportion to the numbers of pre-war traffic being restored by the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States of America further undertakes to remove its forces from the proximity of the Islamic Republic of Iran within 30 days after the final deal.”

Five:​

“Upon the signing of this MOU, the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge for 60 days only from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa. The traffic of commercial vessels will immediately start, and considering the need for removing the technical and military obstacles and demining by the Islamic Republic of Iran will be instated within 30 days. The Islamic Republic of Iran will conduct dialogue with the Sultanate of Oman to define the future administration and maritime services and the Strait of Hormuz in discussion with other Persian Gulf rhetorical states in line with the applicable international law and the sovereign rights of coastal states of the Strait of Hormuz.”

Six:
“The United States of America undertakes with regional partners to develop a definitive, mutually agreed plan with at least USD 300 billion for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The mechanism for the implementation of this plan will be finalized as part of a final deal within 60 days. All required licenses, waivers, and permissions needed for the relevant financial transactions will be granted by the United States of America.”

Seven:​

“The United States of America undertakes to terminate all types of sanctions against the Islamic Republic of Iran, including the United Nations Security Council resolutions, i.e. IAEA Board of Governors resolutions, and all unilateral US sanctions, primary and secondary, in an agreed upon schedule as part of the final deal. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America acknowledge the critical importance of the sanctions determination issue above, mentioned and expressed their intentions to immediately address these issues in the negotiations in order to achieve mutual agreement on them.”

Eight:​

“The Islamic Republic of Iran reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran have agreed to resolve the disposition of stockpiled enriched material pursuant to a mechanism that will be mutually agreed upon in accordance with the schedule mentioned in paragraph seven, with the minimum methodology to be down blending on site under the supervision of the IAEA. The two parties also agreed to discuss the issue of enrichment and other mutually agreed matters related to the Islamic Republic of Iran’s nuclear needs, based on a satisfactory framework being agreed upon in the final deal. The final deal will confirm the provisions of the paragraph. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran acknowledge the critical importance of the nuclear issues above mentioned and express their attention to immediately address these issues in the negotiations in order to achieve mutual agreement on them.”

Nine:​

“Pending the final deal, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran agree to maintain the status quo. The Islamic Republic of Iran will maintain the current status quo of a nuclear program, and the United States of America will not impose any new sanctions and will not deploy additional forces in the region.”

Ten:​

“The United States of America undertakes that immediately upon the signing of the MOU and until the termination of sanctions, US Department of Treasury will issue waivers for the export of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products, and derivatives, and all associated services, including banking transactions, insurances, transportation, etc.”

Eleven: ​

“The United States of America undertakes to make fully available for use the frozen uncertain funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Upon the implementation of this MOU, the United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran will mutually agree on the procedures related to the release of these funds during negotiations. Such funds, whether retained in the original account or transferred, shall be made fully usable for payment to any ultimate beneficiary designed by the Central Bank, ultimate beneficiary designated by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States of America undertakes to issue all necessary licenses and authorizations accordingly.”



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Twelve:​

“The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran agree that an executive mechanism will be established to monitor the successful implementation of this MOU and the future compliance of the final deal.”

Thirteen: ​

“After signing this MOU, and subject to the beginning of the implementation of paragraphs 1, 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this MOU, and the continuing implementation of these measures, the United States of America and Islamic Republic of Iran will start negotiations regarding the final deal exclusively on the other paragraphs.”

Fourteen: ​

“The final deal will be endorsed by a binding UNSC resolution.”

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lamdacore said:
Iran never needed the HEU..it was arm twisting from them for the JCPOA. They raised the alarm but not enough to make it look like they were on the cusp of becoming a nuclear power and inviting a war as a result. It is besides the point that war came nonetheless and Iran clearly blamed IAEA Rafael Mariano Grossi for providing sensitive information to the US and Israel that formulated their war of choice.

The rest of the comment is answered at the very end because it is a common answer to other suggesting the same that Iran has lost.




Iran has come out on top. It clearly demonstrated its willingness to pursue war with Israel with the launches of ballistic missiles at them. The US begged Iran not to go for a second round. I dont think you realise how badly Hezbollah is harassing the IDF independently. Sure they are taking it on the chin but they are also shoving those FPV up Israeli arses.

