Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Flotilla]

In other words, any such declarations of victory are as provisional as the MoU itself without a final settlement.

I agree.

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@Musings ^^^This is how the smaarutt peoples say "wait and see" without saying "wait and see".

I don't agree.
If just 10 US soldiers leave Persian Gulf, Irán won the war.
Please don't forget your verbal diarrea. We're eager to know your indispensable oppinion.

 

[Master Chief]

In other words, any such declarations of victory are as provisional as the MoU itself without a final settlement.

I agree.

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@Musings ^^^This is how the smaarutt peoples say "wait and see" without saying "wait and see".

You said "wait and see"!....Twice!

 

[TAC]

In other words, any such declarations of victory are as provisional as the MoU itself without a final settlement.

I agree.

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@Musings ^^^This is how the smaarutt peoples say "wait and see" without saying "wait and see".

U still on this ‘wait and see’ mantra, while Trumps butt has been battered red raw, forcing him to sign humiliating terms of the MOU which even in the best case scenario give nothing more to the US than what they had under the Obama Accord.

 

[TAC]

You said "wait and see"!....Twice!

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If he says it often enough, maybe it will come true.

 

[Master Chief]

In other words, any such declarations of victory are as provisional as the MoU itself without a final settlement.

I agree.

We do actually agree on the first part of your statement.

What we probably don't agree on is that even to reach the point where this MoU exists or was even dreamt up, let alone is formally on the table, is a victory in and of itself for Iran. Iran was not given a chance at survival from day 1. Iran was supposed to yield unconditional surrender. Yet, survive they did and draft MoU's they also did.

This is what annoyed Senator Bill Cassidy et al. Iran was never supposed to even reach this position.

Several attempts at military domination must have been attempted and thwarted. We know fragments of what happened - the failure of the Kurdish insurrection, the failure of the Pahlavist street war, the failed efforts at airspace dominance, the failure of regime change, the failure to militarily secure The Strait of Hormuz, the possibility of a failed SpecOps raid at Esfahan. The true full facts of these failures will naturally be suppressed by USA but there is enough to reasonably assume, on balance of probabilities, that something must have gone awry from USA's initial plans that they are now forced to even entertain this particular MoU.

 

[Musings]

@Musings ^^^This is how the smaarutt peoples say "wait and see" without saying "wait and see".

I think you you will find hes having a laugh with you

 

[925boy]

You create leverage to use it, not create leverage endlessly for the sake of just creating leverage. Do you realize the possibility that the US and Iran could be on the road for rapprochement and what a strategic setback for Israel that could be ?

Why would it be a setback for Israel when US would only have a rapprochement with an Iran that is unable and unwilling to threaten Israel regional hegemony?

A US that has excellent or good enough relations with Turkey, GCC, Pakistan and Iran in the Mideast has no use for Israel or India.

Good relations or good control over? so far and unfortunately ,US doesn't have good relations with any non white country unless they are subservient or never challenge US in any serious or relevant ways. Respectfully !

 

[tsunset]

Iran didn't just survive a war against the US

They survived a global crusade and religious invasion

 

[tsunset]

Time for PGCC to blow up

 

[pakistanitarzan]

Time for PGCC to blow up

What the hell kind of ceasefire is this?

 

[Immortals]

“Time and place of our choosing”

Sounds like the disastrous strategic patience by Iran. They trusted Oman too much and got backstabbed. Once the U.S. threatened the “sultan” of Oman if he cooperated with Iran then Oman quickly bowed and sided with the Persian Gulf Arabs and the West.

 

[ShapurII]

@ShapurII

You are clearly arguing emotionally for the sake of arguing. You have not provided any rebuttals to any of my points, sidestepping; moving goalposts and not being to provide objective statements; whereas I engaged with your posts directly and rebutted them giving concrete and verifiable facts and counterpoints.

I see you have no counter for the remaining stockpile of ballistic missiles for Iran vs interceptors for the US/Israel. The production of Iranian missiles (monthly rate) was the only objective statement you provided, the rest of your posts are pure emotional conjecture.

You have no points. You're shitposting. Low quality posts with literally no substance, posting irrelevant arguments.

My post went over your head, obviously.

By the way, such a tremendous victory, according to you fools.
Such a victory that the US constantly and regularly bombs us during a ceasefire, threatens to kidnap and assassinate our negotiators, and hasn't paid a single penny to Iran yet.

 

[Immortals]

 

[ShapurII]

Iran should allow Oman to grant passage papers when the Strait is open. Have the papers be Omani-Iranian Co-operation Passage Papers. This would get acceptance of control over Hormuz and give a way to get passage without Iranian clearance.

Getting Oman involved in the Strait of Hormuz is a mistake.

 

[ShapurII]

US announces framework agreement between Israel and Lebanon. Al jazeera

And from what is reported in the media, it's not good for Iran at all.