Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

All I can say on this is that if Pakistan did not have nuclear weapons, there would be many more bloody India-Pakistan conflicts with outcomes similar to that of the annexation of East Pakistan in 1971.

Yes, the nukes have prevented all out wars between India and Pakistan but do note that between 1971 and 1998, there was no overt India Pakistan war and that's because unlike in the East Pakistan, the West Pakistan / current Pakistan has never lost to India.
Anyway, it is off topic but not only you but some others above think that Pakistan's strength against India is because of the nukes.

 

[RescueRanger]

AES 256 is not white noise, it's well distinguishable binary digital modulated data, but unabled to unencrypt.

Brother, I have used this term to make it simple for people to understand on our forum, if you make things overly technical you lose your target audience. Interesting that this is the only thing you have feedback on.

Typical PDF posters, just nitpicking like old aunties and retired uncles.

 

[Kyussis]

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I wonder if they built this at the behest of the U.S to give Israel an easy target?

 

[RescueRanger]

Well, all things are pointing toward a negative trend.

 

[Meengla]

Let's not underestimate the impact of catastrophic regional war on the global economy and here is NY Times when $hit is yet to hit the fan.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/08/business/economy/imf-world-economy-inflation.html

The global economy is set to slow sharply in 2026 after the war with Iran disrupted energy supply chains and triggered a fresh bout of inflation, the International Monetary Fund warned on Wednesday.

The forecasts reflect the damaging toll from the decision by the United States and Israel to attack Iran this year. Those attacks spurred Iranian retaliation on energy infrastructure in the region, destabilizing a world economy that had already been rocked by the Covid-19 pandemic and Russia’s war in Ukraine.

Global output is poised to fall to 3 percent in 2026 from 3.5 percent last year, according to an update for the I.M.F.’s World Economic Outlook. That is slightly slower than the fund’s April projection of 3.1 percent growth, underscoring the protracted nature of the conflict.

The forecasts remain subject to considerable uncertainty. Attacks on tankers trying to transit the Strait of Hormuz this week have raised doubts about the durability of the recent cease-fire between the United States and Iran, and on Tuesday the United States rescinded a waiver on sanctions that would have allowed more Iranian oil to be sold on global markets.

 

[VCheng]

All I keep hearing is that Iran needs to make real concessions such as opening Hormuz and allowing ships to pass freely while the US just has to make vague promises of future negotiations because "anything is possible."

Nothing of the sort.

Those are merely negotiating tactics, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Flotilla]

Where does it say that in the MoU? This is #5:

"Article 5 | Immediately upon signing this MOU, Iran will make its best effort to ensure the safe passage of commercial vessels through the Strait of Hormuz from the Persian Gulf to the Arabian Sea and vice versa, free of charge, for only 60 days. Commercial vessel passage will begin immediately and will be implemented within 30 days, considering the need to remove technical and military obstacles and clear mines by Iran. Iran will engage in dialogue with Oman while consulting with other Persian Gulf littoral states, in accordance with applicable international law and the sovereign rights of the Strait of Hormuz littoral states, to define future management and maritime services of the Strait of Hormuz."

Exactly here;
Iran will engage in dialogue with Oman while consulting with other Persian Gulf littoral states, in accordance with applicable international law and the sovereign rights of the Strait of Hormuz littoral states, to define future management and maritime services of the Strait of Hormuz

Which dialogue has been between Oman and Iran about the "safe passage"???. They just escorted them by territorial waters, avoiding the control of Irán.

Moreover you must check international law. Article 22 of UNCLOS on his fourth point says

"4. The coastal State (IRAN) shall clearly indicate such sea lanes and traffic separation schemes on charts to which due publicity shall be given."

So no dialogue, no fullfilling of international law (UNCLOS also infringed) NO safe passage.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Oman shouldn't be given a free pass this time. They're responsible for the current mess. Hit them as hard as the Emirates and Qatar.

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Throwing Oman under the bus is the most convenient scapegoat. Oman has no say regardless. They cannot force US out. Generally they take the path of least resistance and no one should blame them for it. US is plowing through Omani waters as Oman doesn't exist and when told by Oman otherwise face bombing threats from none other than the orange-in-thief. And those ships in turn undermine the MoU the way Iran intends.

Suffice to say that this was in the making and Iran though being hard pressed to create a new normal, SHOULD NOT! The slight of hand or pulling the rabbit has been seen way too many times to be tolerated. Status quo doesn't exist and US is seeking to establish another one in a path of least resistance.

