Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[krash]

To say anything to the contrary invites banishment, most likely. Therefore, I must accept that the foreign policy of Iran is defined by Islam and the Quran.

Say we must, to our own.

 

[VCheng]

Say we must, to our own.

Nah man, I let people believe what they must, for it matters not to me.

 

[VCheng]

I’ wasn’t going to go there and honestly I’m not the most religious person but it seems like you have opened a can of worms because you have an extremely negative view of Iran right or wrong that your opinion to be had but with such an extreme negative view that means you have an extreme negative view of Islam I mean trump and his cronies love to pretend they are Christian followers they’re not by the way that would be an insult to Christianity Bibi pretends to be a follower of the Jewish faith he’s not but should people have an extreme negative view of any of these 3 religions because you believe Islam says kill all and conquer(that’s what your thinking) better off staying away from religion altogether

Luckily, international geopolitics is never affected by personal beliefs such as religion, therefore your rant remains ad hominem and nothing to do with the actual topic.

Let me however state categorically that Iran foreign policy is driven according to the same geopolitical principles as anyone else's, 100%.

 

[RocketLaw]

 

[Meengla]

Nicholas Kristof is one of the finest American journalists. He used to criticize Israel but very carefully in his NY Times columns. But this war on Iran has opened a floodgates of pent up charges against Israel.
I started to watch this but stopped after minute 7. Felt nauseated that Israelis had trained dogs to rape Palestinian prisoners. OMG!!

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

"The US remembers now that the Gulf Countries are strategic partners but ignored this fact when it has responded to Israel's wishes to start a war on Iran, knowing that the Arab countries will be hit.

Now that the US wants another way to bypass the Iranian waters so it can free its hands and start another war on Iran and give a free hand to Israel, @marcorubio is visiting and praising the Gulf leaders to restore the damage and plan for the future."




It looks like the next attack on Iran will come from bases in Kenya and "Somaliland" (Somalia's breakaway region). The Epstein coalition is deploying massive resources there. Satanyahu made it very clear today that he is not withdrawing from Lebanon and promised "Iran will not have nuclear weapons", meaning they will use that as an excuse to attack Iran.

Trump is useless and don't have enough backbone to withstand the pressure coming from "Israeli firsters".

 

[Shags101]

Luckily, international geopolitics is never affected by personal beliefs such as religion, therefore your rant remains ad hominem and nothing to do with the actual topic.

Let me however state categorically that Iran foreign policy is driven according to the same geopolitical principles as anyone else's, 100%.

Okay ……moving on

 

[Flotilla]

Nicholas Kristof is one of the finest American journalists. He used to criticize Israel but very carefully in his NY Times columns. But this war on Iran has opened a floodgates of pent up charges against Israel.
I started to watch this but stopped after minute 7. Felt nauseated that Israelis had trained dogs to rape Palestinian prisoners. OMG!!

Yes, they did.
And do you know why they did it?.
Because in Islam, dogs are "impure", and because of it. They think that for humiliating more the detained (remember most of they are even judged) they train dogs to rape muslims...
Something that they would never do with christians.
That nation is a cáncer.

 

[ShapurII]

I don’t agree with this.

On Hormuz, the fact that oil did not hit $200 a barrel does not mean the card has lost its potency. Even in this round, prices still went close to $120, and much of the reporting at the time was that this was being cushioned by reserves and short-term buffers. The real question is what happens if the closure/blockade is prolonged, not whether the market instantly goes into total panic in a short window.

Same with Hezbollah/Houthis. The fact that they were not activated in this phase does not make them useless in an escalated conflict. These groups are not activated mechanically every single time there is a clash. Hezbollah largely sat out the 12-day war, but engaged Israel later. Iran also indicated that Bab al-Mandab could be brought into play if Israel escalated further. So I don’t accept “they didn’t activate in this phase” as proof that Iran has no regional escalation options left.

Iran taking the bigger hit actually supports my point about why the deal can still skew in Iran’s favor. Of course Iran has a stronger incentive to take reconstruction money, sanctions relief and reintegration after suffering heavier economic and infrastructure damage. But that is not the same thing as saying the bargain favors the US. The real question is what Iran is giving up in return. If Iran absorbs the heavier damage, then secures reconstruction and global reintegration, while still not surrendering the core pillars the US/Israel actually wanted to neutralize — its broader missile deterrent, regional leverage, and escalation capacity — then the heavier damage does not prove a US win at all. It simply explains why Iran would take a deal that still ends up being strategically favorable to it relative to the alternatives.

Blah blah blah, escalated conflict, blah blah blah.

What escalated conflict do you expect then? They literally killed Iran's Supreme Leader on the first day of war, said they would overthrow our system, planned a separatist incursion into Iran by arming the Kurds and tried to choke us by imposing a naval blockade on imports/exports. But that doesn't seem like an escalated conflict to you? Hilarious.

