Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

NY Times topmost story right now!! Note, I had posted a video of JD Vance in Megyn Kelly show two days ago where he went after the Israel Firsters and here he is again!!

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/06/18/world/iran-war-trump-us-deal/heres-the-latest?smid=url-share

Vice President JD Vance on Thursday delivered an extraordinarily direct rebuke to Israeli critics of the U.S.-Iran peace agreement, as he sought to defend the preliminary deal with repeated misrepresentations of some of its terms.

“Donald J. Trump is the only head of state in the entire world who is sympathetic to the nation of Israel at this moment in time,” Mr. Vance said. He added, “If I was in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not be attacking the only powerful ally that I have anywhere left in the entire world.”

The agreement has faced mounting criticism from Israeli lawmakers, as well as some Republicans in Washington, who argue that it gives Iran economic relief while punting negotiations on its nuclear program down the road.

 

[Yasser76]

Since @AZ_HighCountry has already written a comprehensive post about it, I'm not going to reiterate what he has said but even as of today, Pakistan does not have direct flights to New York City, let alone in the 70s.
Even as of today, PIA flies to 28 international destinations. I wonder how you flew to 40 international destinations in 1978. Also, Iran Air and Iran Airtour were different air lines. So, the fleet size of Iran Air (~30) was only for international flights, while Iran Airtour operated its own fleet for local tours inside Iran. Iran Air alone operated 30 something aircraft by the end of 70s. Even as of today, PIA operates 35 aircraft per Wikipedia. Apples and oranges.

What are you on about? Everyone knows PIA is a basket case as of today, you were specifically debating about how mega awesome Iran Air was in the 60s and 70s and I have proven it was nowhere near a top 20 airline, you compared it to Pan Am, now you are ranting on about a different airline and a different time period. I provided facts, you are providing nostalgia.....

 

[Shags101]

NY Times topmost story right now!! Note, I had posted a video of JD Vance in Megyn Kelly show two days ago where he went after the Israel Firsters and here he is again!!

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/06/18/world/iran-war-trump-us-deal/heres-the-latest?smid=url-share

Vice President JD Vance on Thursday delivered an extraordinarily direct rebuke to Israeli critics of the U.S.-Iran peace agreement, as he sought to defend the preliminary deal with repeated misrepresentations of some of its terms.

“Donald J. Trump is the only head of state in the entire world who is sympathetic to the nation of Israel at this moment in time,” Mr. Vance said. He added, “If I was in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not be attacking the only powerful ally that I have anywhere left in the entire world.”

The agreement has faced mounting criticism from Israeli lawmakers, as well as some Republicans in Washington, who argue that it gives Iran economic relief while punting negotiations on its nuclear program down the road.

I think trump is doing a watch and see approach he won’t totally bash Bibi and his cronies he will wait to see if his supporters approve or disapprove of Vance statements if they approve he triple down on Vance’s comments but all depends on if they’re willing to dump aipac

 

[BananaRepublic]

NY Times topmost story right now!! Note, I had posted a video of JD Vance in Megyn Kelly show two days ago where he went after the Israel Firsters and here he is again!!

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/06/18/world/iran-war-trump-us-deal/heres-the-latest?smid=url-share

Vice President JD Vance on Thursday delivered an extraordinarily direct rebuke to Israeli critics of the U.S.-Iran peace agreement, as he sought to defend the preliminary deal with repeated misrepresentations of some of its terms.

“Donald J. Trump is the only head of state in the entire world who is sympathetic to the nation of Israel at this moment in time,” Mr. Vance said. He added, “If I was in the cabinet of the Israeli government, I might not be attacking the only powerful ally that I have anywhere left in the entire world.”

The agreement has faced mounting criticism from Israeli lawmakers, as well as some Republicans in Washington, who argue that it gives Iran economic relief while punting negotiations on its nuclear program down the road.

Don’t trust Vance.

He is a pure chameleon.

If the votes were there he wouldn’t hesitate to wage wars.

 

[Yasser76]

See my post above.

