Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[VCheng]

How is a foreign policy defined by the Quran? What are its exact tenets? How has Iran implemented them?

To say anything to the contrary invites banishment, most likely. Therefore, I must accept that the foreign policy of Iran is defined by Islam and the Quran.

 

[Shags101]

To say anything to the contrary invites banishment, most likely. Therefore, I must accept that the foreign policy of Iran is defined by Islam and the Quran.

I’ wasn’t going to go there and honestly I’m not the most religious person but it seems like you have opened a can of worms because you have an extremely negative view of Iran right or wrong that your opinion to be had but with such an extreme negative view that means you have an extreme negative view of Islam I mean trump and his cronies love to pretend they are Christian followers they’re not by the way that would be an insult to Christianity Bibi pretends to be a follower of the Jewish faith he’s not but should people have an extreme negative view of any of these 3 religions because you believe Islam says kill all and conquer(that’s what your thinking) better off staying away from religion altogether

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[Meengla]

How credible was Trump saying 'only 4 weeks of oil reserves' left? Was he referring to America or across many countries? And what about his referring to President Herbert Hoover's Great Depression? Was he making a strong, scary case to justify the MOU for domestic audience or there was truth in such statements by Trump?

 

[krash]

To say anything to the contrary invites banishment, most likely. Therefore, I must accept that the foreign policy of Iran is defined by Islam and the Quran.

Say we must, to our own.

 

[VCheng]

Say we must, to our own.

Nah man, I let people believe what they must, for it matters not to me.

 

[VCheng]

I’ wasn’t going to go there and honestly I’m not the most religious person but it seems like you have opened a can of worms because you have an extremely negative view of Iran right or wrong that your opinion to be had but with such an extreme negative view that means you have an extreme negative view of Islam I mean trump and his cronies love to pretend they are Christian followers they’re not by the way that would be an insult to Christianity Bibi pretends to be a follower of the Jewish faith he’s not but should people have an extreme negative view of any of these 3 religions because you believe Islam says kill all and conquer(that’s what your thinking) better off staying away from religion altogether

Luckily, international geopolitics is never affected by personal beliefs such as religion, therefore your rant remains ad hominem and nothing to do with the actual topic.

Let me however state categorically that Iran foreign policy is driven according to the same geopolitical principles as anyone else's, 100%.

 

[RocketLaw]

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[Meengla]

Nicholas Kristof is one of the finest American journalists. He used to criticize Israel but very carefully in his NY Times columns. But this war on Iran has opened a floodgates of pent up charges against Israel.
I started to watch this but stopped after minute 7. Felt nauseated that Israelis had trained dogs to rape Palestinian prisoners. OMG!!

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[Hassan Al-Somal]

"The US remembers now that the Gulf Countries are strategic partners but ignored this fact when it has responded to Israel's wishes to start a war on Iran, knowing that the Arab countries will be hit.

Now that the US wants another way to bypass the Iranian waters so it can free its hands and start another war on Iran and give a free hand to Israel, @marcorubio is visiting and praising the Gulf leaders to restore the damage and plan for the future."

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It looks like the next attack on Iran will come from bases in Kenya and "Somaliland" (Somalia's breakaway region). The Epstein coalition is deploying massive resources there. Satanyahu made it very clear today that he is not withdrawing from Lebanon and promised "Iran will not have nuclear weapons", meaning they will use that as an excuse to attack Iran.

Trump is useless and don't have enough backbone to withstand the pressure coming from "Israeli firsters".

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[Shags101]

Luckily, international geopolitics is never affected by personal beliefs such as religion, therefore your rant remains ad hominem and nothing to do with the actual topic.

Let me however state categorically that Iran foreign policy is driven according to the same geopolitical principles as anyone else's, 100%.

Okay ……moving on

 

[Flotilla]

Nicholas Kristof is one of the finest American journalists. He used to criticize Israel but very carefully in his NY Times columns. But this war on Iran has opened a floodgates of pent up charges against Israel.
I started to watch this but stopped after minute 7. Felt nauseated that Israelis had trained dogs to rape Palestinian prisoners. OMG!!

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Yes, they did.
And do you know why they did it?.
Because in Islam, dogs are "impure", and because of it. They think that for humiliating more the detained (remember most of they are even judged) they train dogs to rape muslims...
Something that they would never do with christians.
That nation is a cáncer.

 

[ShapurII]

I don’t agree with this.

On Hormuz, the fact that oil did not hit $200 a barrel does not mean the card has lost its potency. Even in this round, prices still went close to $120, and much of the reporting at the time was that this was being cushioned by reserves and short-term buffers. The real question is what happens if the closure/blockade is prolonged, not whether the market instantly goes into total panic in a short window.

Same with Hezbollah/Houthis. The fact that they were not activated in this phase does not make them useless in an escalated conflict. These groups are not activated mechanically every single time there is a clash. Hezbollah largely sat out the 12-day war, but engaged Israel later. Iran also indicated that Bab al-Mandab could be brought into play if Israel escalated further. So I don’t accept “they didn’t activate in this phase” as proof that Iran has no regional escalation options left.

Iran taking the bigger hit actually supports my point about why the deal can still skew in Iran’s favor. Of course Iran has a stronger incentive to take reconstruction money, sanctions relief and reintegration after suffering heavier economic and infrastructure damage. But that is not the same thing as saying the bargain favors the US. The real question is what Iran is giving up in return. If Iran absorbs the heavier damage, then secures reconstruction and global reintegration, while still not surrendering the core pillars the US/Israel actually wanted to neutralize — its broader missile deterrent, regional leverage, and escalation capacity — then the heavier damage does not prove a US win at all. It simply explains why Iran would take a deal that still ends up being strategically favorable to it relative to the alternatives.

Blah blah blah, escalated conflict, blah blah blah.

What escalated conflict do you expect then? They literally killed Iran's Supreme Leader on the first day of war, said they would overthrow our system, planned a separatist incursion into Iran by arming the Kurds and tried to choke us by imposing a naval blockade on imports/exports. But that doesn't seem like an escalated conflict to you? Hilarious.

Hezbollah engaged Israel this time only because it knew the timer has started its tic-toc. They didn't do so in the 12-day conflict because they didn't feel an existential threat.

And I lost IQ points reading your last paragraph to be honest. They don't give you money because you've taken the bigger hit. They give you money because you can get it. How do you guys come up with such ideas is beyond me.

 

[PakistanLVR]

How so? The results speak for themselves. Syria, Yemen, Libya, to name a few. I am open to changing my mind if you can provide empirical evidence.



How is a foreign policy defined by the Quran? What are its exact tenets? How has Iran implemented them?

What other options did Iran have? Iraq, Syria, and Libya all stood their ground. Every country does when it comes down to existential threats. Iranian policies of the previous 4 decades led them there, which they also seem to have realized. I've discussed this at length here before.



I was pointing towards Iran's bonhomie with India despite its continued atrocities in Kashmir to contest the claim of "Shias have always come to the aid of their fellow Muslims". There's plenty of other examples throughout history.


People in groups overwhelmingly tend to their own group's interests. Any spillover is usually owing to chance alignment of interests. Always has been, always will be. The formation of nation-states has decoupled people's interests from every other grouping; political, religious, ethnic, and sectarian. They are now exclusively dictated through one's country. Not so much the emotions of Pakistanis, which are still governed by these archaic allegiances. So, with confused senses of belonging we still divide ourselves in different groups within the same nation.

I don’t want to derail this thread but love to continue this in another thread.
My post was meant to discuss post WW2 world middle Eastern history.