Orange couldn't protect zion and threw gulf statelets under the bus blatantly showing them their place. He knew that they are pressed for choice and China doesn't care... in fact all indications are that China wants a global reset. A oil crash that is inevitable if the inventories collapsed. The paper oil doesn't reflect the true price...the manipulators in action wouldn't want the reality to kick in at any point in time... Reserves helped cushion that blow... the problem with US shale is that it needs constant reinvestment. Fields generally dry up in one year... it remains the most expensive way ... to leverage market and fight wars.

 

[Starlord]

Regional economies going down, to bring down the global economy, with significant consequences for the American economy is not a small lever Iran has. Even Israel is not immune from economic shock if/when the Yemenis start choking the Red Sea route.

It is very difficult to say where will this war end. A 'frozen conflict' or a repeat of what was done to Saddam regime from early 90s, culminating in the 2003 war. It is hard for the West to lose the Middle East: I think in Trump's second term alone, he got 3 trillion Dollars worth of promised investment in weapons/trade from various Arab countries. And as long as Trump and Netanyahu sit in their respective offices as contemporaries leaders, nothing can be ruled out.

Again, with this mentality of if I go down, I will take everyone with me won't get you any friends, we know Trump is unpredictible but Bibi is as he is the one pushing for war, how long this pressure can hold the resumption of a full scale war is yet to be seen. But If i was Iran all my actions would be super calculated and think it through 1000 times. Every missile/Drone that fly towards a commerical ship or military target opens them to a further strikes, right now Israel is quite which is weird but i bet they are hoarding AD missiles and more bombs so when they war resumes they can intercept most of Iranian missiles.

 

[Magi]

I wonder if they built this at the behest of the U.S to give Israel an easy target?

Who designed and constructed this? Was it built using the annual US aid and by US companies?

 

[Flotilla]

Throwing Oman under the bus is the most convenient scapegoat. Oman has no say regardless. They cannot force US out. Generally they take the path of least resistance and no one should blame them for it. US is plowing through Omani waters as Oman doesn't exist and when told by Oman otherwise face bombing threats from none other than the orange-in-thief. And those ships in turn undermine the MoU the way Iran intends.

I agree Omanese probably have been forced by Trump and there are no bad intentions towards Irán.

So let do the dirty job to Sepah Navy.

They will deal with US.

Let´s see how much Trump wants to press to the bottom the gas pedal.

 

[RocketLaw]

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9 minutes ago

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Trump on Iran:

"I'm likely to direct a strong strike at them again tonight. I'll give them a simple warning. We'll hit them hard tonight.”

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Trump brazenly announcing he will attack Iran again tonight

Luckily for him IRI is the most reactive state in modern history and will just wait for the bombs to drop and Iranians to be killed before firing a few drones at empty air bases in Kuwait and Bahrain and promise that “next time” the response will be disproportionate and earth shattering

He's deliberately leveraging gulf and zionist infrastructure to attack civilians and civilian infrastructure in Iran. If power plants are fair game then zion goes out of power!

 

[Meengla]

Again, with this mentality of if I go down, I will take everyone with me won't get you any friends, we know Trump is unpredictible but Bibi is as he is the one pushing for war, how long this pressure can hold the resumption of a full scale war is yet to be seen. But If i was Iran all my actions would be super calculated and think it through 1000 times. Every missile/Drone that fly towards a commerical ship or military target opens them to a further strikes, right now Israel is quite which is weird but i bet they are hoarding AD missiles and more bombs so when they war resumes they can intercept most of Iranian missiles.

Trump is the most compromised of all American Presidents when it comes to Israel. Even Biden had stopped Netanyahu from launching a war on Iran when the Gaza war was raging. Plus Trump is unpredictable. His admirers give him much benefit of wisdom but they are cultists and will remain so until their own pocket books start to hurt badly.

Having said that, the economic levers Iran holds are not small. Even Trump had referred to not being another President Herbert Hoover--probably a rare admission of weakness by the bully.

As to the Iranian leadership--it may annoy some here but hard to put much confidence of judgement in a leadership which launched missiles on its only well wisher in the world: Pakistan.

 

[RescueRanger]

Not one but two USAF - SAM (Special Air Mission Flights) in Europe right now


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x2 P-8's now airborne. If P8's are flying that means they are supporting MQ9s.