Sure, but I have always said Iran Air was quality, i can put the same prompt in about PIA and get a very similar result, in fact probably a better result, the issue is some posters now claiming Iran Air was top level globally. Simply not the case. 38 destinations is not true global coverage, even for back then

 

[BananaRepublic]

I think trump is doing a watch and see approach he won’t totally bash Bibi and his cronies he will wait to see if his supporters approve or disapprove of Vance statements if they approve he triple down on Vance’s comments but all depends on if they’re willing to dump aipac

The only thing that ties MAGA together is white grievance.

Everything and everyone else is pure transactional.

Don’t make the mistake of trusting them.

 

[Master Chief]

some Republicans

Same garbage being spewed on English news stations.

When will they start declaring these "some Republicans" as "AIPAC funded Republicans"?

 

[Yasser76]

Google the same question abut PIA instead of posting childish arguments.


How did PIA compare with the world's top airlines in the 1970s in terms of service, comfort, and reliability?

In the 1970s, Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) was widely considered a premier, world-class carrier, boasting a reputation and operational standard comparable to today’s luxury airlines. It set industry benchmarks rather than just following them. [1, 2, 3]

Service

• Trendsetting Hospitality: PIA was celebrated for its lavish in-flight hospitality, featuring cultural immersion, gourmet meals, and highly trained cabin crew.
• Innovations: The airline was a pioneer in introducing in-flight entertainment systems long before many of its western counterparts.
• Global Reputation: Its exceptional charm and elegance were famously praised by international jet-setters and dignitaries. [1, 2]

Comfort

• Modern Fleet: PIA boasted a highly modern and state-of-the-art fleet. They were the first Asian airline to commercially operate the iconic Boeing 707 and actively flew wide-body aircraft like the Douglas DC-10-30 on key international routes. [1, 2, 3]
• Global Reach: Because restricted airspace over Russia and China forced long-haul carriers to make technical stops, Karachi Airport operated as a bustling, cosmopolitan hub for passengers traveling east and west. [1]

Reliability

• Industry Experts: During this golden era, PIA was highly reliable and operationally proficient. In fact, the airline was so highly regarded that it was tapped to provide technical, operational, and pilot training assistance to emerging carriers, playing a foundational role in the early development of Emirates. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Thanks, my exact point earlier, if one is claiming Iran Air was high end back then, PIA was even better, but even I am not claiming PIA was world leading

 

[Yasser76]

AI slop. It doesn't address any of the things I said, neither does it back up any of his claims.

Hang on, you were complimenting this "AI Slop" when it was complimentary about Iran Air. Guess your position changes on ChatGPT depending on if it agrees with you or not

 

[Ali_Baba]

So far since the MoU fiasco we haven't heard at all of the final boss of traitors, Reza Pahlavi

No information as to whether he will be deported to Iran in the final deal or not

I am sure you will update all here, when something changes on that front !

 

[BananaRepublic]

Trump realizes he can’t win the war. Putin knows he can’t win the war. having overwhelming firepower is too little win if the opponents are military capable and willing to fight until death.

By Jove!

He finally gets it!

That’s why we called the war outcome very early.

Whilst you wanted to wait and see

USA cannot win because Muslims aren’t turning on each other.

Russia cannot win because Western Europeans will prop up Ukraine forever.

 

[Yasser76]

View attachment 202207

It's the same question asked from the same AI about PIA that @AZ_HighCountry had asked about Iran Air, the same "comprehensive post" you were touting. And it has sources.

Your questions are idiotic. PIA has fallen, that's the answer. But then, Iran Air has fallen further. PIA did fly direct to New York. Everything can be easily googled, you petulant child.

Yeah, genuinely hard to think if it is worth wasting our time. Pay a compliment to Iran Air's past and how it can transform for the future and then end up debating with some clown about how it was not the greatest ever airline 50 years ago.....

 

[VCheng]

So far since the MoU fiasco we haven't heard at all of the final boss of traitors, Reza Pahlavi

No information as to whether he will be deported to Iran in the final deal or not

If there is something Iran can offer for getting him deported back to Iran, then please feel free to do so. I am sure it can work if suitable enough. That is the good thing about such negotiations.

 

[Yasser76]

Alright kids, let's gather 'round. Grandpa AZ has something to share.

I tried to be neutral in how the following question was asked of ChatGPT:

In the 1970s, how did Iran Air compare with Pakistan International airlines in terms of service, quality, and reliability?

A reasonably fair and neutral question, right?