Israel has clearly overreached...they can not sustain these occupations because they just dont have the numbers to do it. The reserves called up have drained essential and critical manpower for the industries and the economy they need to run. It is not sustainable. They are simply looking for a win which no longer exists.

Iran tying Lebanon to the peace deal also guarantees that it can continue to maintain these proxy forces and implicitly gains US acceptance in the MoU. That is why it is a big deal contrary to what you suggest.



This is a historic defeat and a major one. Yes, militarily the losses are not too high and are replaceable. However, the damage to its prestige will be enduring. Tell me that countries stronger than Iran will not look at US in the eye and challenge them moving forward. Iran has demonstrated 21st war against 20th century superpower. There is no coming back from this. US strategy for the middle east is in tatters. The very fact the $300B clause exists means that GCC and other countries have accepted that US bases was the wrong strategy to contain Iran and did nothing. However, if the Iranian development is tightly tied with regional investment then makes it much harder for Iran to go on the offensive against regional players as its economy would be tightly integrated. This can not happen unless sanctions are lifted and that is why these two clauses are supplementary to each other...it makes sense. We are witnessing the decades of policies of containing Iran collapsing on itself and with that the plan for Greater Israel.



Yes, there is a reason why there is desparation to open the SoH. If this deal did not happen, the world was fast approaching the end of the strategic reserves cushion. Had that been depleted, you and I would have been living in a very different world and not here on this forum because we would be asking how do we get by day to day.


Unlikely, the absolute admission on Trump's part is that they on the verge of a global economic disaster because of SoH closure is absolutely eye opening. The US fought hard to wiggle out of it but Iran stood firm and the US was absolutely helpless. This MoU was the only way to get that open.


So to all of you, the real weapon of this war was absolutely the SoH. Iran held the world by its balls and was squeezing them hard and everyone felt it. It was Pakistan that helped and convinced Iran to loosen its grip.

What I have picked up from this MoU that this is done and the pre-requisite is to open the SoH and lifting of the US blockade. This is the most damaging element of the entire war and will remain so. Iran now knows how to control these discussions. If the US or Israel become sneaky on their part, Iran can close the SoH at will. US coming back to bomb Iran is not as simple as it seems....it is very taxing to move that much military hardware and to keep it operational...it is an excessive drain in term of economic cost.

Once the blockade is lifted and the SoH open....no one would want to come back to this position. This also means that Iran will fire at Israel and the US is not going to defend it.

Trump, for better or worse, has realised this was a mistake. We all poke fun at him but at least his senile mind finally understood the gravity of the situation. He is a businessman and he took the best deal on the table and cut his losses and he is out. He is not a stateman who is going to still stand shoulder to shoulder with Israel. The opportunity is lost and has no more dividends to give. I would not be surprised if the US opens up its embassy in Tehran at the conclusion of these deals and integrate itself with the Iranian economy which is going to be many folds larger than Israel with a much larger and hungrier population presenting a massive market and it would prove to be more enticing if the sanctions are lifted properly.

The immediate winner here is Iran, the winner down the track could be the US, the heroes on the sides are GCC, Pakistan, Egypt, and Turkey, and the absolute loser is Israel.

One thing that should stand out from all of this.....it is by the will of Allah we are witnessing this. Iran was the only country that stood tall in front of tyranny and opression and war was thrust upon it. Yet, here we are....for all to witness. Allah has given Iran an unbelievable victory.
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Its an epic US defeat.......Nothing else. It really has unraveled the US position in the region.

Hard to believe the intel agency heads didn't warn trump to not do this?

How come?

Iranis are sharing belly laughs with chacha jhing phing and imam putin no? I bet money on dis!
 
Musings said:
Sir may i take this opportunity and ask you how many posts do you put up a day with the words “Lets us wait and see”?
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Because everyone keeps posting... no one waits... and sees...

Or, he just wants to keep up with the post count... where we all wait and see when he'll actually post something worthwhile.
 
Looks like Topgun inspired the Iranians more than the Americans.

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