Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BHAN85]

Iran should NOT accept ANY ceasefire next time and push until whole GCC and west collapse + build the nukes ASAP

Why? It's good for Iran get money from USA trolls.

Anyway Iran can't never achieve effective deterrence because USA mainland is too far, and the current USA ruling elite seems to dont give a fck about Israel or GCC vassals.

Iran should exploit those USA backstabbings to allies.

 

[BonPlan]

Iran should NOT accept ANY ceasefire next time and push until whole GCC and west collapse + build the nukes ASAP

badly engaged.
Hopefully for Iran Trump changed of idea every day and initiate a war without well define ojective, and too late so as to obtain the population support.
A leader as Reagan or Bush the father would have finished the job.

 

[Immortals]

@Persian Gulf
@ShapurII

 

[BHAN85]

"POTUS has committed the U.S. to muzzling its pets in Tel Aviv. If they ignore their master, Iran will school them." Araghchi

Meanwhile Israeli rabid dog

It's to notice how a Iranian high ranking sees clearly the real picture, contrary to USA mainstream bullshit in x/forums: Israel is the useful idiots of USA, the pet of his American master.

 

[Professor Jiang]

It's to notice how a Iranian high ranking sees clearly the real picture, contrary to USA mainstream bullshit in x/forums: Israel is the useful idiots of USA, the pet of his American master.

If this were true though, what would be the point in AIPAC and any number of the Israeli mega-donors?

I think this perception among some Iranians that Israel is only doing America's bidding dates back to Nasrallah's conversation with Chomsky on the issue, where the latter was able to convince him that it was the US controlling Israel and not vice-versa.

 

[BHAN85]

If this were true though, what would be the point in AIPAC and any number of the Israeli mega-donors?

I think this perception among some Iranians that Israel is only doing America's bidding dates back to Nasrallah's conversation with Chomsky on the issue, where the latter was able to convince him that it was the US controlling Israel and not vice-versa.

Araghchi must have access to best information sources than any forum/x user.

And of course those information sources are Iran intel services, it's not Chomsky, the Epstein friend, more Made in USA bullshit.

AIPAC are in USA, they dont live in Israel. They have own interests, they are not the saviors of Israel.

 

[Arash]

badly engaged.
Hopefully for Iran Trump changed of idea every day and initiate a war without well define ojective, and too late so as to obtain the population support.
A leader as Reagan or Bush the father would have finished the job.

Bush father and son have both failed in middle east... very bad examples... La guerre va pas aider les U.S. d'avantage... ils sont pas partis pour gagner...

 

[Meengla]

If this were true though, what would be the point in AIPAC and any number of the Israeli mega-donors?
I think this perception among some Iranians that Israel is only doing America's bidding dates back to Nasrallah's conversation with Chomsky on the issue, where the latter was able to convince him that it was the US controlling Israel and not vice-versa.

It has/had been a symbiotic relationship. No doubt, Israel served some regional American goals for decades. But with the Fall of the Soviet Union, Israel's importance had greatly diminished. Americans wanted to have a dominant Israel after 1991 but not a rabid dog. Attempts like the Oslo Accords in the 90s, not long after the Soviets fell, were not coincidence: They reflected America's desire to largely disengage from the region to concentrate on other regions of the world. But, of course, Israelis are too Messianic and too expansionist to control themselves.
There had been many reasons for the Americans to support Israel but always far fewer reasons for the Americans to be dragged into Israel's expansionist and Messianic goals.

 

[Professor Jiang]

Araghchi must have access to best information sources than any forum/x user.

And of course those information sources are Iran intel services, it's not Chomsky, the Epstein friend, more Made in USA bullshit.

AIPAC are in USA, they dont live in Israel. They have own interests, they are not the saviors of Israel.

I think you're taking Araqchi too literally here. He's publicly embarassing the Americans more than he is saying anything based in any top secret information or whatever. By challenging the Americans to reign in the Israelis, he is both calling the Israelis small fry and daring Trump to put them in line. This does not mean that IRGC or whoever genuinely thinks the Israelis exist only as a proxy for the Americans.

I think Mearsheimer and Walt have a much more modern and relevant view of Israel.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The war will start again obviously. They are now openly saying what the plan is

That is funny. Forked tongues were apparent all along. They just wanted the world to start feigning in unison.
Lebanon is facing annihilation... and the worst case scenario is that all it's Christian populations emigrate while the state in name only... with reduced borders is reduced to small fiefs. Similar scenario is faced by both Syria and Iraq however to a slightly lesser degree. Zion considers Turkiye as unreliable and fears a direct confrontation. Orange will wreck fhe economy, his fate worse then Hoover... and his messes left for upcoming administrations to undo and unwind.

 

[Professor Jiang]

It has/had been a symbiotic relationship. No doubt, Israel served some regional American goals for decades. But with the Fall of the Soviet Union, Israel's importance had greatly diminished. Americans wanted to have a dominant Israel after 1991 but not a rabid dog. Attempts like the Oslo Accords in the 90s, not long after the Soviets fell, were not coincidence: They reflected America's desire to largely disengage from the region to concentrate on other regions of the world. But, of course, Israelis are too Messianic and too expansionist to control themselves.
There had been many reasons for the Americans to support Israel but always far fewer reasons for the Americans to be dragged into Israel's expansionist and Messianic goals.

Yes, absolutely agree that Israel once served a purpose for the Americans, but has now become essentially a parasite using it to do all of its dirty work.

 

[Flotilla]

Bush father and son have both failed in middle east... very bad examples... La guerre va pas aider les U.S. d'avantage... ils sont pas partis pour gagner...

I agree. Decline of US in Middle East started with pendular support to arab dictators and then israelis. Remember the glorious days of Reagan supporting Saddam Hussein...

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Also very limited pool of colluddz mercenaries left to pick from for Erik Prince and the like in Titan or Blackwaters too.

UAE/ Sawdi Judea et al. have used Colombian/ AL-Gurdish and Eastern EU/ Sudanese Death Squads, but they want $1000 per day combat duty fees/ contract.

It ain't cheap bhai, getting a small Spec-Ops army together, only to see it run into trouble and get decimated.

say brother, when we spoke (over those brick size Nokia phones) last time little over 20 years ago, you were in US of A.. what took you to Japan?

re your post , on topic, I guess Taliban might offer a better contract? they come dime a dozen and breed like rabbits despite indulging with boys and executing their women on regular basis. not that the fat Habibies need Indians as middlemen but they can show that these Afghans have large stock of willing fighters for much less money.

 

[tsunset]

Then what could Iran have done better? What did it do wrong?

Trump should have been eliminated

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

$300 million campaign contribution by Miriam Adelson

Pound of flesh... and it is and wasn't something stand alone. He's been propped up from his early days... everyone around him... his mentors and saviors have been zionists... business partners, donors, lawyers, in laws...

He didn't just blow up his whole plan for nothing... the big beautiful bill raised the debt ceiling to $41 trillion... by most estimates He's hitting $40 trillion later this year and as things look... perhaps $41 trillion itself. That after another $2 trillion deficit this year and another trillion in debt payments... the bond buyers themselves have hit a snag and cannot continue to buy more treasuries... crypto is going horizontal already and genius act needs stability and savings of Chinese to prop up as stable coin buyers.

Cubans are on slow burner waiting for their turn... while Canadians and Greenlanders found a reprieve because he got stuck in Iran... talk about ambition!
Right now he's caught in a trap that his ego cannot let go...