Answer:

In the 1970s, both Iran Air and Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) were considered strong, internationally competitive flag carriers, but they had different strengths and slightly different global reputations.
A good way to compare them is across service, comfort, and reliability in that era.

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1. Overall global standing (1970s context)​

Iran Air​

• Rapidly rising “modernization success story”
• Often described as one of the fastest-growing and best-managed airlines globally in the 1970s
• By the mid–late 1970s:
  • Among the safest airlines in the world (top tier alongside Qantas)
  • Highly profitable and professionally run

PIA​

• Already a prestige carrier in the 1960s and early 1970s
• Known as an innovator in passenger service
  • Early adopter of long-haul jets and widebodies
  • Strong international presence (Europe, North America, Asia)
• Reputation peaked slightly earlier than Iran Air’s “golden era”

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2. Reliability (punctuality, safety, operational consistency)​

Iran Air (stronger in the late 1970s)​

• Extremely strong safety record (among the best globally)
• Highly centralized, professionally managed under Ali-Mohammad Khademi
• Considered very reliable operationally for long-haul routes
• Ranked near the top globally in safety metrics of the era

PIA (strong but more variable)​

• Also had a solid safety and operational record in the 1970s
• Known for pioneering long-haul operations (e.g., early 747 use, long-range routes)
• However:
  • More exposure to political and organizational fluctuations
  • Slightly less consistent operational discipline compared with Iran Air’s peak-era management style

Verdict (reliability):

• Slight edge → Iran Air (late 1970s)
• But both were well above global average

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3. Service quality (cabin experience, hospitality, consistency)​

PIA (generally stronger in “passenger experience” reputation)​

PIA in its peak era was famous for:

• Strong hospitality culture
• Early innovations in passenger service (often credited with pioneering in-flight entertainment concepts in the region)
• A “friendly, warm” service reputation that stood out internationally

Iran Air​

• More formal, standardized service style
• High-quality catering (especially Persian cuisine on international routes)
• But less globally known for “luxury service personality”
• Crew professionalism high, but not as “iconic” as Gulf-style hospitality that came later

Verdict (service):

• Slight edge → PIA
• Iran Air = more formal excellence
• PIA = more memorable hospitality experience

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4. Comfort and fleet quality​

Iran Air (late 1970s advantage in modernization)​

• Very modern fleet for the time:
  • Boeing 747 variants
  • Airbus A300 (introduced late 1970s)
  • Long-haul nonstop capability (e.g., Tehran–New York)
• Designed as a hub-style global connector airline

PIA​

• Also modern and prestigious:
  • Early Boeing 747 operator
  • DC-10 and widebody long-haul capability
• Strong long-range network for its size

Verdict (comfort/fleet):

• Slight edge → Iran Air (late 1970s modernization wave)
• But both were top-tier globally at the time

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5. Direct comparison summary​

Category	Iran Air (1970s)	PIA (1970s)
Safety / reliability	Very high (top global tier)	High
Operational consistency	Strong, highly structured	Strong but more variable
Passenger service	Formal, high quality	More personable, highly regarded
Fleet modernity (late 70s)	Very strong (A300, 747SP, etc.)	Strong (747, DC-10)
Global reputation peak	Late 1970s	Early–mid 1970s

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Final takeaway​

In the 1970s:

• Iran Air = more professionally run, highly reliable, and rapidly modernizing toward global hub-carrier status
• PIA = more service-oriented, innovative in passenger experience, and already globally respected earlier in the decade

Simple way to remember it:​

• Iran Air = operational excellence + rapid modernization
• PIA = hospitality + early global prestige + innovation in passenger experience

Sure, now do Iran Air v Pan Am as our little guest was ranting about. I conceded PIA and Iran AIr had little or no different, guy was going on about "No we are better then Pan Am".....

 

[UndercoverJIX]

What is the source claiming these arrangements?

You just wait and see na man, why getting workedup.......stop being a mian mitto meray payaray bhai..

Let others discuss.... and you, please follow your own advice.....wait and see what happens.

If we just wait and see, then there will be no thinking, planning, strategy, discussion, debate.......we will be only commenting on the past events..... which will be useless....same like majority of your posts.

So, please stop repeating yourself over and over, normal people dont do that.

I hope, I did not offend you or sound disrespectful..... was not the intention....I apologize for any and everything.