Hezbollah engaged Israel this time only because it knew the timer has started its tic-toc. They didn't do so in the 12-day conflict because they didn't feel an existential threat.

And I lost IQ points reading your last paragraph to be honest. They don't give you money because you've taken the bigger hit. They give you money because you can get it. How do you guys come up with such ideas is beyond me.

 

[PakistanLVR]

How so? The results speak for themselves. Syria, Yemen, Libya, to name a few. I am open to changing my mind if you can provide empirical evidence.



How is a foreign policy defined by the Quran? What are its exact tenets? How has Iran implemented them?

What other options did Iran have? Iraq, Syria, and Libya all stood their ground. Every country does when it comes down to existential threats. Iranian policies of the previous 4 decades led them there, which they also seem to have realized. I've discussed this at length here before.



I was pointing towards Iran's bonhomie with India despite its continued atrocities in Kashmir to contest the claim of "Shias have always come to the aid of their fellow Muslims". There's plenty of other examples throughout history.


People in groups overwhelmingly tend to their own group's interests. Any spillover is usually owing to chance alignment of interests. Always has been, always will be. The formation of nation-states has decoupled people's interests from every other grouping; political, religious, ethnic, and sectarian. They are now exclusively dictated through one's country. Not so much the emotions of Pakistanis, which are still governed by these archaic allegiances. So, with confused senses of belonging we still divide ourselves in different groups within the same nation.

I don’t want to derail this thread but love to continue this in another thread.
My post was meant to discuss post WW2 world middle Eastern history.

 

[ShapurII]

@ShapurII

You are completely wrong on the replenishment point. The question is not whether the US has a larger economy than Iran. The question is whether the US/Israel can replenish expensive missile interceptors faster and more sustainably than Iran can replenish drones and ballistic missiles.

Missile interceptors take a long time and huge amounts of money to bring into operation. Only a relatively limited number can be produced and fielded each year. Iran’s drones, by contrast, are cheap and quick to produce, and Iran’s ballistic missile program has been active since at least the 1990s. That means Iran has far greater depth in ballistic missile inventory than Israel has in interceptors, and the turnaround time for replenishing offensive systems is much faster than replenishing high-end defensive systems.

This is why the interceptor depletion point matters so much. OSINT assessments indicated that US and Israeli interceptor stocks had reached critically low levels around the time of the ceasefire, while Iran still retained the majority of its ballistic missile reserves. So it is not enough to say “the US can ramp up production.” That completely misses the cost, time, and attrition asymmetry at the heart of this conflict.

Read what I wrote again, you are hallucinating again. I don't know if you're using an LLM or not, but either you are not capable of reading what has been written by others, or you're just copying and pasting your own nonsense without context.

Iran ramped up its solid ballistic missile production from 50 per month to 300 per month. Some sources even claim 700 missiles were produced prior to the war. If Iran with its basic technology and industrial capacity can do that, the US can do way better.

We have hard proof, evidence beyond reasonable doubt, that 9 months after the 12-day war, the Israeli AD performed as well as it did during TP1. Even in our last attack on Israel to enforce a red line on bombing Beirut, the Israeli AD managed to shoot down most of our missiles. If anything, Iran has never been able to replicate the same number of missiles launched in one day as in TP1. So, this whole idea that Iran can overmatch both Israel and the US has not been proven to be true yet.

 

[unconventional]

@ShapurII

You are clearly arguing emotionally for the sake of arguing. You have not provided any rebuttals to any of my points, sidestepping; moving goalposts and not being to provide objective statements; whereas I engaged with your posts directly and rebutted them giving concrete and verifiable facts and counterpoints.

I see you have no counter for the remaining stockpile of ballistic missiles for Iran vs interceptors for the US/Israel. The production of Iranian missiles (monthly rate) was the only objective statement you provided, the rest of your posts are pure emotional conjecture.

 

[VCheng]

So, this whole idea that Iran can overmatch both Israel and the US has not been proven to be true yet.

And yet, we are forced to accept that Iran has already won, and therefore we must accept its victory right now.

 

[VCheng]

The US seriously lacks a cheap solution to a cheap but very plentiful problem.

USA has never worked that way.

I am reminded of spending a huge amount to develop a zero gravity pen for the astronauts, while Russian just used pencils, back in the day. Similarly, we will now produce million dollar missiles to shoot down thousand dollar drones.

US taxpayers FTW!

 

[unconventional]

And yet, we are forced to accept that Iran has already won, and therefore we must accept its victory right now.

No one is forcing you, you are free to believe anything you want.

But it is clear to everyone impartial who won this, and it’s reflected in the analyses of most international observers; and reflected even in the terms of the MOU.

We have to remember, the only concession Iran had to give in the (documented) MOU was opening up the straits, the rest were all concessions by the US. There was no mention of Iran’s nuclear program/assets.